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ram

There is an interesting lecture on C-SPAN2, Book TV by Jennifer Washburn, the author of University, Inc.: The Corporate Corruption of Higher Education. Has this work been cited earlier on this board? It sure sounds as if it is right on point.

anupe

A well placed source informed me that business school dean Doty is a now a finalist for Dean at another university. All I know is that it is a higher tier school.

already gone

Thanks to Reporter for the link to the Hattiesburg American story: USM Seeks Minority Professors Part of this story really caught my eye: Where did the numbe...

Miss Information

o, here we are together on Easter Day. Happy Easter dear friends from the Nom d’Aplomb Committee and a warm welcome to our new visitors. Our objective this week is to attempt a little light-hearted humor in the face of the many poignant serious messages cited by our colleagues in the Mr. W...

truth4usm/AH

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050328/OPINION01/503280317/1014

info

http://clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050327/NEWS01/503270352/1002

Mr. Wonderful

In view of the deep feelings that are reflected in this Easter morning edition of the Citation de la Semaine awards, the selection committee asked that I post them in strict alphabetical order, without the usual introductory comment, and with no honorable mention, runner up, or winner desig...

Buffy

I take it he will be covering the KW beat. Reuben, welcome aboard. Watch your back, and don't let any noose near your neck.

SpyZapper

Has anyone else had experience with Diablo Keys SpyWare recently?

obiviousman

gone fro a while breaking in through an uncontrolled network what has happened? Cronies reduced to mere KM and a little of the spokeslady. THere is evil here that has yet to be veted. 1) What does McCormick hold over THames to get him to do his bidden? Many things have changed based on this hold, pe...

In the Know

USM has had a dual enrollment program for a long time. Several high schools have asked USM about offering the same program on their campuses because they are going to a closed campus for a full day. IHl passed policy whereby students could not only get college credit, but could als...

Gone With The Wind

Has the link to ACT data in the 2004-2005 been deactivated? It doesn't seem to work.

stephen judd

This is the first time I have looked at the fact book, actually. It is interesting. In 2000, apparently, we had 612 full time faculty. In 2004 we have 712 FT faculty. In 2000 we had 465 tenure or tenure track professors. In 2004 we have 517. We currently have 37 fewer FT associate and full pro...

Reporter

Grimes named USM provost By Kevin Waltershttp://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050325/NEWS01/503250303/1002

Amy Young

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050326/NEWS01/503260302/1002

Reporter

H.A. Late Update USM minority enrollment grows http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050326/NEWS01/50326003

Ticket Holder

My wife and I are having a dilemma. Do we purchase season tickets this year if SFT is still president of USM? We have been season ticket holders for almost 30 years, but do not want to support SFT. We almost didn't get tickets last year. On the other hand, we do support Jeff Bower and the stude...

Nom d'Aplomb IT Department

he Vote-O-Matic™ ballot is now ready for this week's Nom d'Aplomb voting. Actually, the nom-inations are from the past two weeks & according to the Emergency Ad Hoc Committee, it's a fairly sparse field of candidates. (Miss Information says that, truth be told, the committee was lazy ov...

Isaiah

Isaiah 51:12-13 New International Version "I, even I, am he who comforts you. Who are you that you fear mortal men, the sons of men, who are but grass, that you forget the Lord your Maker, who stretched out the heavens and laid the foundations of the earth, that you live in constant terror ev...

Monique de Guerre

A very quiet day at chez le Guerre today. A solemn day of going to church, and then coming home to do penance before the electronic calculator. Sacre bleu! Who has invented this income tax, and how can we find and punish him! Miss Angleterre was of no assistance. She has been at the co...

Cossack

While it has been referenced many times, I do not think it has been made clear to the community that USM faculty are not asking for something that differs from the faculty governance at State and Ole Miss, or other comparable universities. If the issue is that faculty at all of the universities in the sy...

About to Be Banned

We are paying the price for endoctrinating students rather than educating them. For the past 20-30 years, a large majority of college and university faculty have taught only their views on things and have penalized students whose views differed. I think we are now seeing the backlash from a sta...

Cryer

Word is that the CoB just hired the (female) candidate they wanted to chair tourism management. The same one that got the axe from Malone, Grimes, Hutchinson et al during the interview process. The same one that Doty stated (in his famous letter) was the victim of gender discrimination...

Angeline

From a department chair today: For all those out in the world who think USM Liberal Arts is some kind of dead weight, the Dean's Office has done an interesting analysis to counter this notion. They calculated all the expenses of the college except overhead (salaries, fringes, operating bud...

Reporter

From Faculty Senate Listserv: March 24, 2005 Dear Faculty Senators, As many of you are already aware, the search for a new Provost at USM has been terminated. Dr. Susan Hubble and I are (were) both members of that committee and attended yesterday's meetin...

Angeline

http://hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050324/NEWS01/503240304/1002

In the IHL know

A friend of mine closely associated with IHL used the phrase "Crofts-Doty alliance" with me the other day. Apparently, Crofts has been impressed with Doty, especially since the infamous Grimes' letter incident. They have had two or three face-to-face meetings since, and are now "co...

The Green, Green Grass of Home

Although many USM faculty members have left or plan to leave, others are too invested in the state retirement system to leave right now. Many of them will finish out their academic careers at USM. But will they remain in Hattiesburg and environs after retirement? One of...

Subscriber

From today's issue in The Independent, by Bob Pittman: "Largely as the result of the turmoil that has flooded the campus of the University of Southern Mississippi over the past year and a half, the state College Board has changed its rules on accountability for university presidents." Bob Pitt...

Reporter

Annual evaluations for college presidents considered By Riva Brownhttp://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050325/NEWS01/503250334/1002/NEWS01

Reporter

I don't want to depress readers on this board, but on another thread the idea arose as to what would occur if SFT was given a second term. The question is: In May, if the IHL Board extended Thames' contract for another 4 or 5 years, what would happened? I can't imagine the depression among...

Third Witch

I had such a sad conversation with someone yesterday. This person is feeling the effects of the USM situation ripple through their church and social life. Speaking of a particular Thames Crony who is active in this congregation, my friend said, in effect "I don't know what to do. I know what my priorit...

Reporter

http://www.studentprintz.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/03/24/42425432235de

Just an opinion

This was the banner at the top of a posting I opened; even our board is not safe!

Angeline

http://hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050324/OPINION03/503240330/1014/OPINION

Invictus

<HUMOR ALERT> The following email was sent me by a friend who teaches physics. He is a terrific teacher & loves jokes. But after reading it -- and in light of Little Albert's post -- I think it may be illustrative of how many undergraduates think. And since most alumni don't ever take gradu...

Due Drop

The leaders of the alumni association should read the threads entitled "Retirement in Hattiesburg" and "Season Tickets" in order to get an idea about how much serious damage has been done during the past two to three years.

Angeline

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050323/NEWS01/503230301/1002

Reporter

FROM FACULTY SENATE LISTSERV: Good Morning Colleagues: Sorry I wasn't able to respond to Ray Folse's request yesterday for a summary of events form the PC meeting, but time ran out on me as I was constructing a test for classes today. And all of you know how disappoin...

Question Man

What are your views in regard to the Hattiesburg mayor's race? Which candidate is most favorable to the views of the USM faculty?

Amy Young

I understand that there is a meeting of the provost search committee scheduled for today at 4:00. A member of that search committee told me that Joan Exline and Shelby Thames will address the committee. The rumor is that the provost search will be halted for now. That is only a rumor, th...

scratching the noggin

just an observation, a couple of cents tossed onto the pavement when looking at our contributors, those who are regulars, those who donot hide behind random monikers (

guilty as charged) very odd what one sees those who post, those with a name, those are few and far between but it is...

Bothersome Question

Right now: Sorority members live at the Panhellenic dorm or off-campus. Married/family housing is at Pinehaven. The plan: Raze part of Pinehaven to provide sorority housing and move married/family off-campus. The Bothersome Question: What will happen to Panhellenic? Even if j...

Curious

Is there one? I thought the trial was to have taken place in February. Has a settlement been reached but not made public?

Reporter

This is just a reminder that the next PUC meeting is Wednesday, March 23 for all of you who want to attend what should be a very interesting meeting. This is the meeting that was rescheduled from earlier this month. According to the Faculty Senate listserv Anne Wallace will be out o...

watts

I hear KM was seen in some interesting places earlier this week. He's cookin' up some interesting new idea to allow masters students all over campus to simultaneously pursue a PHD in ED, possibly with a non-dissertation option. Anyone else heard?

Robert Campbell

I've posted the text of the Paving Company ad on Liberty and Power, with comments on the claims that it makes. I have not gotten into every detail about ACT scores of incoming freshmen, etc., but I hope I have hit the high points correctly. http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/10926.html Robert Camp...

Little Albert

Someone sent me an anonymous email about the English Department a few days ago. I wasn't going to post it here, but I after I saw Dr. Deb's HA article, I thought I should because the email obviously has some truth to it. The problem is, the email is immature and sarcastic. Do you wan...

Just an opinion

Dear Mr. Thames, Thank you for your recent inquiry concering a possible room here at The Shady Rest Retirement Home. I am pleased to report that a room is indeed available and that you are welcome to occupy it at your earliest convenience. In response to your other questions: (1) No,...

Angeline

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050323/OPINION03/503230334/1014/OPINION

Topic		Started By	Replies	Views	Last Post
	University, Inc. (Preview) There is an interesting lecture on C-SPAN2, Book TV by Jennifer Washburn, the author of University, Inc.: The Corporate Corruption of Higher Education. Has this work been cited earlier on this board? It sure sounds as if it is right on point.	ram	4	488	Mar 28, 2005 by ram
	Doty a finalist elsewhere.... (Preview) A well placed source informed me that business school dean Doty is a now a finalist for Dean at another university. All I know is that it is a higher tier school.	anupe	25	1135	Mar 28, 2005 by Invictus
	709 USM Faculty? ( 1 2 ) (Preview) Thanks to Reporter for the link to the Hattiesburg American story: USM Seeks Minority Professors Part of this story really caught my eye: Where did the numbe...	already gone	32	986	Mar 28, 2005 by Just the facts 'mam
	Nom d'Aplomb Award - March 27, 2005 (Preview) o, here we are together on Easter Day. Happy Easter dear friends from the Nom d’Aplomb Committee and a warm welcome to our new visitors. Our objective this week is to attempt a little light-hearted humor in the face of the many poignant serious messages cited by our colleagues in the Mr. W...	Miss Information	9	373	Mar 28, 2005 by archivist or packrat?
	HA editorial 3/28: Annual prez evals by IHL (Preview) http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050328/OPINION01/503280317/1014	truth4usm/AH	1	271	Mar 28, 2005 by USM Sympathizer
	CL Sunday and Monday (Preview) http://clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050327/NEWS01/503270352/1002	info	1	347	Mar 28, 2005 by USM Sympathizer
	Mr. Wonderful's Citation de la Semaine: 3-27-05 (Preview) In view of the deep feelings that are reflected in this Easter morning edition of the Citation de la Semaine awards, the selection committee asked that I post them in strict alphabetical order, without the usual introductory comment, and with no honorable mention, runner up, or winner desig...	Mr. Wonderful	11	402	Mar 28, 2005 by USM Sympathizer
	Welcome to the hellmouth, Reuben Mees!!! (Preview) I take it he will be covering the KW beat. Reuben, welcome aboard. Watch your back, and don't let any noose near your neck.	Buffy	4	497	Mar 28, 2005 by Lisa Mader
	SpyWare (Preview) Has anyone else had experience with Diablo Keys SpyWare recently?	SpyZapper	2	384	Mar 28, 2005 by Gnome Watcher
	where have all the children gone (Preview) gone fro a while breaking in through an uncontrolled network what has happened? Cronies reduced to mere KM and a little of the spokeslady. THere is evil here that has yet to be veted. 1) What does McCormick hold over THames to get him to do his bidden? Many things have changed based on this hold, pe...	obiviousman	0	309	Mar 28, 2005 by obiviousman
	Dual Enrollment ( 1 2 ) (Preview) USM has had a dual enrollment program for a long time. Several high schools have asked USM about offering the same program on their campuses because they are going to a closed campus for a full day. IHl passed policy whereby students could not only get college credit, but could als...	In the Know	43	2622	Mar 27, 2005 by Janis Joplin
	USM Fact Book ACT Data? (Preview) Has the link to ACT data in the 2004-2005 been deactivated? It doesn't seem to work.	Gone With The Wind	5	530	Mar 27, 2005 by Invictus
	Fact Book (Preview) This is the first time I have looked at the fact book, actually. It is interesting. In 2000, apparently, we had 612 full time faculty. In 2004 we have 712 FT faculty. In 2000 we had 465 tenure or tenure track professors. In 2004 we have 517. We currently have 37 fewer FT associate and full pro...	stephen judd	4	274	Mar 27, 2005 by Arnold
	H.A. 3/25/05 ( 1 2 ) (Preview) Grimes named USM provost By Kevin Waltershttp://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050325/NEWS01/503250303/1002	Reporter	39	1115	Mar 27, 2005 by Robert Campbell
	next stupid thing ( 1 2 3 ) (Preview) http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050326/NEWS01/503260302/1002	Amy Young	66	1234	Mar 27, 2005 by stephen judd
	Positive News from H.A. (Preview) H.A. Late Update USM minority enrollment grows http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050326/NEWS01/50326003	Reporter	3	404	Mar 27, 2005 by Arnold
	Season Tickets ? ( 1 2 3 ) (Preview) My wife and I are having a dilemma. Do we purchase season tickets this year if SFT is still president of USM? We have been season ticket holders for almost 30 years, but do not want to support SFT. We almost didn't get tickets last year. On the other hand, we do support Jeff Bower and the stude...	Ticket Holder	66	1227	Mar 27, 2005 by ram
	Nom d'Aplomb Voting Now Open! (Preview) he Vote-O-Matic™ ballot is now ready for this week's Nom d'Aplomb voting. Actually, the nom-inations are from the past two weeks & according to the Emergency Ad Hoc Committee, it's a fairly sparse field of candidates. (Miss Information says that, truth be told, the committee was lazy ov...	Nom d'Aplomb IT Department	1	253	Mar 26, 2005 by League of Extraordinary Voters
	A Word for Today (Preview) Isaiah 51:12-13 New International Version "I, even I, am he who comforts you. Who are you that you fear mortal men, the sons of men, who are but grass, that you forget the Lord your Maker, who stretched out the heavens and laid the foundations of the earth, that you live in constant terror ev...	Isaiah	1	297	Mar 26, 2005 by Just an opinion
	An evening reflection (Preview) A very quiet day at chez le Guerre today. A solemn day of going to church, and then coming home to do penance before the electronic calculator. Sacre bleu! Who has invented this income tax, and how can we find and punish him! Miss Angleterre was of no assistance. She has been at the co...	Monique de Guerre	0	254	Mar 25, 2005 by Monique de Guerre
	Comparison With Ole Miss and State (Preview) While it has been referenced many times, I do not think it has been made clear to the community that USM faculty are not asking for something that differs from the faculty governance at State and Ole Miss, or other comparable universities. If the issue is that faculty at all of the universities in the sy...	Cossack	6	493	Mar 25, 2005 by Invictus
	Why We're In the Mess We're In ( 1 2 3 ) (Preview) We are paying the price for endoctrinating students rather than educating them. For the past 20-30 years, a large majority of college and university faculty have taught only their views on things and have penalized students whose views differed. I think we are now seeing the backlash from a sta...	About to Be Banned	83	1200	Mar 25, 2005 by Invictus
	New tourism management chair ( 1 2 ) (Preview) Word is that the CoB just hired the (female) candidate they wanted to chair tourism management. The same one that got the axe from Malone, Grimes, Hutchinson et al during the interview process. The same one that Doty stated (in his famous letter) was the victim of gender discrimination...	Cryer	32	879	Mar 25, 2005 by Robert Campbell
	Arts & Letters brings in the money! (Preview) From a department chair today: For all those out in the world who think USM Liberal Arts is some kind of dead weight, the Dean's Office has done an interesting analysis to counter this notion. They calculated all the expenses of the college except overhead (salaries, fringes, operating bud...	Angeline	8	499	Mar 25, 2005 by Kickeroo
	Dave Beckett's Letter (Preview) From Faculty Senate Listserv: March 24, 2005 Dear Faculty Senators, As many of you are already aware, the search for a new Provost at USM has been terminated. Dr. Susan Hubble and I are (were) both members of that committee and attended yesterday's meetin...	Reporter	9	705	Mar 25, 2005 by kick
	HA Article on PUC Meeting - by KW (Preview) http://hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050324/NEWS01/503240304/1002	Angeline	29	1702	Mar 25, 2005 by Just an opinion
	The "Crofts-Doty Alliance" (Preview) A friend of mine closely associated with IHL used the phrase "Crofts-Doty alliance" with me the other day. Apparently, Crofts has been impressed with Doty, especially since the infamous Grimes' letter incident. They have had two or three face-to-face meetings since, and are now "co...	In the IHL know	12	741	Mar 25, 2005 by CoB Insider
	Faculty Retirement in Hattiesburg (Preview) Although many USM faculty members have left or plan to leave, others are too invested in the state retirement system to leave right now. Many of them will finish out their academic careers at USM. But will they remain in Hattiesburg and environs after retirement? One of...	The Green, Green Grass of Home	22	964	Mar 25, 2005 by Waterford Way of Life
	Independent Concern for USM (Preview) From today's issue in The Independent, by Bob Pittman: "Largely as the result of the turmoil that has flooded the campus of the University of Southern Mississippi over the past year and a half, the state College Board has changed its rules on accountability for university presidents." Bob Pitt...	Subscriber	22	714	Mar 25, 2005 by Daniel Webster
	Evaluation of Presidents (Preview) Annual evaluations for college presidents considered By Riva Brownhttp://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050325/NEWS01/503250334/1002/NEWS01	Reporter	4	363	Mar 25, 2005 by stephen judd
	A Second Term (Preview) I don't want to depress readers on this board, but on another thread the idea arose as to what would occur if SFT was given a second term. The question is: In May, if the IHL Board extended Thames' contract for another 4 or 5 years, what would happened? I can't imagine the depression among...	Reporter	3	311	Mar 25, 2005 by USM Sympathizer
	A Sobering Thought (Preview) I had such a sad conversation with someone yesterday. This person is feeling the effects of the USM situation ripple through their church and social life. Speaking of a particular Thames Crony who is active in this congregation, my friend said, in effect "I don't know what to do. I know what my priorit...	Third Witch	15	945	Mar 25, 2005 by Pity Party Planner
	Student Printz Opinions (Preview) http://www.studentprintz.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/03/24/42425432235de	Reporter	4	499	Mar 25, 2005 by robbie ward
	More evidence to support the conspiracy theory (Preview) This was the banner at the top of a posting I opened; even our board is not safe!	Just an opinion	0	325	Mar 24, 2005 by Just an opinion
	Good Letter in HA 3/24 (Preview) http://hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050324/OPINION03/503240330/1014/OPINION	Angeline	2	353	Mar 24, 2005 by Robert Campbell
	Student Advising (Preview) <HUMOR ALERT> The following email was sent me by a friend who teaches physics. He is a terrific teacher & loves jokes. But after reading it -- and in light of Little Albert's post -- I think it may be illustrative of how many undergraduates think. And since most alumni don't ever take gradu...	Invictus	7	500	Mar 24, 2005 by interested bystander
	Attention Alumni Association Leaders (Preview) The leaders of the alumni association should read the threads entitled "Retirement in Hattiesburg" and "Season Tickets" in order to get an idea about how much serious damage has been done during the past two to three years.	Due Drop	25	801	Mar 24, 2005 by stephen judd
	Apparently no need for the Athletic Bond issue? ( 1 2 ) (Preview) http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050323/NEWS01/503230301/1002	Angeline	35	1156	Mar 24, 2005 by USM Sympathizer
	Myron's PC Summary (Preview) FROM FACULTY SENATE LISTSERV: Good Morning Colleagues: Sorry I wasn't able to respond to Ray Folse's request yesterday for a summary of events form the PC meeting, but time ran out on me as I was constructing a test for classes today. And all of you know how disappoin...	Reporter	7	544	Mar 24, 2005 by Credibility Gap
	Mayor's Race (Preview) What are your views in regard to the Hattiesburg mayor's race? Which candidate is most favorable to the views of the USM faculty?	Question Man	28	1275	Mar 24, 2005 by Googler
	provost search ( 1 2 ) (Preview) I understand that there is a meeting of the provost search committee scheduled for today at 4:00. A member of that search committee told me that Joan Exline and Shelby Thames will address the committee. The rumor is that the provost search will be halted for now. That is only a rumor, th...	Amy Young	34	1344	Mar 24, 2005 by Invictus
	Interesting life we lead (Preview) just an observation, a couple of cents tossed onto the pavement when looking at our contributors, those who are regulars, those who donot hide behind random monikers ( guilty as charged) very odd what one sees those who post, those with a name, those are few and far between but it is...	scratching the noggin	14	533	Mar 24, 2005 by truth4usm/AH
	Pinehaven Shellgame (Preview) Right now: Sorority members live at the Panhellenic dorm or off-campus. Married/family housing is at Pinehaven. The plan: Raze part of Pinehaven to provide sorority housing and move married/family off-campus. The Bothersome Question: What will happen to Panhellenic? Even if j...	Bothersome Question	4	342	Mar 24, 2005 by Let the academics govern
	Melissa Whiting's Court Date (Preview) Is there one? I thought the trial was to have taken place in February. Has a settlement been reached but not made public?	Curious	2	512	Mar 24, 2005 by Herald
	PUC Meeting 3/23/05 (Preview) This is just a reminder that the next PUC meeting is Wednesday, March 23 for all of you who want to attend what should be a very interesting meeting. This is the meeting that was rescheduled from earlier this month. According to the Faculty Senate listserv Anne Wallace will be out o...	Reporter	20	981	Mar 24, 2005 by kick
	Ken Malone cookin' again? (Preview) I hear KM was seen in some interesting places earlier this week. He's cookin' up some interesting new idea to allow masters students all over campus to simultaneously pursue a PHD in ED, possibly with a non-dissertation option. Anyone else heard?	watts	9	492	Mar 24, 2005 by Invictus
	L and P on the Paving Company ad (Preview) I've posted the text of the Paving Company ad on Liberty and Power, with comments on the claims that it makes. I have not gotten into every detail about ACT scores of incoming freshmen, etc., but I hope I have hit the high points correctly. http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/10926.html Robert Camp...	Robert Campbell	9	551	Mar 24, 2005 by kick
	Anonymous Email About The English Dept. (Preview) Someone sent me an anonymous email about the English Department a few days ago. I wasn't going to post it here, but I after I saw Dr. Deb's HA article, I thought I should because the email obviously has some truth to it. The problem is, the email is immature and sarcastic. Do you wan...	Little Albert	2	344	Mar 24, 2005 by Little Albert
	Shelby to retire?!?! (Preview) Dear Mr. Thames, Thank you for your recent inquiry concering a possible room here at The Shady Rest Retirement Home. I am pleased to report that a room is indeed available and that you are welcome to occupy it at your earliest convenience. In response to your other questions: (1) No,...	Just an opinion	0	325	Mar 23, 2005 by Just an opinion
	Letter on Pinehaven Decision (Preview) http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050323/OPINION03/503230334/1014/OPINION	Angeline	1	309	Mar 23, 2005 by Amy Young
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