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Emma

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Mitch Monitor wrote:


Miss Emma, Miss Emma, You need to go back and read my post if you think I was snapping at Mitch. My comment about him being from the east was, I thought, something of a compliment. I think that we have much to learn from people from the North, South, East, and West. It will take more than us Suthners to solve our problems at USM I admire this guy and his views. That was what my request was all about. I hope to hear from him.

Thanks for giving my persepective a major shift/push. I just seem to be fond of Dr. Mitch Berman, and I now realize your point of view.  Apologies overwhelm me as I attempt to save the D'Lo campus.

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Mitch Monitor

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Mitch,
Thanks for your comments. I see why Miss Emma admires you so much.

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Mitch Monitor wrote:
Mitch, I read your third post on this thread with interest. We all appreciate your comments and your past experience in the east seems to give you a different perspective on things at USM. Sometimes we need someone out of our parachial setting to look at us objectively.

I would be interested in your opinions, and I think that others would also, regarding a number of the comments made on this thread.

Specifically, do you think there are a small number of individuals that have controlled USM for a great length of time? Are those that support this view correct? Is it conceivable that those in power have a predetermined plan for our future? Share anything else that you can to provide us a different perspective on our situation.


I'm not sure that growing up in NY has much to do with it, except that I got to see cronysim at it's true world-class best. I do believe that there seems to be a small number of folks who have been highly influential at USM-donors, alum, and administrators--for many years. But even among the "in crowd" there have been power plays and in fighting. All public institutions will have a degree of this sort of narrow "dotted line" influence, but USM seems to have quite a bit of this going on. The next President will have an interesting challenge--deciding which players to keep in the fold and how to manage them (MSU will have the same problem). A clean sweep is not always the answer to institutional reform, for a lot of reasons, as we have seen in the past few years. The "if it ain't broken, break it" approach to change that we have experienced has just not worked in our interest.

I have no clue how the powers that be think of USM or our future as an institution. From the perspective of a faculty member, I would like to see a greater emphasis placed on increasing the quality of our educational offerings, raising the overall quality of our student body, and focusing on some of the traditional core strengths of USM--including the performing and liberal arts, life sciences, social sciences and education. Expansion into what I see as boutique degree programs should be done more cautiously, especially if they are resource intensive and not central and essential to a unit or the university's mission.

One point of pride for my home department is that, under the leadership of the chair, we have focused our offerings, become a more cohesive unit, and phased out undergrad and grad programs that are not central to our mission (maximizing our use of resources). Grade inflation has been held in check, and the quality and quantity of our overall scholarship has increased dramatically. At the same time, external sources of revenue have been sought and received, and we contribute quite a bit to the welfare of the community. This is a model that seems to be working for us--and we have the potential for prospering even more if the next administration adopts a de-centralized unit management approach and has a long term strategic plan to increase the resources supplied (infrastructure and personnel) to the academic units.

We will have a clue about our future if transparency in our operations increases, including budgetary and technology decisions (I think that some effort in these areas is being expended, but we are far from there). Also, if we start to put people and programs first--faculty, staff, grad student, and undergrads--rather than power and influence and parochial turf concerns, we will be headed in the right direction. Finally, if we see a shift from the economic model that the core finance folks espouse (for example, that the acaedmic units should be viewed as potential "profit centers"), that would be reason to be optimistic. There is no doubt that the economics of public higher education are complex and challenging, and that we (from the guy who cleans the restrooms to the President) need to constantly consider costs and revenue generation. However, USM is still a non-profit public trust, and the models used by corporate and private for profit business entities (the world from which virtually all of our current university leaders are drawn) are not fully applicable to USM--attempting to apply them whole cloth has been a source of many of our problems, including our failure to fairly and appropriately compensate faculty, staff, and graduate students.

Please understand that I am not an expert in leadership, finance, or higher education administration (my Ph.D. is in clinical psychology). So take my comments with a grain of salt.



This is some very forward thinking. We all need to be brought together to have exploratory conversations about where we need to go. Hope that these thoughts by Mitch can serve as the springboard that we need to initiate a movement in this direction.

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jackson lobby guy wrote:

emma with the long legs...

Ole Bud is no fool.

He had his beginning at USM in the 70's. He obtained good positions early in his career due to his kinship with AKL.

One of these postions, in the 1970's, was as an assistant to SFT when SFT was a VP in charge of regional campuse. He was very loyal to SFT.

SFT and AKL took care of Ole Bud and gave him new and increased levels of responsibilty. He carried the laundry for both Lucas and Thames in the 70's and 80's. When SFT was sent back to Polyer Science in the 80's, Bud was loyal to AKL and did his bidding here in Jackson.

Contrary to another poster's opinion, Ole Bud did a good job in Jackson for AKL. He made sure the Gulf Coast was kept on a short leash.

He was always well rewarded.

When AKL retired, Ole Bud cast his lot with Fleming. Bud rode this wagon for a while and then something happened. SFT reemerged as a force, Fleming was forced out, and Ole Bud was among the first with major responsibilities in the SFT administration.

Fleming probably wishes he had never trusted Ole Bud. Bud was a part of the designing of the downfall of Fleming. On second thought, Horace may be thankful to Ole Bud...for getting him out of the USM Circus.

If you can use your kinship to ride three different administrations over a thirty year period, you are not a fool.

If you can retire at the State max with PERS, with 37-38 years, and then go back to work part-time with the same institution at a good salary, you are no fool.

Bud Ginn is no fool. He still has work to do.




As a USM lobbyist, Bud has also been good for Delta State. I think that AKL's years at Delta State solidifed his support for our institution. Bud continued to do things that were beneficial for Delta State long after AKL left the presidency at USM. I know that DS also helped USM with some projects.

A lobbyist is a trader. He has to trade to get the votes that he needs to help his own organiization/institution. Bud has traded well over the years, not only with Delta State, but with State and Ole Miss. USM has benefitted from some of these trades and has come up on the short end on many of them. The short end, many times, was in relation to USM's expansion on the Gulf Coast. State, Ole Miss, Delta State, and others did not want the coast to develop their higher ed offerings. USM H also wanted to keep ths development at a minimum. There were some strange bedfellow arrangements that kept a lid on all initiatives for higher ed expansion on the coast.

Ginn was right in the middle of this arrangement. He has lots of friends and still has lots of connections. He can still be influential in arranging thngs.

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Not a player

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The thing about Bud is this--no matter now good a job (or how poor a job) he's done over the years, he is not someone you want to be in the life boat with. He wants power and influence and he follows it. Just don't ever count on him or trust him. He may bring home the bacon, but it will be for the power brokers.

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Little old lady

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What's sad too is that this is anybody's definition of a power position. How pitiful as a life-work.

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Invictus

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Little old lady wrote:

How pitiful as a life-work.


Not if you buy into the "he who dies with the most toys wins" philosophy. And I'm pretty sure Dr Ginn will die with more toys than most folks on this board, myself included.

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uh oh

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if you dont keep talking about the power he has. C Moore is going to get upset. So if you like BG then you might want to not disclose as much

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Little old lady

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If the hurricane taught us anything, surely it taught us that it's all just "stuff." Here today and in the Gulf of Mexico tomorrow. I'd rather have fewer toys than leave behind a lot of people who are glad to see me go.

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Invictus

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Little old lady wrote:

If the hurricane taught us anything, surely it taught us that it's all just "stuff." Here today and in the Gulf of Mexico tomorrow. I'd rather have fewer toys than leave behind a lot of people who are glad to see me go.


And I agree. Of course, I hope that my survivors don't have to take a bank loan to bury me...



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Looks like this guy is as popular at USM on as his boss. It was a 95 percent vote against SFT when he came in. Ginn has never had the pleasure of having a vote on his performance. How would he rate?

He could always get JB on the Bayou to go out in that boat with him. JB would save him.



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Mitch Monitor

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I have not seen any response to Mitch's eloquent comments earlier on this thread.

Read them. He has a lot to say.

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j b on the bayou

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This thread is officiallly CLOSED. No other posts will be acdepted.

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Webster's Third Cousin

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j b on the bayou wrote:


This thread is officiallly CLOSED. No other posts will be acdepted.


Correction #1:  "officially" doesn't have 3 l's.


Correction #2:  the proper spelling is "accepted."


Correction #3:  this thread ain't closed.  ("Ain't" is now in the dictionary, in case y'all hadn't noticed.  Besides, Peter Wimsey was fond of the locution.)



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j b on the bayou

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Webster's Third Cousin wrote:

j b on the bayou wrote:
This thread is officiallly CLOSED. No other posts will be acdepted.

Correction #1:  "officially" doesn't have 3 l's.
Correction #2:  the proper spelling is "accepted."
Correction #3:  this thread ain't closed.  ("Ain't" is now in the dictionary, in case y'all hadn't noticed.  Besides, Peter Wimsey was fond of the locution.)


Webster dee Third, Down here we spel it lik at sounds. As a bayou boy, when I close sumpin down, it is closed. And if I have closed a few bars down, I can sure as a gator nounce the closing of this useless thread on dis message board.

By d'way, was that Web the 3rd thing brought about by some kind of Cajun coronation?

Answer me if you chose on a nudder (new) thread, this one is closed.



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j b on the bayou

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And, Uncle Bud said to close it.

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Webster's Third Cousin

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j b on the bayou wrote:

And, Uncle Bud said to close it.



Being neither the webmaster nor God (who closes and no one can open), your uncle has no authority here.

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Delta Soybeaner wrote:





jackson lobby guy wrote: emma with the long legs... Ole Bud is no fool. He had his beginning at USM in the 70's. He obtained good positions early in his career due to his kinship with AKL. One of these postions, in the 1970's, was as an assistant to SFT when SFT was a VP in charge of regional campuse. He was very loyal to SFT. SFT and AKL took care of Ole Bud and gave him new and increased levels of responsibilty. He carried the laundry for both Lucas and Thames in the 70's and 80's. When SFT was sent back to Polyer Science in the 80's, Bud was loyal to AKL and did his bidding here in Jackson. Contrary to another poster's opinion, Ole Bud did a good job in Jackson for AKL. He made sure the Gulf Coast was kept on a short leash. He was always well rewarded. When AKL retired, Ole Bud cast his lot with Fleming. Bud rode this wagon for a while and then something happened. SFT reemerged as a force, Fleming was forced out, and Ole Bud was among the first with major responsibilities in the SFT administration. Fleming probably wishes he had never trusted Ole Bud. Bud was a part of the designing of the downfall of Fleming. On second thought, Horace may be thankful to Ole Bud...for getting him out of the USM Circus. If you can use your kinship to ride three different administrations over a thirty year period, you are not a fool. If you can retire at the State max with PERS, with 37-38 years, and then go back to work part-time with the same institution at a good salary, you are no fool. Bud Ginn is no fool. He still has work to do. As a USM lobbyist, Bud has also been good for Delta State. I think that AKL's years at Delta State solidifed his support for our institution. Bud continued to do things that were beneficial for Delta State long after AKL left the presidency at USM. I know that DS also helped USM with some projects. A lobbyist is a trader. He has to trade to get the votes that he needs to help his own organiization/institution. Bud has traded well over the years, not only with Delta State, but with State and Ole Miss. USM has benefitted from some of these trades and has come up on the short end on many of them. The short end, many times, was in relation to USM's expansion on the Gulf Coast. State, Ole Miss, Delta State, and others did not want the coast to develop their higher ed offerings. USM H also wanted to keep ths development at a minimum. There were some strange bedfellow arrangements that kept a lid on all initiatives for higher ed expansion on the coast. Ginn was right in the middle of this arrangement. He has lots of friends and still has lots of connections. He can still be influential in arranging thngs.


Actually, Fleming took on Gulf Coast expansion of USM with a passion, and that was another strike against him with the Old Miss and State factions on the IHL.  Lucas never got off his butt to move on the Coast.  And Bud Ginn tried to hold things back a little out of his loyalty to Holmes and other community colleges.  There is much more to this story. 



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Clarify Clara

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uh oh wrote:

if you dont keep talking about the power he has. C Moore is going to get upset. So if you like BG then you might want to not disclose as much

Did you mean See More instead of C. Moore? See More could have a field day with Ginn.

See More could see more by the seashore with a view of Bud's lore.
See More will be in awe of the flaw(s).
See More can present, no one can dent (Ginn).


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ram, fresh off the turnip truck

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Clarify Clara wrote:


 Did you mean See More instead of C. Moore?


Well, that's a little homophone I never noticed.  Could Ms. Cynthia be . . . ?  Naw.


Thanks for the chuckle, Clara.



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Jax Beer Girl

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Delta Soybeaner wrote:


jackson lobby guy wrote:
emma with the long legs...

Ole Bud is no fool.

He had his beginning at USM in the 70's. He obtained good positions early in his career due to his kinship with AKL.

One of these postions, in the 1970's, was as an assistant to SFT when SFT was a VP in charge of regional campuse. He was very loyal to SFT.

FT a nd AKL took care of Ole Bud and gave him new and increased levels of esponsibilty. He carried the laundry for both Lucas and Thames in the 70's and 80's. When SFT was sent back to Polyer Science in the 80's, Bud was loyal to AKL and did his bidding here in Jackson.

Contrary to another poster's opinion, Ole Bud did a good job in Jackson for AKL. He made sure the Gulf Coast was kept on a short leash.

He was always well rewarded.

When AKL retired, Ole Bud cast his lot with Fleming. Bud rode this wagon for a while and then something happened. SFT reemerged as a force, Fleming was forced out, and Ole Bud was among the first with major responsibilities in the SFT administration.

Fleming probably wishes he had never trusted Ole Bud. Bud was a part of the designing of the downfall of Fleming. On second thought, Horace may be thankful to Ole Bud...for getting him out of the USM Circus.

If you can use your kinship to ride three different administrations over a thirty year period, you are not a fool.

If you can retire at the State max with PERS, with 37-38 years, and then go back to work part-time with the same institution at a good salary, you are no fool.

Bud Ginn is no fool. He still has work to do.



As a USM lobbyist, Bud has also been good for Delta State. I think that AKL's years at Delta State solidifed his support for our institution. Bud continued to do things that were beneficial for Delta State long after AKL left the presidency at USM. I know that DS also helped USM with some projects.

A lobbyist is a trader. He has to trade to get the votes that he needs to help his own organiization/institution. Bud has traded well over the years, not only with Delta State, but with State and Ole Miss. USM has benefitted from some of these trades and has come up on the short end on many of them. The short end, many times, was in relation to USM's expansion on the Gulf Coast. State, Ole Miss, Delta State, and others did not want the coast to develop their higher ed offerings. USM H also wanted to keep ths development at a minimum. There were some strange bedfellow arrangements that kept a lid on all initiatives for higher ed expansion on the coast.

Ginn was right in the middle of this arrangement. He has lots of friends and still has lots of connections. He can still be influential in arranging thngs.


Down here in Nawlings we are recovering from Katrina. We will never recover from Buddy and his time spent "dancing" in the Quarter. What a hoot! A hoot that can be a real take off! You would have to have seen it to believe it..It was something, his power was something! ! !

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Ginn and Tonic, with a Bud Lite Chaser

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Jax Beer Girl wrote:


We will never recover from Buddy and his time spent "dancing" in the Quarter. What a hoot! A hoot that can be a real take off! You would have to have seen it to believe it..It was something, his power was something! ! !

I've heard stories of Bud and others who shall remain nameless having fun in NOLA, even bringing some of their new friends back to Hattiesburg and setting them up in jobs on campus.

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Jax Beer Girl

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Ginn and Tonic, with a Bud Lite Chaser wrote:

Jax Beer Girl wrote:
We will never recover from Buddy and his time spent "dancing" in the Quarter. What a hoot! A hoot that can be a real take off! You would have to have seen it to believe it..It was something, his power was something! ! !
I've heard stories of Bud and others who shall remain nameless having fun in NOLA, even bringing some of their new friends back to Hattiesburg and setting them up in jobs on campus.


I am sure glad to be a card carrying, voting resident of Lamar County, thanks to Bud getting me out of NO and getting me this job over in the athletic department.

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Not a player wrote:

The thing about Bud is this--no matter now good a job (or how poor a job) he's done over the years, he is not someone you want to be in the life boat with. He wants power and influence and he follows it. Just don't ever count on him or trust him. He may bring home the bacon, but it will be for the power brokers.

Bud has brought home a lot of bacon for USM-H. USM-GC suffered for years because of his actions. He was charged with protecting the Hattiesburg business community and USM-H, keeping growth to a minimum at the coast campus, and doing the back room deals for AKL, HF, and SFT.

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Billy The Kid wrote:


Bud has brought home a lot of bacon for USM-H. USM-GC suffered for years because of his actions. He was charged with protecting the Hattiesburg business community and USM-H, keeping growth to a minimum at the coast campus, and doing the back room deals for AKL, HF, and SFT.

And wasn't Bud Ginn their first choice to become Associate Provost at USM-GC after Malone stepped down as "Chief Operating Officer"?  Can anyone confirm?  Why would they do that?  To make sure growth of USM-GC is "controlled"?   

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papillon wrote:


......... after Malone stepped down as "Chief Operating Officer"?    

So Malone did have his wings clipped and lost one of his several admin positions?  Was this a demotion?  I don't recall seeing this move discussed here or in the media,  but I'm out of state and there's often a USM information void.  When did this happen,  and why?  Can someone lay out the short version,  just for my edification.  Thanks in advance.

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drop kick

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I kicked up the thread for you, Outsider.  It's called Adios Malone.

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Need To Know

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papillon wrote:

Billy The Kid wrote:
Bud has brought home a lot of bacon for USM-H. USM-GC suffered for years because of his actions. He was charged with protecting the Hattiesburg business community and USM-H, keeping growth to a minimum at the coast campus, and doing the back room deals for AKL, HF, and SFT.
And wasn't Bud Ginn their first choice to become Associate Provost at USM-GC after Malone stepped down as "Chief Operating Officer"?  Can anyone confirm?  Why would they do that?  To make sure growth of USM-GC is "controlled"?   


Who is the present lobbyist for USM?

Maybe this question should be reworded. It could be misinterpreted to mean that the USM lobbyist is giving presents.

What I want to know is who currently does the lobbying for USM?

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Need To Know wrote:


 What I want to know is who currently does the lobbying for USM?



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I second that wrote:


Need To Know wrote:  What I want to know is who currently does the lobbying for USM?

The answer to this question should be a matter of record. But just where is that record maintained?

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