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IHL#1

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Where can I get more info on the justification/rationalization for lowering the undergraduate hours to graduate? Thanks.

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IHL#1

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http://www.ihl.state.ms.us/newsstory.asp?ID=277


I already read this info from the above link. Do you know of any more stories?



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stinky cheese man

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the clarion ledger had a couple of stories on the issue.  much of the focus was on what other states like Florida have done.

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IHL#1

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The IHL says it will provide "better service for our students.” How will that happen? Any thoughts?

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Newgirl

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Check out the letter in today's Sun Herald on this issue. The letter begins:

We need a 'No College Student Left Behind' Act

What are people in Mississippi thinking? First our Legislature cuts funds from our public education system. Now the state College Board has approved lowering the number of undergraduate hours from 131 to 124 to graduate from a public university.
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http://www.sunherald.com/mld/thesunherald/news/editorial/9221692.htm

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stinky cheese man

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what some also forget is that our semesters run longer than those in other states.

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Delta Dawn

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"what some also forget is that our semesters run longer than those in other states."
True, skinky. But those other states do not close down for Mardi Gras or Ground Hog Day.

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stinky cheese man

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yeah, but when i started here 20+ years ago semesters were 15 weeks long (longer than in other states)and we still had the holidays (i agree, i'm not much for mardis gras).  for some reason, i think it was because we didn't work hard enough or our students weren't bright enough, the IHL stretched semesters to 16 weeks. 

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truth4usm/AH

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"yeah, but when i started here 20+ years ago semesters were 15 weeks long (longer than in other states)and we still had the holidays (i agree, i'm not much for mardis gras).  for some reason, i think it was because we didn't work hard enough or our students weren't bright enough, the IHL stretched semesters to 16 weeks.  "
And a billion years ago (well, only 25 or so), USM was on the quarter system--way before my time, but I do remember having to walk around Reed Green Coliseum at registration time to collect the orange cards!

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Delta Dawn

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"yeah, but when i started here 20+ years ago semesters were 15 weeks long (longer than in other states)and we still had the holidays (i agree, i'm not much for mardis gras).  for some reason, i think it was because we didn't work hard enough or our students weren't bright enough, the IHL stretched semesters to 16 weeks.  "
I was just kidding you, stinky. Just trying to point out that the USM academic scheduling makes very little sense.

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Interested

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"Check out the letter in today's Sun Herald on this issue. The letter begins:

We need a 'No College Student Left Behind' Act

What are people in Mississippi thinking? First our Legislature cuts funds from our public education system. Now the state College Board has approved lowering the number of undergraduate hours from 131 to 124 to graduate from a public university.
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http://www.sunherald.com/mld/thesunherald/news/editorial/9221692.htm"



In-state tuition at UNC-Chapel Hill is $3200/year; USM's is over $4000. Which is a better deal? There are reasons why Mississippi is the poorest state in the nation. Overly high tuition is but one of them.


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Just Plain Jane

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"I do remember having to walk around Reed Green Coliseum at registration time to collect the orange cards!"

truth4usm/AH,


You will probably think I am a sad and lonely isolate when I say this (whereas I am really a fun-loving live-wire).  But those registration sessions at Green Coliseum were the highlight of my entire semester! I am, you see, in a very fine college - but one in which my discipline should not be housed. You might say we were one of the victims of previous USM "reorganizations." I would just love to be able to interact regularly, on campus, with faculty members from some other disciplines. I would just love to be able to walk down the hall and talk with them informallly. But I never had the opportunity to even meet D.C. Berry, and I have never met Noel Polk, or any number of faculty members who might otherwise be immediatly available for intellectual stimulation and discussion. But I was able to meet all sorts of faculty members in a variety of disciplines when registration was held in Green Colisuem when we passed out those orange cards. Thank you for this nostalgic trip.



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foot soldier

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I would just love to be able to interact regularly, on campus, with faculty members from some other disciplines. I would just love to be able to walk down the hall and talk with them informallly. But I never had the opportunity to even meet D.C. Berry, and I have never met Noel Polk, or any number of faculty members who might otherwise be immediatly available for intellectual stimulation and discussion.trip."


I have to admit that this was the most wonderful thing that happened for me due to the Thames crisis--I got to meet so many faculty members and to learn what a fine place USM is. Ironically, this happened just before I left--I learned that USM would have been worth staying at, if it hadn't been for the Thames mess.

Jane, maybe someday you can take a job at a small liberal arts college. In my experience, there's much more interaction there between faculty in different disciplines.

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sutcivnI

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"And a billion years ago (well, only 25 or so), USM was on the quarter system--way before my time, but I do remember having to walk around Reed Green Coliseum at registration time to collect the orange cards!"


What about the brief flirtation with the trimester system (quarter schedule with semester hour credit)? That was when USM styled itself as the "Career College."


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Jump, Jive, 'n Stomp

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" What about the brief flirtation with the trimester system (quarter schedule with semester hour credit)? That was when USM styled itself as the "Career College." "
Was USM really referred to as the "Career College?" That sound like Klumb's Kareer College. Reminds me to Kay Kyser's Kollege of Musical Knowledge. Kay Kyser the Ol' Professor of Swing

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kicker

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truth4usm/AH

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Originally posted by: Just Plain Jane
" truth4usm/AH, You will probably think I am a sad and lonely isolate when I say this (whereas I am really a fun-loving live-wire).  But those registration sessions at Green Coliseum were the highlight of my entire semester! I am, you see, in a very fine college - but one in which my discipline should not be housed. You might say we were one of the victims of previous USM "reorganizations." I would just love to be able to interact regularly, on campus, with faculty members from some other disciplines. I would just love to be able to walk down the hall and talk with them informallly. But I never had the opportunity to even meet D.C. Berry, and I have never met Noel Polk, or any number of faculty members who might otherwise be immediatly available for intellectual stimulation and discussion. But I was able to meet all sorts of faculty members in a variety of disciplines when registration was held in Green Colisuem when we passed out those orange cards. Thank you for this nostalgic trip."

Jane:


I'm glad to know that the faculty members enjoyed those days in RGC!  As a student, I remember having to take the entire day off from work, and stand in all of those lines for cards that my teachers didn't even take up when I went to their class.  I never could understand the point of those cards!


It's too bad that you've never had the chance to meet DC or Noel--both fine individuals.  That's one thing that I always thought was great about the Honors College--team-teaching across disciplines.  Too bad that this sort of activity isn't encouraged more.


Glad to take you down that memory lane!


Truth



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stinky cheese man

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i remember those days.  but one thought a faculty member i knew had about the orange cards was the following--at the point of returning the first major graded assignment randomly attach orange cards to students' work.  it would scare the s**t out of them because you had to get your orange card from a professor to drop a class.  what a perverse lot we could be.

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asdf

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"yeah, but when i started here 20+ years ago semesters were 15 weeks long (longer than in other states)and we still had the holidays (i agree, i'm not much for mardis gras).  for some reason, i think it was because we didn't work hard enough or our students weren't bright enough, the IHL stretched semesters to 16 weeks.  "
I was always told it was because IHL (or somebody) decided that finials week did not count as contact hours.

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stinky cheese man

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you may be right, but i had to add a week to my syllabi.

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KISS Principal

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Sometimes the most clever are the simplest after all - Malapropism/Invictus take note - it would not have been nearly so funny had I not been puzzling through every possible iteration of the meaning first!

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