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Alias is my new posting name. I have posted under other noms in the past.


I fully support the registration for posting. I certainly understand why there are those that do not want, or cannot, post using their real names. The new policy will help us get down real important issues.


It's time for some new topics. I suggest:


    *an examination of the move to do away with regional accreditation and move a a national accreditatin process.


    *how we can really impact the selection process for our new president.


    *what will really happen to USM on the Coast?


    *what is the "realistic future" of our institution?


    * a look at that Quest For The Mace novel. (not that this is impt. but it would be interesting)


And as far as usmpride, I cannot access but half of this site. I am a CS user, I go to the site and get only the right side of the posting. Nothing I do can correct this. I will try IE. I am open minded and would really like to know what is so important that these guys hijack everything.


I support open and free discussion in a civilized manner. I will try to be more civilized than I have been in the postings that I have made in the past.


We have a lot to do before May 20, 2007. You guys that take the summer off, get involved.



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What great suggestions, Alias!

As for the selection of a new president, there's always prayer. (Is there an icon that's sort of smiling, but also serious at the same time?)

I have heard rumors that meetings are already underway, but no idea of who, where, or when. Anybody else?

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I went to Internet Explorer and had no problems. Has anyone else had problems logging on from a CS account? I updated my cookies and still cannot get logged onto this message board through CS. That may end up being a blessing to all of you if I have to go to IE to use this board. I realize this is my problem.

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As I stated elsewhere, I can't get on that site using Firefox, and prefer not to go to IE just for that. Someone else commented that the site has technical problems and needs help.

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Alias wrote:

Alias is my new posting name. I have posted under other noms in the past. I fully support the registration for posting. ...     *an examination of the move to do away with regional accreditation and move a a national accreditatin process.     ...

Alias, is there a reason why you would not inform us of your past name(s)?  I haven't hear about the move to "a national accreditation process".  Can you elaborate on this for us who are not informed?


Thanks.



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LeftASAP wrote:

Alias wrote: Alias is my new posting name. I have posted under other noms in the past. I fully support the registration for posting. ...     *an examination of the move to do away with regional accreditation and move a a national accreditatin process.     ... Alias, is there a reason why you would not inform us of your past name(s)?  I haven't hear about the move to "a national accreditation process".  Can you elaborate on this for us who are not informed? Thanks.

There is a reason I would not inform you of my past noms.


Just Google the national accreditation for higher education question. Better info than I can provide.  I am really surprised that I have have not seen discussion of this on this board. I am sure that the USM adm is out front on this...just as they have been on SACS.



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As I stated elsewhere, I can't get on that site using Firefox, and prefer not to go to IE just for that. Someone else commented that the site has technical problems and needs help.


Any site that only works in Internet Exploiter has technical problems & needs help. I know several black hats that would provide exactly the help USMPride needs. The acronym for that type of help is a DDoS.


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Hi everybody, i found you.  Hope everbody is doing well.



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I fully support the registration for posting. I certainly understand why there are those that do not want, or cannot, post using their real names. The new policy will help us get down real important issues.

Optimism is like a cool summer breeze, it feels good and has about the same life span.

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Invictus wrote:

LVN wrote:
As I stated elsewhere, I can't get on that site using Firefox, and prefer not to go to IE just for that. Someone else commented that the site has technical problems and needs help.


Any site that only works in Internet Exploiter has technical problems & needs help. I know several black hats that would provide exactly the help USMPride needs. The acronym for that type of help is a DDoS.



Many people see a need to improve governance and open USM. We have many faculty, staff, and non-USM folks contributing to USMPride.com. Join in. Help is much appreciated. Contact me any time: marcdepree@comcast.net.

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I agree with Alias - we need to move on and start focusing on the future of the university.


Has anyone heard rumors regarding Dr. Lucas' daughter possibly beginning considered for President?  I have been hearing this rumor for several months.



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Southern Belle wrote:
I agree with Alias - we need to move on and start focusing on the future of the university.
Has anyone heard rumors regarding Dr. Lucas' daughter possibly beginning considered for President?  I have been hearing this rumor for several months.


This is a rumor that has been around since Thames took office. It's been used as the reason that AKL hasn't been publicly outspoken (although I don't think that's true, at least not completely). Given that she has a comfortable position currently at a school that isn't in turmoil, I'm not sure that she would take it. Of course, there are those who believe that she wouldn't be a good choice, as they believe that she would perpetuate the plantation system at USM.

Whomever is chosen will face an almost impossible task. I predict that USM will have to go through two presidents before we find one who will stick.

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Chauncey DePree


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Thanks for advice about problems reading USMPride.com. The following appears on the webpage: For readers using Mozilla Firefox who are having trouble accessing pdfs, please see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Adobe_Reader#Method_2_.28Firefox_only.29.  It is a simple process:  Open  your Mozilla application’s installation directory, open the Plugins folder and ensure that the file "nppdf32.dll" is not present. If it is, remove it (or rename "nppdf32.dll" to "Xnppdf32.dll").

Thanks again.

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I'm not too sure that anyone around here knows exactly who will even be on the short list for USM's presidency, and I think that's a good thing. If the frontrunner was public knowledge, then there would be an AAUP/FS/some other investigation and revelation of information too early in the game. evealing information too early gives the puppetmasters too much time to create alternative plans.

I will watch with interest as candidates are revealed -- assuming the search is not a secret one, a la MS State -- and I will advocate a thoughtful release of any positive or negative information that comes to light through faculty-driven fact-finding missions.

This is more important than any decision in USM's history. The new president will determine whether we regain "real university" status or whether we're demoted to a level below JSU -- not that the president will be able to control these things, but the IHL will signal its intent for USM through its choice of leadership.



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Silver Surfer wrote:

I'm not too sure that anyone around here knows exactly who will even be on the short list for USM's presidency, and I think that's a good thing. ... I will watch with interest as candidates are revealed -- assuming the search is not a secret one, a la MS State

Following the selection of General Foglesong as MSU president, didn't Meredith  state that he favored a secret search and intended to employ the same procedure again?  If the USM search is officially underway now,  even if secret,  wouldn't it be mentioned in IHL minutes? 


AE



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Alias wrote: Alias is my new posting name. I have posted under other noms in the past. I fully support the registration for posting. ...     *an examination of the move to do away with regional accreditation and move a a national accreditatin process.     ... Alias, is there a reason why you would not inform us of your past name(s)?  I haven't hear about the move to "a national accreditation process".  Can you elaborate on this for us who are not informed? Thanks.
The national accreditation proposal comes from the Commission on the Future of Higher Education. Check out a Chronicle of Higher Education article, by Kelly Field, 7-7-06, about the report of the Commission. Other interesting recommendations are also included. A further search in the Chronicle will reveal other info about the work of the Commission.

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Chauncey DePree wrote:
Thanks for advice about problems reading USMPride.com. The following appears on the webpage: For readers using Mozilla Firefox who are having trouble accessing pdfs, please see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Adobe_Reader#Method_2_.28Firefox_only.29. It is a simple process: Open your Mozilla application’s installation directory, open the Plugins folder and ensure that the file "nppdf32.dll" is not present. If it is, remove it (or rename "nppdf32.dll" to "Xnppdf32.dll").

Thanks again.


Cher professeur,

When one wishes to impart information, one takes the responsibility to make that information accessible. One does not ask others to make the complicated adjustments. Our dear friend Invictus has explained what needs to be done. It it your own job to do it. Or as a recent visitor to chez de Guerre put it, somewhat bluntly, "tell him to fix his flippin' webpage if he wants people to read it." I thought that was unmannerly but succint. Miss Angleterre would be horrified.

a bientot,

M. de G.

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Alias wrote:


Alias is my new posting name. I have posted under other noms in the past.


I fully support the registration for posting. I certainly understand why there are those that do not want, or cannot, post using their real names. The new policy will help us get down real important issues.


It's time for some new topics. I suggest:


    *an examination of the move to do away with regional accreditation and move a a national accreditatin process.


    *how we can really impact the selection process for our new president.


    *what will really happen to USM on the Coast?


    *what is the "realistic future" of our institution?


    * a look at that Quest For The Mace novel. (not that this is impt. but it would be interesting)


And as far as usmpride, I cannot access but half of this site. I am a CS user, I go to the site and get only the right side of the posting. Nothing I do can correct this. I will try IE. I am open minded and would really like to know what is so important that these guys hijack everything.


I support open and free discussion in a civilized manner. I will try to be more civilized than I have been in the postings that I have made in the past.


We have a lot to do before May 20, 2007. You guys that take the summer off, get involved.




So, we quibble over whether the board is dead or not. Why? We are not discussing relevant topics such as those listed above. There are numerous other topics in addition to these that need to be discussed.


I have found the Depree postings interesting although I don't agree with his hijacking methods. That's a price we pay for free speech. We need to keep the board open and adhere to the concept that free speech and "administration in the sunshine" is best for all of us.


You guys that took the summer off....hurry back. The heat has gotten to the rest of us.



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Alias wrote:

Alias wrote:


Alias is my new posting name. I have posted under other noms in the past.


I fully support the registration for posting. I certainly understand why there are those that do not want, or cannot, post using their real names. The new policy will help us get down real important issues.


It's time for some new topics. I suggest:


    *an examination of the move to do away with regional accreditation and move a a national accreditatin process.


    *how we can really impact the selection process for our new president.


    *what will really happen to USM on the Coast?


    *what is the "realistic future" of our institution?


    * a look at that Quest For The Mace novel. (not that this is impt. but it would be interesting)


And as far as usmpride, I cannot access but half of this site. I am a CS user, I go to the site and get only the right side of the posting. Nothing I do can correct this. I will try IE. I am open minded and would really like to know what is so important that these guys hijack everything.


I support open and free discussion in a civilized manner. I will try to be more civilized than I have been in the postings that I have made in the past.


We have a lot to do before May 20, 2007. You guys that take the summer off, get involved.




So, we quibble over whether the board is dead or not. Why? We are not discussing relevant topics such as those listed above. There are numerous other topics in addition to these that need to be discussed.




Alias,

Personally, I think the regional vs national accreditation debate is quite interesting. But what the heck? After about four posts, the thread would become another advertisement for a website that won't work in my browser.

Vic


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YOu know, it don't work for me neither. Why don't the feller just fix the thing and then everbody could see what he's got to say.

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Personally, I think the regional vs national accreditation debate is quite interesting. But what the heck? After about four posts, the thread would become another advertisement for a website that won't work in my browser.

What is the advantage of national accreditation? In going through accreditations at both University of Alabama and USM by AACSB a national, and SACS a regional, I found very little difference. Administrators asked faculty to generate mounds of paperwork which is then edited by administrators. Administrators hand pick the few faulty that interact with the accreditation team and the team leaves. The process used by the regional and national has no random selection of people to talk to or verify the accuracy of the information presented. Moreover, I have heard many faculty, and some administrators, suggest that a USM or higher level school is too big to fail. I would be interested in hearing from others on this issue.

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Cossack wrote:

Personally, I think the regional vs national accreditation debate is quite interesting. But what the heck? After about four posts, the thread would become another advertisement for a website that won't work in my browser. What is the advantage of national accreditation? In going through accreditations at both University of Alabama and USM by AACSB a national, and SACS a regional, I found very little difference. Administrators asked faculty to generate mounds of paperwork which is then edited by administrators. Administrators hand pick the few faulty that interact with the accreditation team and the team leaves. The process used by the regional and national has no random selection of people to talk to or verify the accuracy of the information presented. Moreover, I have heard many faculty, and some administrators, suggest that a USM or higher level school is too big to fail. I would be interested in hearing from others on this issue.


Just check the Chronicle of Higher Education website regarding the Spelling Report. I don't have time to babysit you guys. Check it out.


Glad to see you are interested in something meaningful.



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Well, I don't know whether this is what the Aliasified Babysitter is referring to, but here's an interesting draft (7/14/06):

http://www.ed.gov/about/bdscomm/list/hiedfuture/reports/0714-draft.pdf

(Cut and paste to your browser.)

I'm just scanning it, but here are some pithy little quotes. Remember, though, that they are the product of the Secretary of the Department of Education & as such, represent the sentiments of a President that has consistently demonstrated its commitment to increasing "accountability" while systematically choking off funding. (Another way to put this is, "If you think 'No Child Left Behind' is improving American education, talk to any K-12 teacher." Or better yet, talk to Kinky Friedman!)


The combination of enrollment pressures and funding declines is putting great stress on our historic capacity to assess and maintain quality in higher education. Traditionally institutions protect quality through inputs (admissions standards) and resources (low student-faculty ratios and small classes). In today’s environment, these techniques are no longer viable, either within individual institutions or across all of higher education. Despite increases in institutional and accreditation agency attention to student learning results, we still do not have good bottom line measures of learning outcomes which allow us to know whether as a nation we are moving forward or backwards in strengthening our attention to student learning.


The above quote raises one question for me. Why are the traditional techniques of protecting quality through admissions standards & low faculty-student ratios "no longer viable?" What cultural changes have made these strategies no longer viable & should we accept these changes or fight them? Obviously, the federal gummint doesn't want to fight them.

More later...

-- Edited by Invictus at 18:39, 2006-07-30

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*an examination of the move to do away with regional accreditation and move a a national accreditatin process.

You suggest an interesting topic and I asked you a question about the topic. Like the good colleague you are, you reply Just check the Chronicle of Higher Education website regarding the Spelling Report. I don't have time to babysit you guys. Check it out.

You state that it is an important topic and you do not know enough to answer an inquiry. Like many of the hit and run posters, you are all hat and no cattle.

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*an examination of the move to do away with regional accreditation and move a a national accreditatin process.

You suggest an interesting topic and I asked you a question about the topic. Like the good colleague you are, you reply Just check the Chronicle of Higher Education website regarding the Spelling Report. I don't have time to babysit you guys. Check it out.

You state that it is an important topic and you do not know enough to answer an inquiry. Like many of the hit and run posters, you are all hat and no cattle.


Cossack, quit throwing stones & engage in the conversation (i.e., ignore Alias, who actually posted something of interest).

One advantage of the regional approach (at least according to CHEA http://www.chea.org/) is that accreditation should be "self policing." Organizations like SACS are composed of "member organizations" that approve the rules & ostensibly enforce them. The great fear with national accreditation is that it might result in actual enforcement. (Did anyone really think that USM -- or Auburn before it -- would really lose its regional accreditation?)

As I see it, the chief actual drawback to national accreditation is that the standards would be legislated & overseen by political appointees. I'm the last guy to accuse Senators & Congressmen of being habitually deep thinkers. And try to imagine the situation if national accreditation was directed, say, by a failed former coordinator of Arabian horse show judging.



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Invictus,

Thanks for your reply. It appears that the devil we have may be better, such as it is, than the devil we would be getting with a national approach. Another factor that might affect a university like USM is the national bias against the South.

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*an examination of the move to do away with regional accreditation and move a a national accreditatin process. You suggest an interesting topic and I asked you a question about the topic. Like the good colleague you are, you reply Just check the Chronicle of Higher Education website regarding the Spelling Report. I don't have time to babysit you guys. Check it out. You state that it is an important topic and you do not know enough to answer an inquiry. Like many of the hit and run posters, you are all hat and no cattle.


I have checked it out, studied the issue, and reached a conclusion. If I don't have the technical expertise to link you to it, I apoligize. It is an issue that every institution, including USM, needs to be aware of.


Again, a review of articles in the CHE might be helpful. I apoligize to you regarding the babysit comment. Hope you accept.



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Cossack wrote:

Thanks for your reply. It appears that the devil we have may be better, such as it is, than the devil we would be getting with a national approach. Another factor that might affect a university like USM is the national bias against the South.


I found the report to which I linked earlier interesting in that it called for a national "consumer" database of information about colleges & universities. What I found interesting about this is that the USDoE has been funding such a service for a long time, fueled by the mandatory IPEDS reports. The downside is that, while there are data definitions published, there is precious little done to validate what institutions submit. For example, if you were to peruse the IPEDS "Cool Tool" http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cool you'd find interesting things that might be useful in determining an institution's "effectiveness."

For example, for the most recent data collection USM reported a 48% graduation rate (first-time freshmen monitored 6 years after entry), while MSU reported 58% & UM reported 54%. Moreover, the retention of full-time freshmen at both MSU & UM was 81%, while at USM it was 75%. For part-time freshmen, USM has a 14% retention rate, while UM retains 69% & MSU retains 50%. (The latter may be real or it may be a problem with reporting -- again, very little is done to validate what institutions submit. But the numbers are out there if one knows where to find 'em.)

There are bunches of other "consumer-oriented" stats available. Visit the site & click the pretty widgets.

My point is that certain aspects of what could be construed at some point as the basis for national accreditation are already in place...

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Hey folks!


This national standard issue is a potentially hazardous one. Although there are some good reasons to be interested in evaluating whether colleges and universities deliver what they promise, a great deal of the drive for national standards is politically driven . . . . meaning there are a number of not so concealed agendas underlying the call for "reform."


It's good to be back -- although I'm going to be fairly busy this year and probably won't be able to post quite as much.


Best wishes to all.



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It's good to be back -- although I'm going to be fairly busy this year and probably won't be able to post quite as much.

I am glad you are back. However, you need to get your priorities straight. Part of your job is to enlighten us with your wisdom and perspective. We cannot have you falling down on your job.

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