CL, 6/11/06: School strives to recover - USM Forum -- Message Board

Date: Jun 11, 2006

CL, 6/11/06: School strives to recover

Date: Jun 11, 2006

Let's hope that those who have always been Coast faculty, who were brought up to Hattiesburg to work after Katrina and given temporary living quarters (since they had destroyed homes on the Coast) will now be able to return to the Coast, be given their classes back, and allowed the opportunity to spend more time in the repair of their homes.

Date: Jun 11, 2006

The Gulf Coast Campus has become a Country Club of sorts. Unable to attract faculty equal to those in Hattiesburg of late, the Coast has begun to use "personality" as a major criterion in selecting new faculty -- not whether or not the individual is a good teacher or researcher, but whether or not the person will be a good addition to the Country Club. Prior to Katrina, the status quo at Gulf Park was to remain silent, to put in the bare miniumum effort at the work, and to enjoy life as a resident of the "happening" part of the state.

Coast faculty knew what the Coast Campus was when they were hired. Tim Hudson instilled the idea that the Coast should be its own operation, separate from Hattiesburg, and many Coast faculty bought into it. The best thing that could happen is for the USM Coast operation to be shut down. That way, the dead wood that pervades that place can be jettisoned, while those who have actually done the work at Gulf Park (teaching, research, and service) could be picked up to work through the Universities Center concept.

The Coast Campus was a bad idea. Now is the time to rid ourselves of this albatross and the fleas that inhabit it.

Date: Jun 11, 2006

Under the current and projected working and living conditions on the coast, the university is fortunate to have the faculty it does. Recruiting new faculty would be very difficult without a campus and normal office space.

Date: Jun 11, 2006

Have you seen the CVs of Coast faculty hired between around 1999 and 2005? Give me a break! Some of these faculty are STILL writing and teaching at the highest levels of both quality and quantity. Get your facts straight. I can't speak for all colleges or all departments there, but for sure the above is true in my department and college.

As to Tim Hudson being the one who wanted the coast to be separate, again, give me a break! LONG before Tim or Shelby's presidency there was Jim Williams and Joe Hill, a campus VP and campus Dean who worked tirelessly to convince Hattiesburg to "allow" the Coast campus to do some unique things and grow into a true satellite based in large part on the model of Auburn Univ Montgomery -- where Jim had been president. They pushed years ago for separate SACS accreditation for the Coast and by some accounts had Horace Fleming nearly convinced...which may have been one of his many downfalls.

Not A Member of the Country Club wrote:

The Gulf Coast Campus has become a Country Club of sorts. Unable to attract faculty equal to those in Hattiesburg of late, the Coast has begun to use "personality" as a major criterion in selecting new faculty -- not whether or not the individual is a good teacher or researcher, but whether or not the person will be a good addition to the Country Club. Prior to Katrina, the status quo at Gulf Park was to remain silent, to put in the bare miniumum effort at the work, and to enjoy life as a resident of the "happening" part of the state.

Coast faculty knew what the Coast Campus was when they were hired. Tim Hudson instilled the idea that the Coast should be its own operation, separate from Hattiesburg, and many Coast faculty bought into it. The best thing that could happen is for the USM Coast operation to be shut down. That way, the dead wood that pervades that place can be jettisoned, while those who have actually done the work at Gulf Park (teaching, research, and service) could be picked up to work through the Universities Center concept.

The Coast Campus was a bad idea. Now is the time to rid ourselves of this albatross and the fleas that inhabit it.

Date: Jun 11, 2006

I object! wrote:

Have you seen the CVs of Coast faculty hired between around 1999 and 2005? Give me a break! Some of these faculty are STILL writing and teaching at the highest levels of both quality and quantity. Get your facts straight. I can't speak for all colleges or all departments there, but for sure the above is true in my department and college.

As to Tim Hudson being the one who wanted the coast to be separate, again, give me a break! LONG before Tim or Shelby's presidency there was Jim Williams and Joe Hill, a campus VP and campus Dean who worked tirelessly to convince Hattiesburg to "allow" the Coast campus to do some unique things and grow into a true satellite based in large part on the model of Auburn Univ Montgomery -- where Jim had been president. They pushed years ago for separate SACS accreditation for the Coast and by some accounts had Horace Fleming nearly convinced...which may have been one of his many downfalls.

Strictly speaking, there are very few at USM (in its entirety) who publish at the highest levels of quality, and even fewer who are at the Coast campus. Perhaps if you water down the "highest levels of scholarship", then you may find a somewhat reasonable number.

I have seen the vitas of most of the faculty in my college and, with perhaps one exception, saying that Coast campus faculty vitas are equal to Hattiesburg campus faculty vitas would be a real stretch.

None of this really matters, since the Coast campus is soon to be a bus station with Grayhounds arriving from Oxford and Trailways arriving from Starkville. Good riddance to that albatross.

Date: Jun 13, 2006

I think this "country club" label, also perpetuated by Southern Justice, came about from a COB search. A HUGE field of applicants was whittled down to three BY THE DEPARTMENT IN HATTIESBURG. All three finalists were very qualified. When asked for feedback, the COB Gulf Coast said they really liked this one applicant (who, by the way, had an Ivy League pedigree) because he was very easy to get along with. The other two, although equally qualified, were perceived to be less personable.

When this feedback was vocalized, the department in Hattiesburg made an amplified, exaggerated case out of it. I think the screams of "country club" originated there.

To the COB Gulf Coast, it has never been clear why their feedback was perceived to be so unprofessional by the department in H'burg. If a huge field has been narrowed to three strong, professionally qualified applicants, can't you pick one that'll also be great colleague? It isn't clear that the department in Hattiesburg behaves any differently. Just anecdotally, how else would one explain so many faculty with U of Alabama ties?

In all fairness, some of the appointments in the COB Gulf Coast have been handed down from Hattiesburg due to political/familial favoritism. H'burg appointed the person with long "family ties" to a position down there. The faculty down there strongly opposed this very "country club" appointment.

Also, just for the record, the COB Gulf Coast lost both of these battles. There are plenty of others I could mention, as well. To the extent that they have--in your opinion--tried to implement the "country club" mentality (which they haven't), you must admit they haven't been very successful at it.

Not A Member of the Country Club wrote:

The Gulf Coast Campus has become a Country Club of sorts. Unable to attract faculty equal to those in Hattiesburg of late, the Coast has begun to use "personality" as a major criterion in selecting new faculty -- not whether or not the individual is a good teacher or researcher, but whether or not the person will be a good addition to the Country Club. Prior to Katrina, the status quo at Gulf Park was to remain silent, to put in the bare miniumum effort at the work, and to enjoy life as a resident of the "happening" part of the state. Coast faculty knew what the Coast Campus was when they were hired. Tim Hudson instilled the idea that the Coast should be its own operation, separate from Hattiesburg, and many Coast faculty bought into it. The best thing that could happen is for the USM Coast operation to be shut down. That way, the dead wood that pervades that place can be jettisoned, while those who have actually done the work at Gulf Park (teaching, research, and service) could be picked up to work through the Universities Center concept. The Coast Campus was a bad idea. Now is the time to rid ourselves of this albatross and the fleas that inhabit it.

Date: Jun 13, 2006

Not A Member of the Country Club wrote:

Strictly speaking, there are very few at USM (in its entirety) who publish at the highest levels of quality

I seriously doubt that you are capable of making such a judgment.

Date: Jun 13, 2006

Has this person ever heard of the English and History departments? The publication level in just these two departments is (or has been) very impressive for a school at USM's level. Of course, the Dome has done its best to change that, starting with losing Gary's Donne grant.

Date: Jun 13, 2006

You may not like the tone of what the poster says, but you have to admit that publishing at the highest levels is not widespread at USM. It can't be by definition.

Date: Jun 13, 2006

Art Vandalay wrote:

I think this "country club" label, also perpetuated by Southern Justice, came about from a COB search. A HUGE field of applicants was whittled down to three BY THE DEPARTMENT IN HATTIESBURG. All three finalists were very qualified. When asked for feedback, the COB Gulf Coast said they really liked this one applicant (who, by the way, had an Ivy League pedigree) because he was very easy to get along with. The other two, although equally qualified, were perceived to be less personable. When this feedback was vocalized, the department in Hattiesburg made an amplified, exaggerated case out of it. I think the screams of "country club" originated there. To the COB Gulf Coast, it has never been clear why their feedback was perceived to be so unprofessional by the department in H'burg. If a huge field has been narrowed to three strong, professionally qualified applicants, can't you pick one that'll also be great colleague? It isn't clear that the department in Hattiesburg behaves any differently. Just anecdotally, how else would one explain so many faculty with U of Alabama ties? In all fairness, some of the appointments in the COB Gulf Coast have been handed down from Hattiesburg due to political/familial favoritism. H'burg appointed the person with long "family ties" to a position down there. The faculty down there strongly opposed this very "country club" appointment. Also, just for the record, the COB Gulf Coast lost both of these battles. There are plenty of others I could mention, as well. To the extent that they have--in your opinion--tried to implement the "country club" mentality (which they haven't), you must admit they haven't been very successful at it. Not A Member of the Country Club wrote: The Gulf Coast Campus has become a Country Club of sorts. Unable to attract faculty equal to those in Hattiesburg of late, the Coast has begun to use "personality" as a major criterion in selecting new faculty -- not whether or not the individual is a good teacher or researcher, but whether or not the person will be a good addition to the Country Club. Prior to Katrina, the status quo at Gulf Park was to remain silent, to put in the bare miniumum effort at the work, and to enjoy life as a resident of the "happening" part of the state. Coast faculty knew what the Coast Campus was when they were hired. Tim Hudson instilled the idea that the Coast should be its own operation, separate from Hattiesburg, and many Coast faculty bought into it. The best thing that could happen is for the USM Coast operation to be shut down. That way, the dead wood that pervades that place can be jettisoned, while those who have actually done the work at Gulf Park (teaching, research, and service) could be picked up to work through the Universities Center concept. The Coast Campus was a bad idea. Now is the time to rid ourselves of this albatross and the fleas that inhabit it.

Actually, the person who was eventually hired has the best vita among those in business on the Coast campus.

Date: Jun 13, 2006

Art Vandalay wrote:

I think this "country club" label, also perpetuated by Southern Justice, came about from a COB search. A HUGE field of applicants was whittled down to three BY THE DEPARTMENT IN HATTIESBURG. All three finalists were very qualified. When asked for feedback, the COB Gulf Coast said they really liked this one applicant (who, by the way, had an Ivy League pedigree) because he was very easy to get along with. The other two, although equally qualified, were perceived to be less personable.
When this feedback was vocalized, the department in Hattiesburg made an amplified, exaggerated case out of it. I think the screams of "country club" originated there.
To the COB Gulf Coast, it has never been clear why their feedback was perceived to be so unprofessional by the department in H'burg. If a huge field has been narrowed to three strong, professionally qualified applicants, can't you pick one that'll also be great colleague? It isn't clear that the department in Hattiesburg behaves any differently. Just anecdotally, how else would one explain so many faculty with U of Alabama ties?
In all fairness, some of the appointments in the COB Gulf Coast have been handed down from Hattiesburg due to political/familial favoritism. H'burg appointed the person with long "family ties" to a position down there. The faculty down there strongly opposed this very "country club" appointment.
Also, just for the record, the COB Gulf Coast lost both of these battles. There are plenty of others I could mention, as well. To the extent that they have--in your opinion--tried to implement the "country club" mentality (which they haven't), you must admit they haven't been very successful at it.

Let me clear up a couple of LIES perpetuated by Art Vandelay. The facts are taken from Economics faculty members, the internet, and my ability to count.

1. The Economics department "whittled" down a pool of candidates to three assistant professor candidates: one with experience at another university (no ties to USM), one with experience at his doctoral institution only (with ties to a USMGC Economics faculty member), and one with an Ivy-League pedigree and other "favorable" characteristics (ABD from Brown, African (not African-American, though), no ties to USM). Prior to the departmental vote, the Associate Dean announced that the candidate from Brown was the Dean's (Doty's) favorite. The department voted and selected the candidate with experience over the other two. A MARKETING professor from USMGC called the Economics chair to complain that the candidate selected possessed a personality that didn't fit in with the USMGC faculty as well as the candidate from Brown's did. [Note that the individual expressing an opinion has no basis to judge the candidates' relative merits in their chosen field]. The fact that another department began to voice strong opposition to the hire based on personality and not on merit began the "Country Club" line of thought with respect to USMGC, at least here in the CoB.

2. In the CoB, there are

5 graduates of Mississippi State
4 each from: LSU and Louisiana Tech
3 Each from: Auburn, Arkansas, Kentucky, Texas A&M, Florida State, and Virginia Tech
2 each from: Alabama, Ole Miss, and Tennessee

So what's your point about having too many from Alabama?

Date: Jun 13, 2006

CoBster in Residence wrote:

So what's your point about having too many from Alabama?

I said "ties," not degrees. Aren't those two in the same department? Plus, one of the recent additions was denied tenure there. I heard this new hire was a former prof of some faculty in that department.

Date: Jun 13, 2006

CoBster in Residence wrote:

Let me clear up a couple of LIES perpetuated by Art Vandelay. The facts are taken from Economics faculty members, the internet, and my ability to count. 1. The Economics department "whittled" down a pool of candidates to three assistant professor candidates: one with experience at another university (no ties to USM), one with experience at his doctoral institution only (with ties to a USMGC Economics faculty member), and one with an Ivy-League pedigree and other "favorable" characteristics (ABD from Brown, African (not African-American, though), no ties to USM). Prior to the departmental vote, the Associate Dean announced that the candidate from Brown was the Dean's (Doty's) favorite. The department voted and selected the candidate with experience over the other two. A MARKETING professor from USMGC called the Economics chair to complain that the candidate selected possessed a personality that didn't fit in with the USMGC faculty as well as the candidate from Brown's did. [Note that the individual expressing an opinion has no basis to judge the candidates' relative merits in their chosen field]. The fact that another department began to voice strong opposition to the hire based on personality and not on merit began the "Country Club" line of thought with respect to USMGC, at least here in the CoB. 2. In the CoB, there are 5 graduates of Mississippi State 4 each from: LSU and Louisiana Tech 3 Each from: Auburn, Arkansas, Kentucky, Texas A&M, Florida State, and Virginia Tech 2 each from: Alabama, Ole Miss, and Tennessee So what's your point about having too many from Alabama?

I thought the one from India was the dean's choice. I heard that, although he graduated from the same institution as the USMGC Econ faculty member, that was the extent of their "ties."

Date: Jun 13, 2006

Art Vandalay wrote:

I said "ties," not degrees. Aren't those two in the same department? Plus, one of the recent additions was denied tenure there. I heard this new hire was a former prof of some faculty in that department.

The new hire is in economics, the others you are speaking of are on the finance side. Hence, they did not participate in the search, that was handled completely by Carter and Sawyer on the eco side. The new hire has a Washington University degree. Don't you like pedigree?

Add all the people with MSU ties to those with MSU degrees and MSU is still the big leader. Toss in the fact that MSU is Tier III and Alabama is Tier II, and it gets even worse. You might even begin to conclude that USM needs even more people with Alabama ties than it has.

Niroomand told the crowds that the Dean wanted the man from Brown, not the one from Memphis. Can you imagine Doty pushing for a PhD from Memphis? Not bloody likely.

Date: Jun 13, 2006

Art Vandalay wrote:

CoBster in Residence wrote:
So what's your point about having too many from Alabama?

I said "ties," not degrees. Aren't those two in the same department? Plus, one of the recent additions was denied tenure there. I heard this new hire was a former prof of some faculty in that department.

There are 3 LSU folks in the same department (2 in Mkt, 1 in Mgt), and there are 2 accountants from LA Tech, 2 Marketing people from LA Tech, one guy in management used to be at Mississippi State...there's another MSU "tie" for you...and there's two more MSU Ph.D.s in Management, two Auburn guys in Management, two accountants from Kentucky, and two Virginia Tech people in Tourism Management. For every CoB faculty tie to the University of Alabama, I can provide at least one to Mississippi State University. But don't let little things like facts get in your way. Doty has some kind of hatred for the Alabama that doesn't have anything to do with anything except his petty little personal agenda. The bottom line is that there are fewer "ties" to Alabama in the CoB than there are to several other schools in the Southeast.

The new hire in economics never taught either of the Alabama people who are at USM, nor anybody from Alabama who has been on the faculty at USM in the past 5 years, so your info is wrong again.

Date: Jun 13, 2006

Huh? wrote:

I thought the one from India was the dean's choice. I heard that, although he graduated from the same institution as the USMGC Econ faculty member, that was the extent of their "ties."

You thought wrong. Doty wanted that Brown Ph.D. as a line item on his vita --

"2004 - Brought the second Ivy League Ph.D. holder to Southern Miss."

-- although the guy didn't have degree in hand.

Date: Jun 13, 2006

Didn't Doty tell the people at USF he hired the first ever African-American woman in the history of USM's business school? I believe he did. Is she American?

Date: Jun 13, 2006

Not A Member of the Country Club wrote:

Strictly speaking, there are very few at USM (in its entirety) who publish at the highest levels of quality, and even fewer who are at the Coast campus. Perhaps if you water down the "highest levels of scholarship", then you may find a somewhat reasonable number.

I have seen the vitas of most of the faculty in my college and, with perhaps one exception, saying that Coast campus faculty vitas are equal to Hattiesburg campus faculty vitas would be a real stretch.

None of this really matters, since the Coast campus is soon to be a bus station with Grayhounds arriving from Oxford and Trailways arriving from Starkville. Good riddance to that albatross.

I've got a couple of points to make:

1. Researchers: Strictly speaking, there is no one in the entire state of Mississippi who has achieved a scholarly record of the "highest levels of quality." A quick search of the membership lists of the National Academy of Sciences and American Academy of Arts and Sciences shows no members in the state of Mississippi. Ditto for the American Academy of Arts and Letters (sorry Elizabeth Spencer doesn’t count—she lives in Chapel Hill, and Shelby Foote and Eurdora Welty are dead). Those organizations recognize the best, and we don’t have ‘em. Short of that, I work with some very sharp and ambitious scholars. Sadly, most of them are on the job market, but, still, we've got some very good people here at USM.

2. The Coast Faculty: I understand that a message board is a great outlet for one's frustrations, but anonymously slandering the Coast faculty is not only a disreputable act, its empirically wrong. I've chaired a coast faculty search (in 2000) and sat on many hiring and T&P committees. We've hired some promising scholars on the coast. I don't see any real difference between the two campuses in quality of hires in the CoAL department’s with which I’m familiar: we've got PhD's from Oxford (the real one in England), Vanderbilt, Maryland, Iowa, Texas, Illinois. Good people from good places.

3. Sweeping Condemnations: Mr. Not in a country club (or whatever). I could engage in my own similar slander. I could say how, at my graduate university (a top twenty institution), many of the folks in the Finance PhD program were those who couldn't handle the rigor of Econ, or how the one fellow I knew in the Management PhD program had his fellowship in Sociology yanked so he moved to the B-School, and how he’s quipped ever since that he’s making twice the money for half the effort. I could say these things, but I won't because they're not true. I just now made them up.

My point is that sweeping condemnations of whole classes of people are easy to make—you can even make them seem plausible, but in these cases, mine and yours, they are completely without merit.

Date: Jun 13, 2006

For those who are interested in facts, here is a list of CoB faculty by University of Highest Degree Earned (Listed) on the USM CoB Website, June 13, 2006:

Auburn University
Gregory, Brian (Management)
Michael, Daniel (Management)
Mixon, Frank (Economics)

Chinese University of Hong Kong
Yang, Jie (Management)

City University of Hong Kong
Lai, Fujun (Information Systems)
Shi, Weihua (Economics/Finance)

Cornell University
Klinedinst, Mark (Economics)

Florida Atlantic University
Peyrefitte, Joseph (Management)

Florida International University
Wilson, Ernie (Tourism)

Florida State University
Daniel, Francis (Management)
Green, Trellis (Economics)
Rambo, Rob (Accounting)

Georgia State University
Osmonbekov, Talai (Marketing)

Illinois Institute of Technology
Chen, Kuo Lane (Information Systems)

Iowa State University
Kozar, Joy (Fashion)
Monchuk, Daniel (Economics)

Louisiana State University
Babin, Barry (Marketing)
Babin, Laurie (Marketing)
Duhon, David L. (Management)
Smith, Robert (Accounting)

Louisiana Tech University
Anderson, Mary (Accounting)
Jordan, Charles (Accounting)
Lopez, Tara (Marketing)
Smith, William C. (Marketing)

Michigan State University
Niroomand, Farhang (Economics)

Mississippi State University
Bushardt, Stephen C. (Management)
Carr, Jon (Management)
Fennell, Wanda (Management)
LaFleur, Beth (Marketing)
Lewis, Stan (Information Systems)

Pennsylvania State University
Hwang, Johye (Tourism)

Purdue University
Lo, Melody (Economics)
Tseh-Hsieh, Chang (Information Systems)

Syracuse University
Tang, Linghui (International Business)

Texas A&M University
Carter, George (Economics)
Henderson, Jim (Accounting)
Nissan, Edward (Economics)

Texas Tech University
Malik, Farooq (Economics)

Tulane University
Black, Ty (Economics)

University of Alabama
Clark, John (Finance)
Salter, Sean (Finance)

University of Alabama at Birmingham
Topping, Sharon (Management)

University of Arkansas
Sawyer, W. Charles (Economics)
Williams, Alvin (Marketing)
Zantow, Ken (Management)

University of Georgia
Lindley, Tom (Finance)

University of Houston
Albin, Marvin (Accounting)

University of Kentucky
Clark, Stan (Accounting)
Depree, Marc (Accounting)
Gunther, William (Economics)

University of Memphis
Sharp, David (Economics)

University of Miami
King, Ernest W. (Business Law)

University of Mississippi
Davis, Donna (Information Systems)
Henthorne, Tony (Marketing)

University of North Carolina at Greensboro
Roberts, Judith (Fashion)

University of Oregon
Wong, Sunny (Economics)

University of Pennsylvania
Eisenberg, Larry (Finance)
Hamwi, Alex (Insurance)

University of Southern Illinois
Magruder, J. Scott (Information Systems)

University of Southern Mississippi
Brown, John (Accounting)
Cartee, Charles (Real Estate)
Loyd, Dolly (Marketing)
Munn, Patricia (Accounting)
Sevier, Amy J. (Management)
Smith, Thomas (Tourism)

University of Tennessee
Burgess, Brigitte (Fashion)
Pate, Gwen (Accounting)

University of Texas
Doty, Harold (Management)

University of Texas at Arlington
Sequeira, Jennifer (Management)

Virginia Polytechnic and State University
Becker, Cheri (Tourism)
Hallab, Zaher (Tourism)
Hutchinson, Joe (Tourism)
Price, Catherine (Tourism)
Vest, Michael J. (Management)

Date: Jun 13, 2006

CiR,

Some see the USM model (at least the "traditional" one) as one where "personable" undergraduates are identified and "sent off" to do PhD work with the standing invitation to return upon completion as "agreeable" faculty members who can be placed into tenure tracks. To that end, your list does not interest me as much as one that provides information about the origin of the undergraduate degrees in the CoB.

Date: Jun 13, 2006

Ask and ye shall receive. Pay close attention to the USM category.

Arizona State University
Anderson, Mary (Accounting)

Auburn University
Mixon, Frank (Economics)

Clark University
Klinedinst, Mark (Economics)

Cornell University
Wilson, Ernie (Tourism)

Emory University
Osmonbekov, Talai (Marketing)

Florida State University
Davis, Donna (Information Systems)
Gregory, Brian (Management)
Smith, William C. (Marketing)

Harding College
Henderson, Jim (Accounting)

Kansas State University
Kozar, Joy (Fashion)

Kent State University
Gunther, William (Economics)

Kuming University of Science and Technology (China)
Lai, Fujun (Information Systems)
Yang, Jie (Management)

Louisiana State University
Babin, Barry (Marketing)
Smith, Robert (Accounting)

Louisiana Technological University
Lewis, Stan (Information Systems)

Marquette University
Sequeira, Jennifer (Management)

Michigan State University
Babin, Laurie (Marketing)

Mississippi College
Cartee, Charles (Real Estate)
Munn, Patricia (Accounting)

Mississippi State University
Albin, Marvin (Accounting)
Carr, Jon (Management)

Mississippi University for Women
Price, Catherine (Tourism)
Roberts, Judith (Fashion)

Nan Kai University (China)
Shi, Weihua (Economics/Finance)

National Chang-Chi University (China)
Chen, Kuo Lane (Information Systems)

National Taiwan University (Taiwan)
Hsieh, Chang-Tseh (Information Systems)

National Tsing-Hua University (Taiwan)
Lo, Melody (Economics)

National University of Iran
Niroomand, Farhang (Economics)

Ouachita Baptist University
Henthorne, Tony (Marketing)

Peking University (China)
Tang, Linghui (International Business)

Punjab University (India)
Malik, Farooq (Economics)

Seoul National University
Hwang, Johye (Tourism)

Southeastern Louisiana University
Lopez, Tara (Marketing)

Southern Illinois University
Zantow, Ken (Management)

Southwest Texas State University
Doty, Harold (Management)

St. Mary's University
Sawyer, W. Charles (Economics)

State University of New York -- Albany
Depree, Marc (Accounting)

Texas Technological University
Black, Ty (Economics)

United States Naval Academy
Daniel, Francis (Management)

University of Alabama
Clark, John (Finance)
Salter, Sean (Finance)

University of Arizona
Hallab, Zaher (Tourism)

University of Damascas
Hamwi, Alex (Insurance)

University of Florida
Peyrefitte, Joseph (Management)

University of Houston
Hutchinson, Joe (Tourism)

University of Illinois
Rambo, Rob (Accounting)

University of Kansas
Nissan, Edward (Economics)

University of Memphis
Sharp, David (Economics)

University of Michigan
Eisenberg, Larry (Finance)

University of North Carolina at Asheville
Lindley, Tom (Finance)

University of Oregon
Wong, Sunny (Economics)

University of Sasketchewan (Canada)
Monchuk, Daniel (Economics)

University of South Alabama
Michael, Daniel (Management)

University of South Carolina
Bushardt, Stephen C. (Management)

University of South Florida
King, Ernest W. (Business Law)

University of Southern Mississippi
Brown, John (Accounting)
Burgess, Brigitte (Fashion)
Carter, George (Economics)
Clark, Stan (Accounting)
Fennell, Wanda (Management)
Green, Trellis (Economics)
LaFleur, Beth (Marketing)
Loyd, Dolly (Marketing)
Magruder, J. Scott (Information Systems)
Pate, Gwen (Accounting)
Posey, Rod (Accounting)
Sevier, Amy J. (Management)
Smith, Thomas (Tourism)
Williams, Alvin (Marketing)

University of Southwestern Louisiana
Duhon, David L. (Management)

University of West Florida
Jordan, Charles (Accounting)

Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University
Becker, Cheri (Tourism)
Topping, Sharon (Management)

Date: Jun 13, 2006

boy, you must have time on your hands.

Date: Jun 13, 2006

Looks like "the model" is big in the CoB, just like I figured. The info on Doty sure explains a lot.

Date: Jun 13, 2006

You and me both, stinky. The phrase "too much information" comes to mind. If this is on the USM website, why did it need to be posted here?

Date: Jun 13, 2006

lvn--just the time it takes to organize it to post here is a bit amazing (or amusing).

Date: Jun 14, 2006

This from earlier on the board:

"As to Tim Hudson being the one who wanted the coast to be separate, again, give me a break! LONG before Tim or Shelby's presidency there was Jim Williams and Joe Hill, a campus VP and campus Dean who worked tirelessly to convince Hattiesburg to "allow" the Coast campus to do some unique things and grow into a true satellite based in large part on the model of Auburn Univ Montgomery -- where Jim had been president. They pushed years ago for separate SACS accreditation for the Coast and by some accounts had Horace Fleming nearly convinced...which may have been one of his many downfalls."

Seems like some still don't get it. OLD Miss and State were out to scuttle the USMGC campus. Fleming recognized that market and responded to the business people on the coast by pushing for more courses and programs here. That threatened Hattiesburg's business interests, like Bobby Chain and others. That's when they started to react.

Date: Jun 14, 2006

CoBster in Residence wrote:

2. In the CoB, there are
5 graduates of Mississippi State

Omigod! This explains everything. The Conspiracy Theory has just expanded!

Date: Jun 14, 2006

stick to the plan wrote:

CiR,
Some see the USM model (at least the "traditional" one) as one where "personable" undergraduates are identified and "sent off" to do PhD work with the standing invitation to return upon completion as "agreeable" faculty members who can be placed into tenure tracks. To that end, your list does not interest me as much as one that provides information about the origin of the undergraduate degrees in the CoB.

stick,

I guess "helper" beat me to the list, but I did some further analysis (again based on publicly available information). Somebody upthread started talking about "ties" not "degrees," so I put together a list of "ties" by university:

Florida State University -- 7 ties
Mississippi State University -- 7 ties
University of Alabama -- 6 ties
University of Arkansas -- 6 ties
Louisiana State University -- 5 ties
Louisiana Tech University -- 5 ties

no other school has more than 5 ties, except:

University of Southern Mississippi -- 18 ties

CiR

Date: Jun 14, 2006

CoBster in Residence wrote:

stick to the plan wrote:
CiR,
Some see the USM model (at least the "traditional" one) as one where "personable" undergraduates are identified and "sent off" to do PhD work with the standing invitation to return upon completion as "agreeable" faculty members who can be placed into tenure tracks. To that end, your list does not interest me as much as one that provides information about the origin of the undergraduate degrees in the CoB.

stick,

I guess "helper" beat me to the list, but I did some further analysis (again based on publicly available information). Somebody upthread started talking about "ties" not "degrees," so I put together a list of "ties" by university:

Florida State University -- 7 ties
Mississippi State University -- 7 ties
University of Alabama -- 6 ties
University of Arkansas -- 6 ties
Louisiana State University -- 5 ties
Louisiana Tech University -- 5 ties

no other school has more than 5 ties, except:

University of Southern Mississippi -- 18 ties

CiR

If true, then 24% (18 of the 74 previously listed) of the CoB has an undergrad/masters (or both) tie to USM? That's incredible! What quality university hires its own graduates to the tune of one-fourth?