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Date: Jun 26, 2004

RE: USM Eagle logo

Date: Jun 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Retired prof
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That's not exactly what happened.
In Exit 13, it is shown that 60 of 65 paragraphs of an article McCain published in the Journal of Mississippi History came directly from the Emory University masters thesis of one Frances Racine. He had never met Ms. Racine. She complained to the journal editor (to no avail) and finally to the AAUP and the American Historical Association. The latter group created a committee to investigate and they found that "Dr. McCain's article represents a violation of approved scholarly usage with respect to another author's literary property."
Jo Hailey
Retired and (I can't believe it but I got a letter yesterday) Professor Emeritus of Psychology!"

Congratulations Retired Prof.

I agree with what you wrote from Exit 13. (My copy is missing.)

What I was pointing out was, I believe I remember correctly, that McCain didn't actually do the research. His excuse,if I remember correctly, was that a grad student (masters Student) did the
"rersearch" (plagiarized) and McCain published it without checking. He said he didn't know the student plagiarized anothers thesis.

Date: Jun 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Retired prof
" Jo Hailey Retired and (I can't believe it but I got a letter yesterday) Professor Emeritus of Psychology!"

Whooo hoooo! Now you'll need to change your posting name from "Retired Prof" to "Professor Emeritus!" Many congrats on such terrific news.

No Quarter!

Date: Jun 26, 2004

Nit-picking comment of the week: is it "Professor Emerita" or am I just 50 years behind times? (Although I once had a serious disagreement over this very question and Emerita won.)

Date: Jun 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Retired prof
"
That's not exactly what happened.
In Exit 13, it is shown that 60 of 65 paragraphs of an article McCain published in the Journal of Mississippi History came directly from the Emory University masters thesis of one Frances Racine. He had never met Ms. Racine. She complained to the journal editor (to no avail) and finally to the AAUP and the American Historical Association. The latter group created a committee to investigate and they found that "Dr. McCain's article represents a violation of approved scholarly usage with respect to another author's literary property."
"

I may have mentioned this on the old board, but among my favorite graffiti on campus when I was a student was a big "MCCAIN PLAGIARIZES" painted on the board construction fence on the east side of the (then new) Johnson Science Tower.

Date: Jun 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: LVN
"Nit-picking comment of the week: is it "Professor Emerita" or am I just 50 years behind times? (Although I once had a serious disagreement over this very question and Emerita won.)"

I agree with you, Linda, but the letter says otherwise.

Jo

Date: Jun 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Invictus
" I may have mentioned this on the old board, but among my favorite graffiti on campus when I was a student was a big "MCCAIN PLAGIARIZES" painted on the board construction fence on the east side of the (then new) Johnson Science Tower. "

So the Night Chalker was around even in the olden days?

Date: Jun 26, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Just Plain Jane
"So the Night Chalker was around even in the olden days?"

The night chalker's père, more likely

Date: Jun 27, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Retired prof
" That's not exactly what happened. In Exit 13, it is shown that 60 of 65 paragraphs of an article McCain published in the Journal of Mississippi History came directly from the Emory University masters thesis of one Frances Racine. He had never met Ms. Racine. She complained to the journal editor (to no avail) and finally to the AAUP and the American Historical Association. The latter group created a committee to investigate and they found that "Dr. McCain's article represents a violation of approved scholarly usage with respect to another author's literary property." Jo Hailey Retired and (I can't believe it but I got a letter yesterday) Professor Emeritus of Psychology!"

you mean Billy McCain of the sons of confederate veterans? Unbelievable, a man of such high character!

http://www.templeofdemocracy.com/WilliamDMcCain.htm

Date: Jun 27, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Invictus
"

I may have mentioned this on the old board, but among my favorite graffiti on campus when I was a student was a big "MCCAIN PLAGIARIZES" painted on the board construction fence on the east side of the (then new) Johnson Science Tower.
"

Boy, that bring back memories. That was during the construction of JST and before the invention of chalk.

Date: Jun 27, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: beenthereseenit
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Now that was an interesting little website. And USM still has a building named after him. Yuck.

Date: Jun 27, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: educator
"Now that was an interesting little website. And USM still has a building named after him. Yuck."

And don't forget that SFT credits McCain for his success. When "interviewing" for the USM president's job, SFT said something along the lines of "When I wanted to start a polymers program separate from Chemistry, I went to McCain and he told me: 'Just don't do anything to embarrass me.' I've been living with that command my entire career." SFT meant that little blast from the past to lend him some credibility.

Speaking of racists and USM, don't forget the Sovereignty Commission activities of M.M. Roberts (as in the man that the football stadium is named after and a former attorney and IHL Board member from Hattiesburg). Look up Sovereignty Commission details and persons online at: http://mdah.state.ms.us/arlib/contents/er/index.html

Date: Jun 27, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Green Hornet
" Front page of the HA has U of Iowa asking USM to change it's logo."

A great USM history, written by USM Archivist Yvonne Arnold, ". . . new name was Mississippi Southern College . . . with the name change, the nickname of the athletic teams was changed from "Yellow Jackets" to "Southerners." I seriously doubt that Georiga Tech gave a rat's whatever about USM using the name Yellow Jackets. What utter nonsense this concern about whether a school's logo depicts its mascot holding up its hind leg or its hind end. Sure, I know why this is occurs. It pertains to $$$$$ and copyrighting. Given this rush toward commercialization and economic development, heaven help USM if its faculty members are encouraged to copyright their lectures and examinations, sell them, and include such accomplishments on their annual faculty reports. I doubt that St. Louis University or the University of Delaware will ever have problems with their respective mascots. After all, whoever would want to have a mascot like the "Billikens" (St. Louis University) or the "Blue Hens" (University of Delaware)? Speaking of mascots, has that beautiful Golden Eagle USM housed across campus ever been replaced? Is the cage still there? I recall that beautiful bird being brought into the basketball coleseum during games.

Date: Jun 27, 2004

Sadly the MS Dept of Wildlife and Fisheries will not grant USM a licenses to care for an endangered raptor. The situation surrounding Nugget's death was fishy to say the least.

The avaiory where Nugget lived is no longer there, now the new Dubard School sits atop the former site.

Date: Jun 27, 2004

The true story of Nugget's death was that Ron Phillips, former Alumni Director, had a grad student who was hired to feed and care for Nugget. Apparently, the grad student left the job in the middle of the semester, Phillips forgot to replace him, and Nugget starved to death.

This is the reason why USM is not allowed to have any more golden eagles.

Date: Jun 27, 2004

Speaking of racists and USM, don't forget the Sovereignty Commission activities of M.M. Roberts (as in the man that the football stadium is named after and a former attorney and IHL Board member from Hattiesburg). Look up Sovereignty Commission details and persons online at: http://mdah. state.ms.us/arlib/contents/er/index.html

i hope this thread doesn't go too far. there is at least one prominent member of the faculty who was described to me when i was hired here as "our resident racist." there may be a lot of skeletons on the faculty.

Date: Jun 27, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH
"The true story of Nugget's death was that Ron Phillips, former Alumni Director, had a grad student who was hired to feed and care for Nugget. Apparently, the grad student left the job in the middle of the semester, Phillips forgot to replace him, and Nugget starved to death. This is the reason why USM is not allowed to have any more golden eagles."

Thanks for clearing that up, Seeker and Truth4USM. I suppose Tulane would not have a problem with the authorities who regulate the care of protected species in captivity, given that Tulane is "Green Wave" and Green Waves are not considered to be a protected species. At the time of that incident, perhaps USM should adopted an unprotected species for mascot. Better yet, perhaps USM should have adopted a non- animate mascot such as did Tulane. Then there would be no battle with Iowa for the new USM logo, and no concern from the authorities who regulate the care of caged members of protected species. A school that can survive changing its mascot from "Yellow Jackets," then to "Southerners," and then to "Golden Eagle" within a relatively short period of time, can surely undergo another mascot change, particulary when they are prohibited from keeping a member of the species of their current mascot. Now here I am getting into this thing deeper than I intended. All I am trying to say is that there are better ways to do things than to make decisions which will get you into possible litigation with Iowa, and into trouble with the authorities who regulate protected species. A university should not make decisons that cause it to waste its time with such relatively unimportant matters. It should do what is necessary and right regarding mascots and logos, and get on with the primary business of academics which is teaching and research.

Date: Jun 27, 2004

. . . and think about all the Economic Development a new mascot would bring since everything with the present eagle on it would require new marketing!!!

Date: Jun 28, 2004

Hello all,

This appeared in the Argus Leader, the Sioux Falls, SD newspaper. It appears to be on the AP wire, so it is probably everywhere by now.

Just thought I'd share. I miss you guys. Hang in there.

Iowa wants S. Mississippi to change its athletic logo

The Associated Press

published: 6/28/2004

Hawkeyes believe the two bird's heads look too alike

University of Iowa officials have asked the University of Southern Mississippi to get rid of its Golden Eagle logo, saying it looks too much like the Hawkeyes' trademark.

"We've had the 'Tiger Hawk' logo for 20, 25 years, and the Southern Mississippi logo seems confusingly similar," Iowa spokesman Steve Parrott said. "We congratulate Southern Mississippi on its taste in logos, but we've contacted Southern Mississippi and asked them to change it, because we feel it's too close to ours."

Officials at Southern Miss, in Hattiesburg, Miss., are balking.

"I'm not sure what the whole deal is," athletics director Richard Giannini said. "But I don't think they look anything alike. The only thing they have in common is they are both bird heads and they're both the same color, but there's no other similarity."

Southern Miss introduced the new Eagle-head logo in January 2003 as part of a brand-identity campaign that included standard colors, fonts and logos for all aspects of the school's athletics.

The logo had avoided the radar of Iowa officials until Southern Miss hired men's basketball coach Larry Eustachy, who previously coached at Iowa State University. Media coverage of the hiring in Iowa brought the issue to the attention of school officials.

"We saw the coverage, and saw the hat he was wearing," Parrott said.

Southern Miss attorney Lee Gore said the university had been contacted by Iowa about the logo. He termed the discussions "preliminary," and said no lawsuit had been filed.

"We've had some discussions with them," Gore said. "We're trying to figure out why they think they have a claim."

Parrott said Iowa wants its logo to be distinctive, and pointed to a scheduled basketball game between Southern Miss of Conference USA and Iowa in Iowa City this December.

"We don't want to confuse people," he said.

Parrott said he would not speculate on whether the school would pursue litigation, and that Iowa officials were waiting to see how USM responded.

Gore said the matter was being handled by USM's intellectual property lawyer, J.T. Martin of Washington, D.C.

The school's new logo was developed by RARE Design of Hattiesburg. The company is owned by Rodney Richardson, a USM graduate.

"I don't know about what's going on between Southern Miss and Iowa," Richardson said. "But I do know when you talk about comparisons with graphics, the athletic marketplace is such a crowded field that comparisons are inevitable."

Richardson said anytime RARE is designing a new logo, the company does background checks and researches the marks of other teams to avoid infringement.

"I hate to hear this, because I think stylistically, the marks aren't similar," he said. "I think it's driven by the fact that the two schools have similar colors and similar animals for mascots more than anything else."

Date: Jun 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: educator
" . . . and think about all the Economic Development a new mascot would bring since everything with the present eagle on it would require new marketing!!!"

I believe they call that "churning the account" in the stock brokerage business.

Date: Jun 28, 2004

Speaking of the USM Eagle logo, I knew that some species eat their young, but I did not know a Golden Eagle ever did such a thing. Professors Glamser and Stringer must have been a mighty tasty feast. I wonder how that meal was prepared. Gary under Glass. Fried Frank. I hope that Eagle got a terrible case of indigestion.

Date: Jun 28, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Cowboy's Sweetheart
"Speaking of the USM Eagle logo, I knew that some species eat their young, but I did not know a Golden Eagle ever did such a thing. Professors Glamser and Stringer must have been a mighty tasty feast. I wonder how that meal was prepared. Gary under Glass. Fried Frank. I hope that Eagle got a terrible case of indigestion. "

I hear that when that Eagle devoured Gary Stringer, the Eagle contracted a painful and irreversible case of Aggie Fever!

Date: Jun 29, 2004

From today's Hattiesburg American:
"The stance that Iowa has taken on this logo thing really concerns me," Giannini told the Daily Iowan in Iowa City. "If it is saying it's so confusing, then let's just not play."

Did he say not play? Over a logo? Just pick up our marbles and go home? I once said that as a child and my mother made me stay indoors for the remainder of the day. She said I was acting childish. What's all this talk about 'character building?'

Date: Jun 29, 2004

i think giannini is trying to call their bluff on the confusion. however, maybe iowa has a lot to lose in merchandise sales. from a friend of mine at iowa they sell both toilet seats and condoms with their eagle on it. no kidding!

Date: Jun 29, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"i think giannini is trying to call their bluff on the confusion. however, maybe iowa has a lot to lose in merchandise sales. from a friend of mine at iowa they sell both toilet seats and condoms with their eagle on it. no kidding!"

No! You're kidding about the toilet seats and condoms, right?

Date: Jun 29, 2004

no i'm not kidding! talk about school loyalty!

Date: Jun 29, 2004

I think that slogan---Any time, Anybody, Anyplace" or whatever it is---is the single most embarrassing thing this university has ever foisted on itself---after Shelby Thames and his ky-jelly crew in the con-dome, of course. First of all, it sounds like the silly bravado of a little boy whistling in the dark to keep himself from being afraid. Second, it aint even true, NONE OF IT IS TRUE: Anybody? Anyplace? Well, not Jackson State in Jackson. It's all just too silly, and whoever thought of it should be forced to undergo sensibility training under SFT's tutelage.

quote:
Originally posted by: ram
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Date: Jun 30, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: stinky cheese man
"no i'm not kidding! talk about school loyalty!"

It's been a long time, friends, but I'm afraid that I just couldn't resist this marketing opportunity for Southern Miss Condomes. Attractive black and gold packaging with the famous dome logo on one side and Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere...on the back. We've got a winner. And, of course, we're talking about polymer products inside and out so we have yet another way to support economic development.

Stinky Cheese Man, you're brilliant for raising the idea. May I ask you to take on the product management role? I don't know what I could do for you right now, but there will be lots of downstream revenue once we commercialize this thing and I could at least get you the Condome COO title in the interim. That should open alot of doors for you and help to "pump up" the old resume. With the future of the university administration so uncertain, it probably never hurts to have a resume that will work for academic or business purposes, right?