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Finally had time to poke around on the web for "realistic" appraisal of the Mexican situation in el campo. Below is a link to one such analysis: NAFTA has destroyed the Mexican economy, driving down wages, driving up food prices, destroying native light industry and forcing about 2 million farmers off their land. Post-NAFTA Mexico runs a trade surplus with the USA but a trade deficit with everybody else. Waged jobs in the cities have declined, and the general decline in urban conditions has reversed the population flow of country to city that generally predominates in developing countries.


The end result: Mexicans displaced by neo-liberal "free trade" head north by the millions, following the money that's been looted from them by corporations drawn to Mexico's cheap labor, fascistic anti-union government, low living standards and lack of environmental regulations.


At least that's what Common Dreams has to say.


What do National Review, American Spectator, Weekly Standard and the editorial posse at Wall Street Journal have to say about the relationship between NAFTA and the Mexican dispora (called the "immigration crisis" in the bourgeois press)? Anything? Is anybody anywhere talking about  connections?


Anyhow, here's the link. You might have to cut and paste it into your browser.


http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0425-30.htm



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Here's a link to another salutary analysis of the roots of the Mexican diaspora. Enjoy.


 http://www.alternet.org/story/34768/?comments=view&cID=108105&pID=108021#c108105



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Don't blame NAFTA

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http://www.nber.org/digest/sep04/w10289.html

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Failure prior to NAFTA

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http://www.cepr.net/publications/latin_america_2003_11.htm

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From a list of books recommended by Thomas Sowell

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For those interested in the economic problems of less developed countries, there is "Equality, the Third World, and Economic Delusion" by Professor Peter Bauer of the London School of Economics. He spent years living in poor countries and more years trying to talk sense to the foreign aid establishment in Western nations.


Once dismissed as someone outside the mainstream, Peter Bauer was part of the mainstream by the time of his death last year. He hadn't changed. The mainstream had moved over to where he was, after decades of bitter experience had proved him right.


One of the reasons for the many disappointments of foreign aid programs has been that some cultures do and some do not promote the kind of behavior that produces economic development. This is particularly apparent in a book on Latin America by Lawrence Harrison titled, "Underdevelopment Is a State of Mind."


Institutions -- or lack of institutions -- can also hold back development. "The Mystery of Capital" by Hernando de Soto explores why capitalism works in Western nations but not in most non-Western countries.


The non-judgmental notion that "all cultures are equal" is unlikely to survive reading "The Character of Nations" by Professor Angelo Codevilla of Boston University. It is a grown-up's demolition of childish ideas that have become fashionable in our times.



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The population of Mexico doubled between 1970 and 2000. Much of the migration problem has to do with sheer numbers. It is long past time for the U.S. to make "carrying capacity" (i.e. no. of people our environment can reasonably support) a major factor in public policy decisions. As draconian as China's one-child policy may strike us, it may turn out to be one of the most important decisions of our time. The explosive growth in U.S. population comes almost exclusively from immigration. While Plantation certainly has a point that we have reaped what we have sown with NAFTA, we nonetheless cannot strain our very support system in order to accommodate the errors of our foreign policy or the population problems of other countries.

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Voter wrote:


The population of Mexico doubled between 1970 and 2000. Much of the migration problem has to do with sheer numbers. It is long past time for the U.S. to make "carrying capacity" (i.e. no. of people our environment can reasonably support) a major factor in public policy decisions. As draconian as China's one-child policy may strike us, it may turn out to be one of the most important decisions of our time. The explosive growth in U.S. population comes almost exclusively from immigration. While Plantation certainly has a point that we have reaped what we have sown with NAFTA, we nonetheless cannot strain our very support system in order to accommodate the errors of our foreign policy or the population problems of other countries.

Voter, Isn't the population problem in poverty areas just the culture's Social Security system? That is, elderly parents would be too heavy a burden on a small number of poor children, but a large family, even though poor,  could support two elderly parents.

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Patriot wrote:

Voter, Isn't the population problem in poverty areas just the culture's Social Security system? That is, elderly parents would be too heavy a burden on a small number of poor children, but a large family, even though poor,  could support two elderly parents.



I thought it reflected the lack of cable television, which forces the population to seek other entertainment options...

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Invictus wrote:





Patriot wrote: Voter, Isn't the population problem in poverty areas just the culture's Social Security system? That is, elderly parents would be too heavy a burden on a small number of poor children, but a large family, even though poor,  could support two elderly parents.


I thought it reflected the lack of cable television, which forces the population to seek other entertainment options...




Let's do an interesting experiment.  Do we have a poor country that has access to birth control?  That should show us if the population explosion is for Social Security or due to lack of entertainment.

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Patriot wrote:


Voter, Isn't the population problem in poverty areas just the culture's Social Security system? That is, elderly parents would be too heavy a burden on a small number of poor children, but a large family, even though poor,  could support two elderly parents.



Certainly one explanation for the large population of Mexico, but still not a reason for the U.S. to accept the overflow.

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Mexican population explosion

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http://www.americanpatrol.com/GUESTCOLUMNS/DWYER/PopExplMex050111Dwyer.html

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Immigration and ecological balance

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http://www.balance.org/articles/immwages.html

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Mexican population explosion wrote:

http://www.americanpatrol.com/GUESTCOLUMNS/DWYER/PopExplMex050111Dwyer.html



From the article: "And I haven't even mentioned any of the negative effects of overpopulation under the circumstances of shrinking reserves of natural resources, like land, water, fresh air, and oil, just to name a few.

All the above seem certain like that 2 + 2 = 4. Unless, of course, our Federal government gets serious about enforcing the American border and the immigration laws. But don't expect that to happen any time soon as our corporate elites, out of concern about region's "stability", corporate profits, and Army recruitment, will vigorously push whoever occupies the White House to not obstruct the free flow of people through our Southern border.

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The entire text above is from the article.

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Voter wrote:


The population of Mexico doubled between 1970 and 2000. Much of the migration problem has to do with sheer numbers. It is long past time for the U.S. to make "carrying capacity" (i.e. no. of people our environment can reasonably support) a major factor in public policy decisions. As draconian as China's one-child policy may strike us, it may turn out to be one of the most important decisions of our time. The explosive growth in U.S. population comes almost exclusively from immigration. While Plantation certainly has a point that we have reaped what we have sown with NAFTA, we nonetheless cannot strain our very support system in order to accommodate the errors of our foreign policy or the population problems of other countries.


Where I come from, the usual reply to arguments that developing nations need to restrain population growth is that the USA, Japan, Canada and the EU, because of their exponentially higher per capita consumption of resources, have a much greater impact on the environment than the third world population boom. There's what one might call poetic justice in having the victims of our consumption binge--in the present Mexican diaspora--come to the USA to "strain our very support system."


The time may have passed when it would do any good, but the developed world simply has to muster the political will to institute sustainable economies. That is, economic policies must be premised upon the double realization that, one, natural resources are finite and, two, that unregulated consumerist-oriented production poses massive social disorder and environmental holocaust.


For instance, a sustainable free trade policy w/Mexico, unlike NAFTA, would have worker protection clauses and sane environmental regulations built into it. Things like a living wage and social investment protocols would also have gone a long way towards preventing the Mexican diaspora and improving the standard of living of the Mexican people. The fact that NAFTA had no such provisions built into it gives creedence to charges, such as those levelled in the Common Dreams and Alternet articles that head this thread, that NAFTA was a sweetheart deal between the Mexican and American ruling classes, that it was intended to increase the wealth of the upper one percent of the North American wealth pyramid at the expense of the lower half.


Thus, it's revealing that the two econometric evaluations of Mexico and Latin American "performance"--posted above--have nothing to say about actual people's living standards and quality of life in the nations studied. Further they say nothing about income distribution when describing GDP and per capita economic growth. Just because domestic wealth increase is measured on a per capita basis doesn't mean that wealth is distributed equally. If anything, distributional equity has become ever more unlikely in the last twenty years: in the USA, now, people in the upper one percent income bracket control a greater share of wealth and income than at any time before in American history. More than in the Robber Baron/Gilded Age, more than during the Great Depression.


The abstractions of econometrics measure only part of the equation of economic growth and development; it takes a sociologist's eye to parse out the human dimension. To turn "growth" and "production" into abstractions is to assure an imperfect picture of that human dimension, with potentially disastrous results. One of them is the Mexican dispora.  


And of course, it has to be said, pace Lest We Forget, that capitalism has always been premised upon the ready, relatively unrestricted movement of populations of workers, upon diaspora. The American produce, meatpacking and construction industries (yes, my roof was repaired by Mexicans, from Nuevo Leone, how about yours?) simply could not exist in a profitable form without diaspora, in this case of Mexican workers. Neither could the West Indian sugar economy and the ante-bellum cotton economy have existed without diaspora, of African slaves and European factory operatives.


In other words, we're looking at a real paradox here: food and home construction costs are affordable to everyday Americans in large part because of the Mexican diaspora, and yet that diaspora threatens to push native-born Americans' wages into a third world sub-basement, and could certainly overwhelm the American "support system" of schools, medical services, roads, sewers and housing. The diaspora will also weaken the already dangerously threadbare social supports provided by the central government: Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, WIC, AFDC, Pell, VA, etc..


Of course, in the short run, that's only going to affect the vast majority of the American people. For awhile, the overclass will still be able to feast on the wealth created by "free trade" while the rest of us scramble for leftovers and crumbs, the same as the "illegals" and "undocumented aliens" whose economic plight and social status we increasingly come to share.


There will be a reckoning, however. Environmental collapse. A massive extinction event. Terrorism. Economic depression. Social chaos. To mangle Freud, "That which is repressed will always return."


Post Script: I was taught that the largest diaspora in North American history was history was the "Great Migration" of African Americans from the USA's rural South to urban North in the 20th century. The Mexican Diaspora we've been discussing--much of it in the last decade--is at least twice as large, isn't it? What could we learn from the comparison?


 


 



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From a list of books recommended by Thomas Sowell wrote:
 The non-judgmental notion that "all cultures are equal" is unlikely to survive reading "The Character of Nations" by Professor Angelo Codevilla of Boston University. It is a grown-up's demolition of childish ideas that have become fashionable in our times.




Cordovilla's book is from 1997. Thumbnail reviews available at:


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/0465082203/104-2053128-2483943


It's interesting how the Kirkus Review review posits that "conservative" ideologe Cordovilla has set up and demolished the most impressive "liberal" strawman ever. Has conservatism really been bankrupt all that long?


Wall Street Journal, of course, thought the guy is the greatest political economist since David Ricardo. What a surprise!


Development is a State of Mind, by Lawrence Harrison, is from 1985. Cold War vintage, pre-NAFTA, Raygun Revolution stuff. Read it if your interested in the development of conservative ideology, certainly. I might.


Is the Bauer book any more recent?  I haven't read any of Bauer, but it doesn't surprise me that he may have started out as a voice in the "Liberal" wilderness and eventually been recognized as one of the builders of the bandwagon of neo-liberalism: that bandwagon has gotten bigger and bigger and bigger in the last 26 years. Its currently gargantuan size doesn't mean that it's not hauling the world toward economic and environmental disaster, however. It just means that more and more "intellectuals" have realized that there were comfortable berths to be had there and plenty of good grub in the dining car.


Semantics question: Is "economic development" the same as "foreign aid'? I thought they were separate categories.



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Plantation:

Nothing to disagree with in your posts. I see no contradiction in limiting immigration and at the same time radically changing our consumption habits and revamping our social system. And, yes, on such a lovely spring day, it's comforting to contemplate that Nature's trifecta (war, famine, pestilence) will surely be our reward for all this self-delusion.

Voter

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Income Distribution

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http://www.econlib.org/LIBRARY/Enc/DistributionofIncome.html

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Debate on Income Distribution

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http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/income_distribution/index.html

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Census data and income distribution

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http://www.heritage.org/Research/Labor/CDA99-07.cfm

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Income Distribution wrote:

http://www.econlib.org/LIBRARY/Enc/DistributionofIncome.html



Interesting stuff, but seems to cut off at 1989. The years since, I suspect, would show some interesting changes.

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World income distribution

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http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/TotW/world_income_dist.html

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Class struggle?

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http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3773

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The top 10%

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http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5955

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Income mobility

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http://www.looksmartstocks.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_12_57/ai_n14793421

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Somewhere above here the word "draconian" is used. Mexico's own immigration laws, if I understand correctly, are "draconian" -- they are extremely harsh to immigrants from Central America.

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LVN wrote:

Somewhere above here the word "draconian" is used. Mexico's own immigration laws, if I understand correctly, are "draconian" -- they are extremely harsh to immigrants from Central America.



Yes, and they use the military to close their southern border. You'd think they'd understand our desire for border security.

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Voter wrote:


Plantation:  . . .  And, yes, on such a lovely spring day, it's comforting to contemplate that Nature's trifecta (war, famine, pestilence) will surely be our reward for all this self-delusion. Voter


Voter:


Sorry to be such a gloomhead.


There's a story about Lenin at a Party Congress one summer in Zurich where conflict between the "bolsheviks" and the "mensheviks" had reached white heat. Lenin, of course, was one of the leaders of the former. On a day the congress was not in session, Lenin and some of the bolsheviks took a train up into the Alps and had a picnic in a beautiful alpine meadow.


Lenin sat unhappily, glowering out at the spectacular scenery until somebody said to him, in effect, Vlad, dude, lighten up, look at how beautiful the weather, the landscape.


Lenin is reputed to have snapped, "Ah, those damned mensheviks, they spoil everything!"


OTP



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Life with Lenin: no picnic

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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9504EEDD1239F933A05753C1A960958260

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