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Date: Jun 18, 2004

Greetings One and All....

Date: Jun 18, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Seeker
"I hope you all missed me as much as I have missed you. Nice new digs, I especially like the new curtains. On to the point at hand. Despite the praise being graced upon Dr. Parker, his letter is not helping the creditability of your cause. He came across to the man on the street as basically a pompos ass. Spewing that the academic elite and the academic elite alone are enlightened enough to see the truth, and that the rest of us should just be happy that we may gleen a bit of genius from them. Simple political theory, you can't win the middle ground if you insult them on a regular basis. People will only belive you for so long if you continue to tell them they are stupid. It's amusing, but also a very telling sign of frustration. "

pompos=pompous

gleen=glean

belive=believe

Date: Jun 18, 2004

AH

Sweetheart, glad to see you still care. I've missed you dearly as well. I have fired my risk manager, becasue he was too much of a thorn in my side and prevented me from speaking my mind. So, I'm back.

Two things: We all know that I can't spell, and they you can't debate an issue without childish attacks.

When you have something of substace to say, please respond to my post. Until then, go judge a spelling bee.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Seeker
"AH Sweetheart, glad to see you still care. I've missed you dearly as well. I have fired my risk manager, becasue he was too much of a thorn in my side and prevented me from speaking my mind. So, I'm back. Two things: We all know that I can't spell, and they you can't debate an issue without childish attacks. When you have something of substace to say, please respond to my post. Until then, go judge a spelling bee."

Just performing my duty to humankind as World Director of English Grammar and Spelling Superiority...no spelling error will go unjudged on my watch.

substace=substance

Date: Jun 18, 2004

AH, let us remember that at least Seeker can write an English sentence with a subject and a verb, and can carry a complete thought from one sentence to the next. This is a skill which most of our trolls lack. We should be more appreciative, and wonder which pompous, elitist English professor(s) should be thanked.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: LVN
"AH, let us remember that at least Seeker can write an English sentence with a subject and a verb, and can carry a complete thought from one sentence to the next. This is a skill which most of our trolls lack. We should be more appreciative, and wonder which pompous, elitist English professor(s) should be thanked."

LVN, you are my hero! You are so right...hmmm...I do wonder which pompous, elitist English professor (no doubt from a "world-class" university) should be thanked for presenting us with such a well-educated troll this fine morning. Inquiring minds want to know...

Spelling lessons over for the day, class!

Date: Jun 18, 2004

The most refeshing aspect of this new boards is that AH's finger isn't on the button to try (unsuccessfully) to ban anyone.

I still haven't gotten a reply to the real question in this string.

Do you guys really believe that Dr. Parker's letter helped your cause. I think it did just the opposite, and painted your group in a very poor light to the public. Just went you were starting to make some inroads with the general public.

You guys just don't get it. SFT can be removed and it's closer than you think, but you are so blinded by hatred that you can't see clearly.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

Seeker, I agree with you on this one. I appreciate Dr. Parker's letter and understand that having a letter in the HA that stands up for the faculty is appreciated by those who care for the university. But a carte blanche degeneration of all who have publicly supported SFT is self defeating.

Please remember that those on the inside have a different view than those on the outside. If you bludgeon people who disagree with your opinion, you are no different than SFT and his storm troopers. I believe we should try to educate and leave pontificate to SFT.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Seeker
"You guys just don't get it. SFT can be removed and it's closer than you think, but you are so blinded by hatred that you can't see clearly."

Seeker,

I for one would appreciate your detailed advice on how we can ensure that SFT is removed, and also your informed opinion on why you think this possibility is closer than we think. Any practical advice you can offer will be appreciated, and we will make sure you get proper credit at the celebration -- possibly even having your name written in the sky with fireworks.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

Yes, Thames leaving office is probably closer than you think.

But, I fear that a detailed explaination would contain so many spelling errors, that it would drive AH totally mad correcting them all.

Wait and see, Seek the truth from both side not just propaganda.

Share the Blame....Clean Slate

Date: Jun 18, 2004

"You guys just don't get it. SFT can be removed and it's closer than you think, but you are so blinded by hatred that you can't see clearly."

Seeker - I know you come here to amuse yourself by getting these people worked up, but I have to call you out on an issue. First, you like to speak about "hatred" a lot when you post. With few exceptions, I doubt that most of the people on this board hate anybody. If you want to talk hate, talk to Holocaust survivors - they have seen true hate. Talk to neo-Nazis - they live hatred. On the AAUP board, you see frustration and anguish related to the severe incompetence and tyranny coming from the Dome.

The only thing I hate about you is how you ooze self-righteousness when you post. But, just like the rest of us regarding Shelby, we do not hate you - we just can't stand you.....

Date: Jun 18, 2004

As a rule, I do not approve childish behavior on this board.

However, AH, please accept this as a formal request to respond to Seeker in most childish, immature, stupid, awful way possible. Seeker took advantage of people being nice, so consequences are in order, AH (The Enforcer)

This one's for me. You can rip out a troll's guts better than anyone, so as a public service for those of us who feel it but can't find the words, let it rip.

And they said English professors are useless! They are smart and they can express themselves. Go AH!

Date: Jun 18, 2004

quote:

Originally posted by: Just Wondering
"As a rule, I do not approve childish behavior on this board. However, AH, please accept this as a formal request to respond to Seeker in most childish, immature, stupid, awful way possible. Seeker took advantage of people being nice, so consequences are in order, AH (The Enforcer) This one's for me. You can rip out a troll's guts better than anyone, so as a public service for those of us who feel it but can't find the words, let it rip. And they said English professors are useless! They are smart and they can express themselves. Go AH!"

I do enjoy childish behavior on the board, it helps restore sanity, but otherwise I agree, let's troll...

To the tune of the Jaws music:

de dum, de dum...de dum, de dum, de dum

Date: Jun 18, 2004

Despite what you believe I am not big fan of SFT, in fact I feel that it would be better for the University if he were no longer president. But, I also feel that there are about a dozen or so faculty members that need to be run out of town on the same rail.

Some of you do in fact hate me, and it's not because I am a "troll" in the classic sense. It's because I tell you how you are perceived by the world outside your ivory towers. You can't stand me because I raise questions that you can't answer. You dislike me because I am neither for you or against you, but somewhere in the middle.

I can see the faults in Thames, but I also see the faults in the faculty and it's weak leadership. You all want part of what I want, but you fear what it will take to accomplish the goals.

Share the Blame.....Clean Slate.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Seeker
" You all want part of what I want, but you fear what it will take to accomplish the goals."

Ok, Seeker, enlighten us. What are the goals you are proposing, and what will it take to accomplish those goals?

Date: Jun 18, 2004

Seeker, you are also Questions from FireShelby?

Date: Jun 18, 2004

No, I am Seeker from FireShelby....althought AH would (unsuccessfully) ban me about once a day and delete my posts.

So it's very possible that you never saw much of what I had to say there. I will say that at least Amy Young knows that free Speech is the right of everyone, not just people who agree with you. I will give her that.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

Seeker is attempting to plant the idea that AH was also FireShelby. Unlikely.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

Untrue....

I don't think that AH was FireShelby in the least. If so she has a split personality.

She was nothing more than a board monitor for FireShelby. That was all I said and implyed less. You guys are fishing in an attempt to discredit everything I say.

Clean Slate....Share the Blame.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Seeker
"I also see the faults in the faculty and it's weak leadership. Share the Blame.....Clean Slate."

"Weak leadership". That's it. You been talking about how the faculty is to blame and the best you can come up with is "weak leadership"? What a letdown.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Seeker
You dislike me because I am neither for you or against you, but somewhere in the middle.

I think finally I understand you now, Seeker. From what you say, it appears as if you are a "Mugwump" sort of guy - with your Mug on one side of the fence, and your Wump on the other.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Seeker
"Despite what you believe I am not big fan of SFT, in fact I feel that it would be better for the University if he were no longer president. But, I also feel that there are about a dozen or so faculty members that need to be run out of town on the same rail.
...

I can see the faults in Thames, but I also see the faults in the faculty and it's weak leadership. ...
Share the Blame.....Clean Slate."

Seeker, I would like to know what you mean by "feel that there are about a dozen or so faculty members that need to be run out of town on the same rail." Do you have logical reasons or "feeling"? Are these faculty you don't like? What do you mean? Why should they leave? What did they do that makes you say this?

Seeker, how can you say the faculty has "weak leadership"? How many faculty senates have a former provost with the knowledge of high education, not just in MS, but universities in other states like Dr. Henry. Do you realize the GUTS that it took for untenured faculty to vote in open session, with press present, NO CONFIDENCE in their president? Please explain what you would consider "strong leadership" of the faculty.

Thanks in advance for your have a response.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

HA HA HA -- Lamont, that's great!

Seeker jus/ tryin' to cause some trouble, gets a thrill from the attention. You folks oughter quit playin his sick little games

Date: Jun 18, 2004

Outherside

Is this nobel Myron Henry that you speak about the same Myron Henry that many of you refered to as Fleming's Flunkie?

I can see that the facutly is responsible for just as much of the current situation at Southern Miss as Thames. Both parties have done great damage to the University. Many of you care nothing more for the University than your paychecks and state retirement. I just refuse to sit by and watch you guys take this holier than thou attitude and lay 100% of the blame on Thames. He deserves a great deal of criticism, but you and your leadership do as well. From Myron Henry to a great number of the faculty senate to this pseudo union that you call the AAUP, that has zero legitimate power on campus but is a haven to the most radical faculty members at the Univeristy.

The faculty had more than a quater of a century of zero accountability under Lucas. Longtime faculty members such as Bill Scarborough, Joe Parker and other pushed and bullied Lucas to do what they told him to do. I understand the problems you have with Thames, he's demanding, he's dominering, he's probably a jackass to work for. He was sent to break the faculty controle at USM. Anyone who dosen't believe that is truely obtuce.

He has succeeded and his time will pass shortly. He will retire, with more money than the rest of combined, and the search will begin for a new administration.

I think that there are about 12-15 malcontents at Southern Miss who will never be happy with any leader besides a weak-willed, puppet that can be controled by the faculty. Those are the individuals that need to go, and yes some are your most vocal leaders. Out of common courtsey I will not post those names here. But, I also believe that the entire administration needs to be cleaned out as well.

I believe that preperation are already being made for Thames passing as President. This is what I believe will happen -

Thames will resign in December. Tim Hudson will be appointed interm President. A true national search will be conducted. Nobody currently or resently connected with USM will be appointed President. That means no Tim Hudson, No Don Cotton, No Myron Henry.

A Clean Slate in the administration will be acheived within one year. I would like to see the same for the malcontents in the faculty.

Clean Slate....Share the Blame.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

AHA! Seeker is (drumroll . . . .)

Roy Klumb.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

Hmmm... if Aubrey Lucas merely did whatever certain loud and aggressive faculty members told him to do...

and Lucas kept Shelby Thames in a Vice-Presidential position for 6 (plus?) years...

Lucas must have kept Thames in office because the loud, aggressive faculty members wanted him to.

What's wrong with this picture?

Robert Campbell

Date: Jun 18, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: Seeker
"Outherside
...
I can see that the facutly is responsible for just as much of the current situation at Southern Miss as Thames. Both parties have done great damage to the University. Many of you care nothing more for the University than your paychecks and state retirement. I just refuse to sit by and watch you guys take this holier than thou attitude and lay 100% of the blame on Thames. He deserves a great deal of criticism, but you and your leadership do as well. From Myron Henry to a great number of the faculty senate to this pseudo union that you call the AAUP, that has zero legitimate power on campus but is a haven to the most radical faculty members at the Univeristy.

The faculty had more than a quater of a century of zero accountability under Lucas. Longtime faculty members such as Bill Scarborough, Joe Parker and other pushed and bullied Lucas to do what they told him to do. I understand the problems you have with Thames, he's demanding, he's dominering, he's probably a jackass to work for. He was sent to break the faculty controle at USM. Anyone who dosen't believe that is truely obtuce.
...

I think that there are about 12-15 malcontents at Southern Miss who will never be happy with any leader besides a weak-willed, puppet that can be controled by the faculty. Those are the individuals that need to go, and yes some are your most vocal leaders. Out of common courtsey I will not post those names here. But, I also believe that the entire administration needs to be cleaned out as well.

I believe that preperation are already being made for Thames passing as President. This is what I believe will happen -
...
Clean Slate....Share the Blame."

Thanks for responding Seeker. However, you seem to just make more assertions with no substance. Can we discuss these one by one?
1. "I can see that the facutly is responsible for just as much of the current situation at Southern Miss as Thames. Both parties have done great damage to the University."

I don't see this. Please explain what the faculty did that you blame them "as much as Thames" for the current situation.

2. "He deserves a great deal of criticism, but you and your leadership do as well."
But this is what I asked you to explain to begin with. Why do you say the faculty leradership is to blame as well. What did they do or didn't do?
You have strong "feelings", but I still have no idea as to why.

3. "From Myron Henry to a great number of the faculty senate to this pseudo union that you call the AAUP, that has zero legitimate power on campus but is a haven to the most radical faculty members at the Univeristy."

What do you consider "radical" about what the faculty or AAUP did? From my experience with universities, they performed in a logical manner and true to the principles of academia. Again your statements are a mystery to me.

4. "The faculty had more than a quater of a century of zero accountability under Lucas. Longtime faculty members such as Bill Scarborough, Joe Parker and other pushed and bullied Lucas to do what they told him to do."

Where do you get these kind of ideas? Faculty are evaulated every year and ranked for merit raises (that don't come). Ideas at university are not equal. They are debated and weak ones don't win out. How do you define "bullied" Lucas?
In other words, please defend your assertions, don't just repeat that you "feel" this way.

This is way too long so I will end here and look for your reply. I find this exchange interesting. We are talking like we are on different planets.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

Cause Seeker don't got no real idea about nuthin. Seeker playin games, y'all. Seeker never answers questions with anything real, he just keep stirrin the pot, stirrin n stirrin and y'all keep fall into his trap. Seeker stupid enough to be Roy K. Could be. but why RK take that kinda time?? Seeker is an outsider wantin in, or an insider wantin to play games. Maybe Seeker is Mark D., got plenty of reason to hate ST? Maybe Seeker somebody what got the boot while back, or didn't get promoted or what the hey. He bad, bad, bad. Y'all watch.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

I agree he is a game player. Like everyone else, I'm waiting for something constructive. Tend to agree he's enjoying the attention. I think I'll stop supporting his habit.

Date: Jun 18, 2004

quote:
Originally posted by: LVN
"I agree he is a game player. Like everyone else, I'm waiting for something constructive. Tend to agree he's enjoying the attention. I think I'll stop supporting his habit."

Please keep talking to Seeker on this thread. Distract him with silly words, shiny ideas. Keeps the other threads readable.