TH on the move? - USM Forum -- Message Board

Date: May 5, 2006

RE: TH on the move?

Date: May 5, 2006

Lawyers out there, would TH have grounds for a lawsuit against ST, personally, if he loses out at Murray?

Date: May 5, 2006

i'm curious about TH interviewing for a presidency when there is a provost's position advertised at UH-V.

Date: May 5, 2006

TH and others kept SFT well informed of the coming SACS debacle -- and it was SFT and SFT alone who was responsible for dropping that ball. He ignored the considerable warnings and is out to smear anyone who knows of his failings. Again like so many have said here, his comments make clear what kind of person he is and his reputation is sadly known far and wide. He brings a bad rep to the entire state.

Date: May 5, 2006

Wasn't this what dropped through the cracks when SFT and Hanbury were busy trying to get Glamser/Stringer?

Date: May 5, 2006

Far Away Alum wrote:

Wasn't this what dropped through the cracks when SFT and Hanbury were busy trying to get Glamser/Stringer?

Setting the scene / tip of the iceberg:

HA, 12/16/04

The first letter, Jan. 10, 2003, cites problems institutional planning and evaluation and distance learning programs while the letter of Jan. 16, 2004 cites problems with institutional effectiveness and again distance learning programs.

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HA, 11/21/03

Drug, alcohol policy angers some at USM

HA, 12/9/03

Ex-professor sues USM (Kinney)

HA, 12/11/03

USM enrollment numbers wrong; human error blamed

CL, 12/11/03

USM official resigns after error

HA, 12/12/03

USM officials: Drug policy memo wrong
Some staff wrongly given the go-ahead on new rules

SH, 12/18/03

USM's VA plan faces long road
VA: Years of work will be needed

HA, 1/6/04

USM, hotels work out tax proposal

HA, 1/7/04

Report: USM enrollment policy flawed

HA, 1/9/04

USM seeks to fill 112 jobs
97 faculty members left university in 2003

HA, 1/16/04

USM wants gaming courses
Classes may start next fall

HA, 1/17/04

USM president blasts charges against Dvorak

HA, 1/21/04

Dvorak threatens lawsuit

HA, 1/31/04

Van Hook closing; money woes blamed
Commercialization park to replace USM's golf course

HA, 2/1/04

USM faculty dissatisfied, survey says

HA, 2/3/04

Perine trial starts Wednesday (football player)

HA, 2/12/04

Tax plan for USM in doubt

HA, 2/17/04

USM to suspend admissions to psychology programs

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Date: May 5, 2006

Little old lady wrote:

Lawyers out there, would TH have grounds for a lawsuit against ST, personally, if he loses out at Murray?

Several areas of common law are applied to employment decisions...most people have heard of "wrongful discharge." Another, which may apply here, is "defamation." There are cases, lost by employers, when a representative of management said something about a former employee that damaged that employee's chances of finding replacement employment...even when the comment was true, but there was no documentation to "prove" the statement in court. I'd think he might have a case here. "I wouldn't hire him again." is clearly a comment that could damage your career...unless the Prez can substantiate a job-related reason for that comment, I wonder....

Date: May 5, 2006

as to defamation etc.--the best defense is the truth. some of you folks only know what you've read in the headlines or has been posted here. there's a lot beneath the surface you don't know. i personally don't think TH could do anything. and for him to take any action could bring up some interesting information, some of which is sitting in a safety deposit box.

interestingly, TH was in town last weekend.

Date: May 5, 2006

I agree with SCM. Why didn't Tim come out on the side of Gary and Frank (and all other faculty members) while he was still Provost here? (esp. if SFT had that much contempt for him). This is the real question that needs to be asked...he punted in order to keep his own career afloat. You reap what you sow and all that.

Truth

Date: May 5, 2006

TH is a crook, in my opinion. There is information out there to support that view.

Date: May 5, 2006

Amen. Truth. Amen.

Date: May 6, 2006

Didn't Tim Hudson have some kind of a dossier on someone? Seems I remember hearing that during the Glamser/Stringer debacle...that he had some kind of blackmail-worthy dossier on someone in the dome.

Anyone remember that rumour? Was there any truth to it?

(To the poster who said that Tim Hudson is a crook--could you elaborate, please?)

Date: May 6, 2006

Tim did a bunch of things over the years that made me grimace, but he did some things that took some walnuts. First, he publicly went against SFT when he said that G&S should be re-instated in the classroom as the hearing process was going on (he could have done way more, of course). Second, he nixed the Exline coronation as Dean of Health (she was an associate professor at the time with fairly skimy academic credentials) despite pressure from SFT (I have no idea what she has on SFT). Third, I saw him go up against the Dvorak clan in a couple of areas that were on the right side of the fence. Finally, I saw him make some effort to keep DT from getting completely out of control. Tim wasn't the greated Provost by a long shot, but he is miles better than the dude in the job now.

SFT was just quoted in the paper as saying he wouldn't hire TH again. TH should say that he, and the boatload of administrators who have bailed on SFT, would be nuts to want to work for SFT again.

Date: May 6, 2006

Far Away Alum wrote:

Wasn't this what dropped through the cracks when SFT and Hanbury were busy trying to get Glamser/Stringer?

FAA, I believe you have just cut to the chase, as they say.

Date: May 6, 2006

invictus--if you believe our troubles with SACS began in 2004 (or '03 or '02), then you are correct. however, our SACS trouble with continuing and distance education (which got us on probation) began in 1995, when we were reviewed by SACS. 2000 was a critical point, as it usually is in the midpoint of an accreditation cycle. there was one constant in the continuing and distance education area from '95 to '04--TH. as i said upthread, there are lots of things people don't know about TH and his shenanigans. some are contained in a safety deposit box should he think about returning.

Date: May 6, 2006

in the first line make that incorrect.

Date: May 6, 2006

WKYT-TV, 5/6/06

http://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=4869346&nav=4CAL

Murray regents to continue presidential search

MURRAY, Ky. Murray State University regents are continuing their search for a new president.
Their decision comes after failing to chose from three finalists during a meeting that ended early today....

http://www.collegiatecontent.com/nm/publish/news_728.html

Campus News
Search for MSU president to continue

Posted on May 6, 2006

Early this morning (Saturday, May 6) the Murray State University board of regents announced that it plans to continue the search for a new president at the university. Board Chairman Don Sparks said the existing pool of candidates might be expanded if the search firm identifies additional viable candidates. The three candidates who were interviewed on campus this week are still included in the pool, he noted. Sparks said that he expects additional candidates to visit Murray during the upcoming fall semester when students, faculty and staff return to the campus in full force.

Date: May 6, 2006

stinky cheese man wrote:

as i said upthread, there are lots of things people don't know about TH and his shenanigans. some are contained in a safety deposit box should he think about returning.

SCM,

Can others contribute to the safety deposit box?

Date: May 6, 2006

info wrote:

Early this morning (Saturday, May 6) the Murray State University board of regents announced that it plans to continue the search for a new president at the university.

Well, at least Murray State is taking its time in hopes of getting the best possible candidate. When the USM search gets underway, the IHL will probably grab the first thing that stumbles through the door and knows the "right" people.

Date: May 6, 2006

festering--only if you contribute to the fee!

Date: May 6, 2006

as i said upthread, there are lots of things people don't know about TH and his shenanigans. some are contained in a safety deposit box should he think about returning.

Well said with a polite degree of understatement.

Date: May 6, 2006

SCM, dearie, so what you're saying is somebody told somebody else to do something that was a big, big no-no, and that somebody else was smart enough to get it in writing and stash the proof before taking a fall?

We wonder if all kinds of folks at USM are where they are because of safe-deposit boxes or letters left with lawyers.

Date: May 8, 2006

The point is that if someone hasn't done a good job, other universities need to know about it. Too often, we shy away from giving accurate references and other places get "stuck" with bad apples. TH should have admitted his lack of oversight of the SACS process rather than lying about it. Yes, SFT is also to blame. He should not have trusted TH when TH kept saying that all was well. SFT admitted that to all -- including the Board. SFT could have shared other "findings" related to TH, but didn't. Let's look for a fresh start in June 2007 and not resurrect a bad fit, as TH said in his interview.

Date: May 9, 2006

I don't think this item has been mentioned -

Although I cannot find this article on the Louisville Clarion Ledger Web site, I have it in my hand, cut from this morning's (5-9-06) edition (they must not include this insignificant a news item on their Webpage). It says...

"A university president in Texas has pulled out of the Murray State University's presidential search.
University of Houston-Victoria Present Tim Hudson had been one of the three finalists, along with MSU Associate Provost Tim Todd and Illinois Superintendent of Education Randy Dunn.
Murray's regents decided early Saturday, however, to continue the search for a successor to King Alexander, who left to become president of California State University, Long Beach.
Hudson said he was leaning toward withdrawing before he learned of the regents' decision.
During his on-campus interview, Hudson said he wasn't looking for a job when a search firm contacted him while compiling a Murray candidate pool."

Talk about covering butt . . .
Makes you wonder why he went to the interview in the first place.

Date: May 9, 2006

even stranger given TH is looking for a provost at UH-V. i can imagine the conversation--"i want to hire you as a provost, but I may be leaving myself."

Date: May 9, 2006

Houston Chronicle, 5/8/06

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/3849342.html

UH-Victoria president drops bid for Murray State post

A Texas university president has pulled out of Murray State University's presidential search....

...Hudson said he was leaning toward withdrawing as a presidential candidate before he learned of the regents' decision.

During his on-campus interview recently, Hudson said he wasn't looking for a job when a search firm contacted him while compiling a candidate pool for the Murray job....

Date: May 10, 2006

This whole Tim Hudson thing is just bizarre. Tim needs to do the job he has and explain to DeeDee that it has to be that way. Too much ambition.

Date: May 11, 2006

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/state/14549970.htm

Fort Worth Star-Telegram, 5/11/06

Murray regents meeting again on president
Associated Press

MURRAY, Ky. - Murray State University's board of regents could vote Thursday night on a new president, less than a week after deciding to reopen the search.

The board had narrowed the candidates to three, but one withdrew. Still on the list were Randy J. Dunn, state school superintendent in Illinois, and Murray State Associate Provost Tim Todd.

Faculty Regent Terry Strieter told The Paducah Sun that Dunn, after talking to supporters on the board, had apparently changed his mind this week about requiring unanimous or near-unanimous support from the board before he would accept an offer of the presidency....

Date: May 12, 2006

WKYT-TV, 5/12/06

http://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=4894836&nav=NebD

Dunn selected as new Murray State president

MURRAY, Ky. -- Illinois state superintendent of schools Randy Dunn has been selected as the new president at Murray State University....

...Some school administrators, however, were upset with the timing of Thursday's vote, which came less than a week after the school said it was going to reopen the search for its next president.

"I fear the decision we are about to make is not in the best interest of the university," said Vickie Travis, one of four regents who cast a dissenting vote.

Dunn beat out current associate provost Tim Todd for the position. The other finalist, Tim Hudson, president of the University of Houston-Victoria, withdrew his name Saturday....

...Terry Strieter, faculty regent, said Dunn was the faculty's "least favorite" of the three finalists and had hoped the search would continue....

Date: May 12, 2006

info wrote:

...Terry Strieter, faculty regent, said Dunn was the faculty's "least favorite" of the three finalists and had hoped the search would continue....

Well. Haven't we heard this before? Maybe SFT can serve as a (highly paid) consultant to Dunn as he moves Murray into oblivion...

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