H.A.--Barbour won't pardon Kennard - USM Forum -- Message Board

Date: Apr 16, 2006

RE: H.A.--Barbour won't pardon Kennard

Date: Apr 16, 2006

Minority Observer wrote:

I find that this problem is prevalent with some of our minority poor. Because they use the "F-Word" and other curses for everyday adjectives and adverbs, you can't tell when they are really angry until they pull out a gun or knife. In that culture weapons are necessary in order to communicate that you are angry or disagree.

If you can speak so authoritatively about this population, perhaps you need to spend your time with a different crowd.

Date: Apr 16, 2006

Minority Observer wrote:

Republican wrote:
...&nb
I find that this problem is prevalent with some of our minority poor. Because they use the "F-Word" and other curses for everyday adjectives and adverbs, you can't tell when they are really angry until they pull out a gun or knife. In that culture weapons are necessary in order to communicate that you are angry or disagree.

I find that this problem is prevalent among young people of all races and classes, among middle-aged people of all races and classes, and in the movies, on TV and almost everywhere I look. I just finished reading two devotional books by Anne Lamotte, and both use the F word several times.

Date: Apr 16, 2006

Reality Check wrote:

Minority Observer wrote: I find that this problem is prevalent with some of our minority poor. Because they use the "F-Word" and other curses for everyday adjectives and adverbs, you can't tell when they are really angry until they pull out a gun or knife. In that culture weapons are necessary in order to communicate that you are angry or disagree. If you can speak so authoritatively about this population, perhaps you need to spend your time with a different crowd.

If you have not noticed this "with some of our minority poor", maybe you need to get out more and observe the today's culture.

Date: Apr 16, 2006

Minority Observer wrote:

I find that this problem is prevalent with some of our minority poor. Because they use the "F-Word" and other curses for everyday adjectives and adverbs, you can't tell when they are really angry until they pull out a gun or knife. In that culture weapons are necessary in order to communicate that you are angry or disagree.

Pardon me for being so direct, Minority Observer, but you sound like a sanctimonious sort of guy afflicted an advanced case of the silver-spoon-in-the-mouth syndrome.

Date: Apr 16, 2006

Foxy Lady wrote:

Minority Observer wrote: I find that this problem is prevalent with some of our minority poor. Because they use the "F-Word" and other curses for everyday adjectives and adverbs, you can't tell when they are really angry until they pull out a gun or knife. In that culture weapons are necessary in order to communicate that you are angry or disagree. Pardon me for being so direct, Minority Observer, but you sound like a sanctimonious sort of guy afflicted an advanced case of the silver-spoon-in-the-mouth syndrome.

I have no clue why you think I'm "a guy" or "sanctimonious" and, in addition have "the silver-spoon-in-the-mouth syndrome". However, my perception is your knees seem to jerk very rapidly for no reason. Would you care to discuss this, Foxy Lady?

Date: Apr 16, 2006

M.O. I understand what you're doing, but I find it offensive.

Date: Apr 16, 2006

LVN wrote:

Minority Observer wrote: Republican wrote: ...&nb I find that this problem is prevalent with some of our minority poor. Because they use the "F-Word" and other curses for everyday adjectives and adverbs, you can't tell when they are really angry until they pull out a gun or knife. In that culture weapons are necessary in order to communicate that you are angry or disagree. I find that this problem is prevalent among young people of all races and classes, among middle-aged people of all races and classes, and in the movies, on TV and almost everywhere I look. I just finished reading two devotional books by Anne Lamotte, and both use the F word several times.

You are correct, LVN, that the "F-word" is used very often. But I'm speaking of hearing conversations in which all of the adjective and adverbs in a paragraph (and more) are the "F- word", the "M-F word" and other curses. These are the only modifiers used. Then when the person gets angry there is no shocking language to use, except threats of violence.

I bet the movies and TV programs where this is done isn't about bankers discussing the stock exhange.

Date: Apr 16, 2006

LVN wrote:

M.O. I understand what you're doing, but I find it offensive.

No offense was intended, LVN. Could it be caused by the word "minority"? If so I could leave that word off, but my observation did involve a minority. All groups may have this problem. I just haven't observed it. I'm speaking of what I heard just walking down a street and other times in a McDonald's restaurant. I may be naive, but in my experience I only hear curses when people are angry. This wasn't the case for the group I observed.

Date: Apr 16, 2006

Minority Observer wrote:

I bet the movies and TV programs where this is done isn't about bankers discussing the stock exhange.

People who talk about their money and investments are different?

Date: Apr 16, 2006

Foxy Lady wrote:

Minority Observer wrote: I bet the movies and TV programs where this is done isn't about bankers discussing the stock exhange. People who talk about their money and investments are different?

All people are different in some ways and all are the same in other ways. The way people use language is one of the ways they can be different.

Date: Apr 16, 2006

Minority Observer wrote:

All people are different in some ways and all are the same in other ways. The way people use language is one of the ways they can be different.

Tell us how people who talk about money and investments are different?

Date: Apr 16, 2006

Foxy Lady wrote:

Minority Observer wrote: All people are different in some ways and all are the same in other ways. The way people use language is one of the ways they can be different. Tell us how people who talk about money and investments are different?

My answer is above your statement. Since almost all people talk about money and investments you haven't identified a category of people. If you are replying to the statement about a TV show about bankers, I would say I never heard a banker speak a paragraph using only curses for modifiers. Have you? If you are replying because of the word "minority", then read my reply to LVN. I was just discussing what I observed. If you have observed non-minority poor using only curses for modifiers, then say so and we can discuss it. My only point was if a group's language has no shocking words then how do they convey they are angry. If words used to indicate anger are used all of the time they signify nothing.

Date: Apr 16, 2006

Minority Observer wrote:

If you have not noticed this "with some of our minority poor", maybe you need to get out more and observe the today's culture.

If "this" is seeing folks regularly brandishing weapons to indicate anger, then you might need to "get out" less.

Date: Apr 17, 2006

Minority Observer wrote:

I would say I never heard a banker speak a paragraph using only curses for modifiers. Have you?

Of course not. Maybe in the privacy of their own homes, but never behind their desk at the bank while dealing with a customer. On the other hand, I've never heard any worker who deals with the public at any level utter curses for modifiers in the presence of a consumer.

Date: Apr 17, 2006

Foxy Lady wrote:

...On the other hand, I've never heard any worker who deals with the public at any level utter curses for modifiers in the presence of a consumer.

Tell us how people who work are different?

Date: Apr 17, 2006

Minority Observer wrote:

Tell us how people who work are different?

Tell us how many angels can dance on the head of a needle. Your question makes no sense. It is unanswerable except in the most concrete and simplistic terms. Now go away and occupy yourself by counting your money.

Date: Apr 17, 2006

Foxy Lady wrote:

Minority Observer wrote: Tell us how people who work are different?

Tell us how many angels can dance on the head of a needle. Your question makes no sense. It is unanswerable except in the most concrete and simplistic terms. Now go away and occupy yourself by counting your money.

Great, Foxy Lady, you got my point. Your response was what I thought when I read your question asking "how people who talk about money are different". However, I took the time to explained with an answer to your question. I still have no clue why you and another poster connect me with money. I also never understood if you were trying to make a point. I reread the thread and still don't see your point in the discussion.

Date: Apr 17, 2006

Foxy Lady wrote:

Tell us how many angels can dance on the head of a needle.

Needles don't have heads.

Heads are not at issue: http://www.bartleby.com/59/4/howmanyangel.html

See also: The Barometer Fable critisized.

Date: Apr 17, 2006

Cossack wrote:

It would appear to me that Barbour could pardon Kennard and pick up a lot of positive support.

Cossack--

I think that is exactly the issue facing Mr. Barbour: would a Kennard pardon pick up positive support? (As opposed to that elusive "negative support.") It's all about what is truly "politically correct." I agree with your analysis, but disagree with your conclusion.

I suspect that Mr. Barbour is thinking the potential for added support among pro-pardon folks as negligible. He is not likely to pick up minority and/or liberal voters, even if he starts strolling across the waves at the reservoir.

Contrariwise, he might lose support among his political base if he is seen as, at worst, being "soft on crime" or, at best, kowtowing to the demands of minorities and/or liberals.

Faced with his dilemma, I can't be surprised at his decision.

Too bad about the devolution of this thread, huh?

Date: Apr 17, 2006

ram wrote:

Cossack-- I think that is exactly the issue facing Mr. Barbour: would a Kennard pardon pick up positive support? (As opposed to that elusive "negative support.") It's all about what is truly "politically correct." I agree with your analysis, but disagree with your conclusion. I suspect that Mr. Barbour is thinking the potential for added support among pro-pardon folks as negligible. He is not likely to pick up minority and/or liberal voters, even if he starts strolling across the waves at the reservoir. Contrariwise, he might lose support among his political base if he is seen as, at worst, being "soft on crime" or, at best, kowtowing to the demands of minorities and/or liberals. Faced with his dilemma, I can't be surprised at his decision. Too bad about the devolution of this thread, huh?

I was confused by the situation you described here with poor Barbour not being able to pardon a person he thinks is innocent because it may appear he is being "liberal". Then I remembered the post by Angeline on another thread.

Angeline wrote: ...What is a liberal? My experience as a lifetime southerner is that whites in the deep South nearly always define these labels according to race - if you think that Blacks should have equal rights and even a headstart to help level the historically-skewed playing field than you are deemed a "liberal."

Date: Apr 17, 2006

Haley Barbour's disconnect from the Kennard ruling is akin to his disconnect about "those people in Louisiana" during and after the storm where he worked with a wormlike intensity to make his plundering of federal largesse for his people seem more like "finding" than "looting" (Remember that phrase, guys and girls)?

Curse words? Libs vs. Cons? What will be the next rant...social equality? The concerns bedeviling this university community hardly involve inequities in minority communities at USM regardless of what biochemical, biological, or cultural difference that binding them as a subgroup of the majority. This continued willful neglect is enough to make anyone angry. Talk about a curse! A gun or knife in the hands of SOME minorities represents, like it does for "Moses" Heston, the final resolve to protect my person at all costs, which supercedes the anger associated with the "F" word, or an old-fashioned a**beating, which is more than adequate in expressing my anger to an individual of any dermal hue.

As far as the verbal barrage of curse words from minorities, I'd assure you that 200 million of the majority have had more than a proportional share of manure-mouthings in the past. Bilbo, Vardaman, "W" before and born-again, and other such media clowns have provided so much non-violence in their conversational skills that the lynchings and the continued slaughter of minority self-governing nations have resulted must not be signs of anger, but resolve.

Date: Apr 17, 2006

Can someone intrepret BlacKnight's post for me?. I do not have a clue what he/she is talking about.

Date: Apr 17, 2006

Don't try, Cossack. This individual has posted here before and is afflicted with a serious case of overwriting. There is a point struggling somewhere in the wilderness of his prose, but he seems determined to smother it before it can emerge.