Will Thames Kill Disciplinary Accreditations? - USM Forum -- Message Board

Date: Mar 22, 2006

Will Thames Kill Disciplinary Accreditations?

Date: Mar 22, 2006

What effect would losing such accreditation have on students seeking licensure or admission to graduate programs elsewhere?

Date: Mar 22, 2006

It probably means different things in different disciplines. Many business schools will accept graduates of AACSB accredited schools into their MBA programs and not require any undergraduate prerequisites...students from non-AACSB programs will have their undergraduate "business core" courses evaluated course by course. It may also affect some committee decisions on admissions into their graduate programs.

Date: Mar 22, 2006

Alphabet Soup wrote:

SFT has been quoted as stating that he isn't sure whether USM can afford disciplinary level accreditation in areas such as education, business, psychology, nursing, etc., and that SACS should be good enough.

So when does the university go on the auction block?

Date: Mar 22, 2006

It wouldn't be just CoEP that would be "failed" by NCATE. It would also be those teacher education programs that award degrees in secondary education in other colleges as well, wouldn't it? Math Education B.S. degrees are awarded through the Department of Math, for instance. Social Studies and English Education B.A.'s aer awarded through, respectively, the history and English Departments in the CoAL. Maybe half of the majors in those disciplines come out with a teaching credential on top of a bachelor's degree.

NCATE de-accreditation for USM would be a death blow, I believe: we still graduate more teachers than anything else.

Date: Mar 22, 2006

LVN wrote:

What effect would losing such accreditation have on students seeking licensure or admission to graduate programs elsewhere?

When SFT gets rid of APA accreditation for the school, clinical, and counseling doc programs, those will be shut down, ending nice 25 year plus runs. Graduates of non-accredited programs arel not be license eligible in most states, and will not get pre-doc internships at APA accred residencies. But, wait, Ole Miss and LSU will be more than glad to take these students! Psychology at USM will consist of one undergrad program and perhaps a doc in experimental psych with a handful of students at most. Most faculty will go elsewhere, and psych will shrink to maybe 15 faculty with half the SCH and no external bucks. Papa Doc will be pleased.

Date: Mar 22, 2006

Thanks. I was pretty sure there would be major repercussions, but wanted those in the programs to describe them.

Date: Mar 22, 2006

LVN wrote:

Thanks. I was pretty sure there would be major repercussions, but wanted those in the programs to describe them.

bye, bye psychology is absolutely correct, LVN. I realize that some posters just run their mouth, but there would indeed be major repercussions if accreditation were to be abolished in psychology. Without accreditation there would be very little left.

Date: Mar 22, 2006

Without NCATE accreditation, USM teacher education graduates would not be granted licensure by Mississippi Department of Education.

Date: Mar 22, 2006

Without accreditation enrollment would dip so low that many faculty would be without a job and many students would be without a state school in Hattiesburg.

Date: Mar 22, 2006

Alphabet Soup wrote:

SFT has been quoted as stating that he isn't sure whether USM can afford disciplinary level accreditation in areas such as education, business, psychology, nursing, etc., and that SACS should be good enough.

OK, this has gone far enough. Show us the quote. You said "SFT has been quoted" as saying these things - that is very easy to say. Show us the quote. Where did it come from, and when? You have started a thread on vapor.

Date: Mar 22, 2006

Ask Harold Doty to post his version on the board. I know he reads this page constantly, and he once announced in a CoB faculty meeting that Thames said a variant of the original qoute.

Date: Mar 22, 2006

Outside Observer wrote:

It probably means different things in different disciplines. Many business schools will accept graduates of AACSB accredited schools into their MBA programs and not require any undergraduate prerequisites...students from non-AACSB programs will have their undergraduate "business core" courses evaluated course by course. It may also affect some committee decisions on admissions into their graduate programs.

Not necessarily true.

In fact most of the top ranked MBA programs (Harvard, Stanford, Wharton (UPenn), Kenan Flagler (UNC), Anderson (UCLA), Fuqua (Duke), Sloan (MIT), Kellogg (Northwestern), Tuck (Dartmouth), et. al.) don't care about undergraduate major, nor whether it is AACSB approved. Most of these schools do not have business programs for undergraduates in the first place (one exception being Wharton). They're more concerned with GMAT scores, quality of undergraduate education on the whole (i.e. Yale vs. Vanderbilt vs. USM), and the professional work completed by the student between college graduation and application (Almost all of the top 50 business MBA daytime programs like to see 2-3 years of work before MBA matriculation).

Date: Mar 22, 2006

former admissions office staffer at another university wrote:

Not necessarily true.

In fact most of the top ranked MBA programs (Harvard, Stanford, Wharton (UPenn), Kenan Flagler (UNC), Anderson (UCLA), Fuqua (Duke), Sloan (MIT), Kellogg (Northwestern), Tuck (Dartmouth), et. al.) don't care about undergraduate major, nor whether it is AACSB approved. Most of these schools do not have business programs for undergraduates in the first place (one exception being Wharton). They're more concerned with GMAT scores, quality of undergraduate education on the whole (i.e. Yale vs. Vanderbilt vs. USM), and the professional work completed by the student between college graduation and application (Almost all of the top 50 business MBA daytime programs like to see 2-3 years of work before MBA matriculation).

While this may be true at the very top schools, many mid- to low-level MBA programs use AACSB accreditation as a first applicant screen. If you don't have an AACSB degree, you don't get admitted. It helps keep the riff-raff out.

Date: Mar 22, 2006

Does the APA accredit school, counseling, experimental, and clinical psychology programs individually or the psychology department as a whole? By undergraduate or graduate? What accreditations are most likely to go? All of them?

What's next?

Date: Mar 22, 2006

Questions wrote:

What's next?

The Library, apparently.

Date: Mar 22, 2006

Questions wrote:

Does the APA accredit school, counseling, experimental, and clinical psychology programs individually or the psychology department as a whole? By undergraduate or graduate? What accreditations are most likely to go? All of them?

Programs, not departments, are accredited. Graduate, not undergraduate programs, are accredited. Only the professional ones are reviewed for accreditation (in the case of USM that would be school, counseling, and clinical). Experimental programs are not reviewed for accreditation. Note, however, that APA accreditation teams look at the entire picture - departmental, college, and university levels as they conduct their reviews. One can't say which is the "most likely to go" because programs are not normally reviewed on the same time schedule.