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Cossack

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You could have come by Greene this morning and have seen it was barely populated, about like always.

Broaden your horizons, visit other buildings on campus and gives us a report. Be sure to use precise terms such as "barely populated". Also include your methodology for your survey. Did you knock on closed doors to see if the office was occupied, did you check the schedule of the faculty member to see if they were in class? Did you determine if the faculty member teaches a night class from 6:30 to 9:30 so that if they came in before noon they would have logged over nine hours? Did you check the carrels in the library where many COB faculty have gone to escape the renovation noise and confusion? If you are going to monitor, at least do a half way decent job.

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Wanderer

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Cossack wrote:

You could have come by Greene this morning and have seen it was barely populated, about like always. Broaden your horizons, visit other buildings on campus and gives us a report. Be sure to use precise terms such as "barely populated". Also include your methodology for your survey. Did you knock on closed doors to see if the office was occupied, did you check the schedule of the faculty member to see if they were in class? Did you determine if the faculty member teaches a night class from 6:30 to 9:30 so that if they came in before noon they would have logged over nine hours? Did you check the carrels in the library where many COB faculty have gone to escape the renovation noise and confusion? If you are going to monitor, at least do a half way decent job.
Cossack, don't worry I will be back over there.  I may even list names.  Better be there. 

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Truth or Dare

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He'd better be there? Or what? I can't wait to hear what his penance will be.
Wanderer, you are full of malarkey.

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Notepad in hand

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I guess he'll take your name and hand the list to Shelby. If COB profs don't use their offices then maybe the space can be used more efficiently. Like for lab space for anthropology.

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yerba

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If SFT is about to name Dana Dean of CoEP, don't think this place isn't going to go buck wild over the next 12 months.  Don't think he won't send a student over to Greene to list names and actually do something to the names on the list.

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gill

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yerba wrote:

If SFT is about to name Dana Dean of CoEP, don't think this place isn't going to go buck wild over the next 12 months.  Don't think he won't send a student over to Greene to list names and actually do something to the names on the list.
Doty is truly the Tom Benson of business deans.  Every bit of contempt that Thames holds for the CoB, and consequently all of the things he does to hurt the CoB, lies squarely at the feet of Doty.  Thanks for coming.

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dome SW (fact checker)

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USM Fash Merch/Mgt/Marketing Department: 23 faculty (approx)


Tier I Grads=1   


Tier II Grads=6


Tier III Grads=13


Tier IV Grads=3


(Done using US News 2006, per origin of PhD)



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closer

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Data without Fashion Merchandising:


USM Management/Marketing Department: 20 faculty (approx)


Tier I Grads=1   


Tier II Grads=4


Tier III Grads=12


Tier IV Grads=3


(Done using US News 2006, per origin of PhD)



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Out of state

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The difference between these stats and those presented for Math and English are no doubt reflective of the relative difference in competition for job candidates in these disciplines -- e.g., the market for business PhDs is generally much tigher than the market for liberal arts faculty.  Take the case of marketing, for instance.  In recent approx. 80-100 "available new PhDs" compete for well over 200 advertised marketing faculty positions.  Just a difference is also reflected in the significant salary gaps between the various disciplines.

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Even Stephen/Steven

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Out of state wrote:

a difference is also reflected in the significant salary gaps between the various disciplines.
Do those who object to different teaching loads among the various disciplines also object to the significant salary gaps among the various disciplines?

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COB lost

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Out of state wrote:

The difference between these stats and those presented for Math and English are no doubt reflective of the relative difference in competition for job candidates in these disciplines -- e.g., the market for business PhDs is generally much tigher than the market for liberal arts faculty.  Take the case of marketing, for instance.  In recent approx. 80-100 "available new PhDs" compete for well over 200 advertised marketing faculty positions.  Just a difference is also reflected in the significant salary gaps between the various disciplines.

Actually, if you rank the management/mkt people by salary, using Tier designation instead of names, you get:


1. Tier I; 2. Tier III; 3. Tier III; 4. Tier III; 5. Tier III; 6. Tier III; 7. Tier III; 8. Tier III; 9. Tier II; 10. Tier IV; 11. Tier IV; 12. Tier IV; 13. Tier III; 14. Tier II; 15. Tier III; 16. Tier II; 17. Tier III; 18. Tier III; 19. Tier II; 20. Tier III 


If you throw out the 3 administrators, the correlation between salary and "tier" ranges from only +0.03 to +0.12 (tier=2,3,4), neither diff from 0.



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CoB found

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COB lost wrote:

 Actually, if you rank the management/mkt people by salary, using Tier designation instead of names, you get: 1. Tier I; 2. Tier III; 3. Tier III; 4. Tier III; 5. Tier III; 6. Tier III; 7. Tier III; 8. Tier III; 9. Tier II; 10. Tier IV; 11. Tier IV; 12. Tier IV; 13. Tier III; 14. Tier II; 15. Tier III; 16. Tier II; 17. Tier III; 18. Tier III; 19. Tier II; 20. Tier III  If you throw out the 3 administrators, the correlation between salary and "tier" ranges from only +0.03 to +0.12 (tier=2,3,4), neither diff from 0.
If you model Mgt/Mkt salaries, all you get is that fulls make $91K, and everyone else makes $75.5K. 

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interesting find

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COB lost wrote:

Out of state wrote: The difference between these stats and those presented for Math and English are no doubt reflective of the relative difference in competition for job candidates in these disciplines -- e.g., the market for business PhDs is generally much tigher than the market for liberal arts faculty.  Take the case of marketing, for instance.  In recent approx. 80-100 "available new PhDs" compete for well over 200 advertised marketing faculty positions.  Just a difference is also reflected in the significant salary gaps between the various disciplines. Actually, if you rank the management/mkt people by salary, using Tier designation instead of names, you get: 1. Tier I; 2. Tier III; 3. Tier III; 4. Tier III; 5. Tier III; 6. Tier III; 7. Tier III; 8. Tier III; 9. Tier II; 10. Tier IV; 11. Tier IV; 12. Tier IV; 13. Tier III; 14. Tier II; 15. Tier III; 16. Tier II; 17. Tier III; 18. Tier III; 19. Tier II; 20. Tier III  If you throw out the 3 administrators, the correlation between salary and "tier" ranges from only +0.03 to +0.12 (tier=2,3,4), neither diff from 0.
The two people in bold were hired on (practically) the same day.  Salary difference between them remains the difference in starting salaries.

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In State

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Out of state wrote:

The difference between these stats and those presented for Math and English are no doubt reflective of the relative difference in competition for job candidates in these disciplines -- e.g., the market for business PhDs is generally much tigher than the market for liberal arts faculty.  Take the case of marketing, for instance.  In recent approx. 80-100 "available new PhDs" compete for well over 200 advertised marketing faculty positions.  Just a difference is also reflected in the significant salary gaps between the various disciplines.
Tier IV and Tier II hired at same time --- Tier II paid less? Not sure I understand all this stuff.

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