Are they Bizzy? Not these guys - USM Forum -- Message Board

Date: Mar 18, 2006

RE: Are they Bizzy? Not these guys

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Wanderer wrote:

Those that sent me to Greene Hall knew what I would find there. I notice that even Cossack doesn't care to talk about how much work they do in the business college, only what gets done in his own department. I guess Cossack doesn't know anything about the toadies either. I suspect they don't really exist when the criticism is coming from outside the college. If the fighting is all on the inside they do exist. Which is it?

If you indeed were sent, that seems to make YOU a toady!

Date: Mar 18, 2006

I the Prez really did sent students to spy on faculty...everthing else aside...think about that for a minute?!?! What does that say about management style....organizational culture...professionalism??!! I could go on, but what's the point?

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Outside Observer wrote:

I live near a state supported Technical College. Few faculty have doctorates. Faculty and staff wear name tags at all times and work 8 - 5...graduates learn immediately applicable job skills....not theories and concepts...not how to analyze information and data and make complex decisions. I think Hattiesburg would be happier if they converted USM to this model.

This is exactly what certain current & former IHL board members had in mind when they hired SFT. And it's not over until it's over...

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Outside Observer wrote:

I the Prez really did sent students to spy on faculty...everthing else aside...think about that for a minute?!?! What does that say about management style....organizational culture...professionalism??!! I could go on, but what's the point?

Sorry...should have been "If the Pres..."

Date: Mar 18, 2006

I'm glad the president is looking into the work habits of business faculty. Why stop there? No doubt Kareem Copeland's article had something to do with it too. Notice that nobody is stepping up to answer most of Wanderer's questions.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Outside Observer wrote:

If the Prez really did sent students to spy on faculty...everthing else aside...think about that for a minute?!?! What does that say about management style....organizational culture...professionalism??!! I could go on, but what's the point?

Dear Friends,

I'm shocked and saddened by this report about spying in Hattiesburg. You may all be assured that such behavior would never be condoned in D'Lo by either myseff or Emma, our wurl' class University Provost. We hire only top quality faculty, and trust them implicitly. How hard is that?

W.J. Johnson
Chancellor, USM at D'Lo

Date: Mar 18, 2006

What some business faculty who post here refuse to admit is that the research culture in the college is dying. In fact it is almost gone now. That's the way a large pocket of the COB wants it.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Wanderer wrote:

Take a stroll through the business school in Greene Hall. In some departments, nobody is ever there it seems. Just got back an hour ago from there and counted 7 professors on the third floor. Now I understand the clamor for time clocks.

I don't know much about what the folks over in business do; but, in their defense, it's the product, not the process. we don't need hall monitors.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

BAD wrote:

Wanderer wrote: Take a stroll through the business school in Greene Hall. In some departments, nobody is ever there it seems. Just got back an hour ago from there and counted 7 professors on the third floor. Now I understand the clamor for time clocks. I don't know much about what the folks over in business do; but, in their defense, it's the product, not the process. we don't need hall monitors.

According to my computer clock, it was about 7:30 PM tonight, Saturday, when Wanderer was strolling through Greene Hall. I'd say that 7 professors in their offices on a Saturday night isn't too bad.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Saturday night is the loneliest night of the week wrote:

BAD wrote: Wanderer wrote: Take a stroll through the business school in Greene Hall. In some departments, nobody is ever there it seems. Just got back an hour ago from there and counted 7 professors on the third floor. Now I understand the clamor for time clocks. I don't know much about what the folks over in business do; but, in their defense, it's the product, not the process. we don't need hall monitors. According to my computer clock, it was about 7:30 PM tonight, Saturday, when Wanderer was strolling through Greene Hall. I'd say that 7 professors in their offices on a Saturday night isn't too bad.

Wanderer may be an enemy, but to be fair I must point out that it was about mid afternoon or so on Friday when his/her post appeared on the board, not Saturday night.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

lay off wrote:

So you posted this at 3:50 p.m. and refer to a time an hour earlier, 2:50 p.m., on a Friday afternoon? Note that classes end at 1:50 on Fridays and most people, students and faculty alike, go home shortly after unless they have on-campus commitments, like the faculty you saw. What's your point? Try wandering around at 11:00 a.m. any day of the week and see what you find.

I think this post clears up the confusion here. It also indicates that faculty take unauthorized half days on Fridays, which means they squeeze out almost 2 work weeks of vacation during each semester. What do they get after each semester? A 2-4 week vacation.

Nothing in the response above says anything about doing research. The 7 people that Wanderer spotted had on-campus commitments according to lay off, otherwise they would've been playing golf with the others.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Hey kiln,

I notice that you rarely respond to the direct questions people ask of you -- but that's pretty typical behavior of trolls on this board.

All the tenured faculty currently employed at USM were apparently productive enough to meet the university's standards to earn tenure and promotion. By USM's own criteria, then, most of the tenured faculty are productive.

Now, why don't you address the issue of Shelby's productivity during the tenure of his presidency? What, exactly, has he produced during that tenure that has benefitted USM? He would be far more genuinely productive if he were back in his lab, mixing paint.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Just an opinion wrote:

Hey kiln, I notice that you rarely respond to the direct questions people ask of you -- but that's pretty typical behavior of trolls on this board. All the tenured faculty currently employed at USM were apparently productive enough to meet the university's standards to earn tenure and promotion. By USM's own criteria, then, most of the tenured faculty are productive. Now, why don't you address the issue of Shelby's productivity during the tenure of his presidency? What, exactly, has he produced during that tenure that has benefitted USM? He would be far more genuinely productive if he were back in his lab, mixing paint.

The IHL Board gave Dr. Thames one year beyond his initial term of 4 years to govern USM. The the IHL's own criteria for promotion, Dr. Thames was deemed productive.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

kiln eagle wrote:

By the IHL's own criteria for extension, Dr. Thames was deemed productive.

Sorry, had to fix my last sentence. See above.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

kiln eagle wrote:

The IHL Board gave Dr. Thames one year beyond his initial term of 4 years to govern USM. The the IHL's own criteria for promotion, Dr. Thames was deemed productive.

If a faculty member at USM applied for tenure and was denied, he would be given one year to make his exit. (At least this is how it is done at most places.) The analogy fits Shelby's case precisely. If the IHL had really been pleased with Shelby's "productivity," his contract would have been fully extended. It wasn't; they weren't.

But what do YOU, O wise kiln eagle, find so admirable about Shelby's record of productivity as president? Or are you afraid to answer?

Date: Mar 18, 2006

I must say, at the risk of helping Wanderer, that most business professors teach either Tues/Thur or Mon/Wed schedules. Most of these never see Greene Hall on Fridays. That means they squeeze more like 3 weeks of vacation out of a semester. Before you say they are at home doing research, very few people in the CoB are doing research.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Just an opinion wrote:

kiln eagle wrote: The IHL Board gave Dr. Thames one year beyond his initial term of 4 years to govern USM. The the IHL's own criteria for promotion, Dr. Thames was deemed productive. If a faculty member at USM applied for tenure and was denied, he would be given one year to make his exit. (At least this is how it is done at most places.) The analogy fits Shelby's case precisely. If the IHL had really been pleased with Shelby's "productivity," his contract would have been fully extended. It wasn't; they weren't. But what do YOU, O wise kiln eagle, find so admirable about Shelby's record of productivity as president? Or are you afraid to answer?

The last denial in the college was about a decade and a half ago. Doesn't happen.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Bidness Prof wrote:

Before you say they are at home doing research, very few people in the CoB are doing research.

You are correct on this point. The college has become the land of 4th year reviews, administrators, and worse.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Can you just imagine the headline in the Chronicle of Higher Education if the USM administration were dumb enough to install time clocks for faculty? We would be the laughing stock of the entire country and the president would forever be a joke. Can you imagine trying to recruit faculty after that?

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Bidness Prof wrote:

The last denial in the college was about a decade and a half ago. Doesn't happen.

Presumably Shelby, as President, and the deans and administrators he appoints, have to sign off on all tenure and promotion approvals. (At least that's how it's done elsewhere.) Does this mean, then, that Shelby himself, along with his minions, have found the productivity of these business professors satisfactory? If so, then why don't wanderer and kiln eagle address their complaints to the Big Guy (oops, I meant "little guy")?

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Fine Swiss Wrist Watch wrote:

Can you just imagine the headline in the Chronicle of Higher Education if the USM administration were dumb enough to install time clocks for faculty? We would be the laughing stock of the entire country and the president would forever be a joke. Can you imagine trying to recruit faculty after that?

Even I know that.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

None of the people I refer to had to go through Shelby to get tenure. It was mainly Aubrey Lucas.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Bidness Prof wrote:

None of the people I refer to had to go through Shelby to get tenure. It was mainly Aubrey Lucas.

Has Shelby tightened the process? Is he now holding faculty to wurl class standards? If he held himself to such standards, he would have fired himself about two years ago.

Date: Mar 18, 2006

Bidness Prof wrote:

I must say, at the risk of helping Wanderer, that most business professors teach either Tues/Thur or Mon/Wed schedules. Most of these never see Greene Hall on Fridays. That means they squeeze more like 3 weeks of vacation out of a semester. Before you say they are at home doing research, very few people in the CoB are doing research.

Doty knows about the absenteeism in the CoB. A disporportionate share of it is in his home department. He chooses to stay bunkered on the second floor, partly to provide himself the cover of plausible deniability.

Date: Mar 20, 2006

Posters, people like kiln eagle and wanderer (who are probably one and the same) are not here for any productive or useful purpose. They are here to stir the pot, and you all are helping them.
I respectfully suggest they be ignored as the agitators they are.

Date: Mar 20, 2006

LVN wrote:

Posters, people like kiln eagle and wanderer (who are probably one and the same) are not here for any productive or useful purpose. They are here to stir the pot, and you all are helping them.
I respectfully suggest they be ignored as the agitators they are.

Thanks, LVN, for stating what most of us see as obvious. You seem to have a knack for that.

Date: Mar 20, 2006

Poster On The Bored wrote:

LVN wrote: Posters, people like kiln eagle and wanderer (who are probably one and the same) are not here for any productive or useful purpose. They are here to stir the pot, and you all are helping them. I respectfully suggest they be ignored as the agitators they are. Thanks, LVN, for stating what most of us see as obvious. You seem to have a knack for that.

Leave LVN alone! She's all right!

Date: Mar 20, 2006

I rather took it as a compliment, even if it was not meant that way. Sometimes the "obvious" needs to be stated.

Date: Mar 20, 2006

You could have come by Greene this morning and have seen it was barely populated, about like always.