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Date: Mar 11, 2006

RE: COEP DEAN

Date: Mar 11, 2006

Cossack wrote:

Cossack-it is not about the 2/2--your colleague in business also sees this as the issue. It is about a bunch of the folks in psychology who have been speaking up for years and who have been taking hit after hit. If not the 2/2, it would have been something else. What really got SFT angry is what usually gets him angry--presenting evidence that he made a decision for which there is overwhelming data to suggest it was a poor decision. If you have problems in the COB, put them on the table. Collect data, come forward, and make it public. You and DMB are good indicators why it is so hard for faculty to organize and have input at USM. You post flames anonymoulsy, but refuse to participate in open meetings that could put your hide on the line. I understand fear and its ability to motivate people-both right and wrong. You can flame back at me all day long, but as I said to you in an earlier post, I would rather you join the AAUP and participate.

Is this post mis-attributed? Is it by Mitch answering Cossack rather than by Cossack?

Date: Mar 11, 2006

LVN wrote:

Cossack wrote: Cossack-it is not about the 2/2--your colleague in business also sees this as the issue. It is about a bunch of the folks in psychology who have been speaking up for years and who have been taking hit after hit. If not the 2/2, it would have been something else. What really got SFT angry is what usually gets him angry--presenting evidence that he made a decision for which there is overwhelming data to suggest it was a poor decision. If you have problems in the COB, put them on the table. Collect data, come forward, and make it public. You and DMB are good indicators why it is so hard for faculty to organize and have input at USM. You post flames anonymoulsy, but refuse to participate in open meetings that could put your hide on the line. I understand fear and its ability to motivate people-both right and wrong. You can flame back at me all day long, but as I said to you in an earlier post, I would rather you join the AAUP and participate. Is this post mis-attributed? Is it by Mitch answering Cossack rather than by Cossack?

It is Mitch

Date: Mar 11, 2006

Mitch, while you're in attack mode, why aren't you all blasting Pierce over and over here on this board? He's a big problem for CoEP at this point. He has decided to do whatever SFT tells him to do.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

bite mark analyst wrote:

Mitch, while you're in attack mode, why aren't you all blasting Pierce over and over here on this board? He's a big problem for CoEP at this point. He has decided to do whatever SFT tells him to do.

You are correct. Dean Pierce will do whatever SFT tells him to do. He made this clear at the department meeting. Psychology has no advocate in the Dean's office. However, he is not a big problem for all of COEP. CISE and ELR, as I pointed out are prospering.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

Dust My Broom wrote:

Mitch, ...Is the good psychologist suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder? ...

Actually, it is called Dissociative Identity Disorder. It is extremely rare and its mere existence is controversial.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

Techically wrote:

Dust My Broom wrote: Mitch, ...Is the good psychologist suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder? ... Actually, it is called Dissociative Identity Disorder. It is extremely rare and its mere existence is controversial.

But, I apparently have it!

Oh-and it's supposedly preceded by a severe trauma. Okay, maybe I do have it.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

Now that this thread is total hash, maybe everyone can take a deep breath and start over?

Date: Mar 11, 2006

Mitch wrote:

CoB prefect wrote: Mitch, will Psych get any of the CoB GAs? According to the initial plan circulated, Psy will lose GAs.

How many?

Date: Mar 11, 2006

Now, everyone is basically convinced that Mitch is the board's moderator. I would suggest everyone question posting here anymore.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

talan wrote:

Now, everyone is basically convinced that Mitch is the board's moderator. I would suggest everyone question posting here anymore.

Right, Mitch call the Broom a COB poster. Why did he do that? Maybe he knows, as moderator, all of the IP addresses. I don't know who Broom is. He/she claims not to be a COB faculty. Mitch seemed certain he/she is though, right off the bat. How else could that be?

Date: Mar 11, 2006

mitch--the damage is done regardless of removing the posts. why would i want to go to a AAUP meeting where you could verbally assault me there if you disagreed with me? i find it somewhat ironic that you can chide people who post anonymously (but your responses seem to prove why people do it) but you seem to have the power or prestige to get posts removed that you want removed.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

stinky cheese man wrote:

mitch--the damage is done regardless of removing the posts. why would i want to go to a AAUP meeting where you could verbally assault me there if you disagreed with me? i find it somewhat ironic that you can chide people who post anonymously (but your responses seem to prove why people do it) but you seem to have the power or prestige to get posts removed that you want removed.

Exactly. If a thread is giving me difficulty, let's delete. It's like the "Easy Button" on that tv commercial.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

I know someone who knows who the webmaster is. It is not Mitch. The webmaster on this board has usually honored requests for deletion. I notice that he/she also deleted the posts that I had asked to have removed. However, this person/people aren't omniscient and aren't on the board all the time.

I talked to my brother, the message board junkie (not on this one however) -- he says that IP addresses tell you very little. They change everytime you log on or off, and some providers like his (he's on bellsouth.net) show the same IP address for everyone on there.

Where's Invictus when we need him?

Date: Mar 11, 2006

One further note, and this has been mentioned before:

Why the huge type? Is there a reason for it? Unless there's some reason, it makes one think the poster believes their message is so incredibly important that they need to be in everyone's face. It seems rude.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

LVN, 2 wrote:

One further note, and this has been mentioned before: Why the huge type? Is there a reason for it? Unless there's some reason, it makes one think the poster believes their message is so incredibly important that they need to be in everyone's face. It seems rude.

LVN, I sometimes find that a post of mine also appears in large type. What I discovered is that this occurs when I copy my message into a program that allows spell checking, make corrections and copy back. It looks normal before posting (even in the preview), but when posted it appears is large type.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

stinky cheese man wrote:

mitch--the damage is done regardless of removing the posts. why would i want to go to a AAUP meeting where you could verbally assault me there if you disagreed with me? i find it somewhat ironic that you can chide people who post anonymously (but your responses seem to prove why people do it) but you seem to have the power or prestige to get posts removed that you want removed.

Actually. the Dust my Broom poster asked why my post was not deleted. Note that I responded to a personal attack. I complied with his or her request, and asked that these series of posts be deleted. Now you are attacking me for this? Geez. The "damage is done"? Give me a break.

It is also seems to me that you support the ability to post personal attacks anonymously. That is your right. I also think your notion that I would "verbally assault" someone in an open meeting is pretty ludicrous--

Although I posted by my name on the board, and the previous board, I have posted many more times under several board names.

SCM, what I learned is that replying to anonymous attackers, including your post, is a losing proposition. I will file my last post to this board on a new thread.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

by the "damage being done" i meant your response that if someone disagreed with how to deal with the thames administration they were somehow a "collaborator" was already said. i think that's an unfortunate position to take, and one that clearly will not help rebuild this university after thames leaves, particularly when it comes from the president of the local AAUP chapter.

i support posting anonymously, not personal attacks. i didn't find the poster to be personally attacking you. this person disagreed with you. if disagreement is a personal attack, then so be it. you have the power to get the webmaster to delete the posts.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

Large type wrote:

LVN, I sometimes find that a post of mine also appears in large type. What I discovered is that this occurs when I copy my message into a program that allows spell checking, make corrections and copy back. It looks normal before posting (even in the preview), but when posted it appears is large type.

If one copies text from the spell-checking program into the "notepad" program, all the

formatting would be wiped out. Then copy and paste that text into the message post on the board. All worries of posting large type should then be eliminated.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

stinky cheese man wrote:

mitch--the damage is done regardless of removing the posts. why would i want to go to a AAUP meeting where you could verbally assault me there if you disagreed with me? i find it somewhat ironic that you can chide people who post anonymously (but your responses seem to prove why people do it) but you seem to have the power or prestige to get posts removed that you want removed.

Wily: Watch my back!

Mitch: Oh, Wily! You think of everything!

Date: Mar 11, 2006

Large type wrote:

LVN, I sometimes find that a post of mine also appears in large type. What I discovered is that this occurs when I copy my message into a program that allows spell checking, make corrections and copy back. It looks normal before posting (even in the preview), but when posted it appears is large type.

Thanks for clearing that up. So, we should "never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by computers!"

Mitch, please do not stop posting.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

Shari Lewis and Lamb Chop wrote:

Wily: Watch my back! Mitch: Oh, Wily! You think of everything!

Mitch: I'll watch your back.

Wily: Oh, Mitch! You think of everything!

Date: Mar 11, 2006

Shari Lewis and Lamb Chop wrote:

Wily: Watch my back!
Mitch: Oh, Wily! You think of everything!

Why is Mitch supposed to be talking to a coyete?

Date: Mar 11, 2006

Mitch wrote:

I will file my last post to this board on a new thread.

Mitch, listen to your mamma. You have contributed much to this board, and you have much to contribute. I urge that you reconsider.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

I, too, hope that Mitch will not stop posting. Although I do not understand all the ins-and-outs of the issues you folks often discuss, I've always found his posts thoughtful and interesting.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

Mitch: Of course, you can't stop posting. You have lots to add. If you are being attacked, you are being heard.

Date: Mar 11, 2006

Our community has turned against us.

The reverse is also true. I cut my ties with the community and ran about a year ago. At first, it was anger and now it's a habit. A good habit. My teaching is better and my research output is way up. Less socializing, more work and not surprising what happens. Three other byproducts are the loss of weight (no more restaurant food), lower blood pressure (lower weight plus fewer Jethro comments to listen politely to), and a larger savings account.

Wish I had done this a long time ago.

Now you folks can continue your food fight. I'm sure our "friends" in the administration love this thread.

IMHO, you can't even compare 6 vs. 9 in my discipline with any percision. You folks want to compare psy to other stuff and make conclusions about who's working harder? Good luck.