Outside Observer wrote: Isn't there a stream of research in pscyhology which has examined why bystanders don't take action or get involved? I seem to remember a case in NYC where a large group of people simply stood by and watched some one beat another to death. I think it's more than just the "diffusion of responsibility" effect, but I can't really remember details.
You're referring to the murder of Kitty Genovese in NYC in the 1960s. Neighbors stood by and watched, afraid to act.
This is a sincere question: if you are a faculty member, and an ugly situation like the Stamper one exists, once the chair and dean are aware of it, what can you do? You can steer graduate students away from the person, perhaps, but what options are really open particularly for someone more junior than the offender?
By the way, I must once again protest the conflation of "liberal arts" with "politically liberal." That is not an automatic association, and I refuse to surrender the Liberal Arts that easily.
Neighbors stood by and watched, afraid to act. the Wikopedia entry is pretty good
Now that we've read the Wikopedia entry, I'll pose the question again: Who were the "bystanders" when Gary and Frank were kicked around? (a) The Department Chair, (b) The Dean, (c) The Provost, (d) All of the above, (e) None of the above, (f) Other [If "Other," specify here _______________.
multiple choice--answer your own question. i didn't mention G & S. you did. who constitutes a bystander? but whatever your answer, be principled and apply it to all appropriate cases.
lvn--to answer your question simply --speak out! why ask for any different action than what was expected for G & S? but, ultimately, the senior faculty in the affected department are the ones that have to be held accountable.
I do not doubt that they had problems with her dissertation. I think I understand what happened. The faculty was unwilling to protect one of their graduate students from a sexual predator, but they were very zealous in enforcing the high standards of scholarship on the victim. A person could lose respect very quickly for people of that ilk. I guess compassion was not in vogue during that period. Perhaps they felt guilt, but wanted the person they let down to go away so they did not have to see that person and be reminded of how they failed her.
I think you have it about right Cossack. Fleshing out your comments--
Stamper had in effect already signed off on Williams diss provided he got his quid pro quo, having assured her that he'd shepherd it through. Was this complete BS, or could he have fulfilled his promise? I'm inclined to believe he could have pulled it off.
Revisions were later suggested and she made them. Then she was shunned, completely ignored FOR FOUR YEARS by her new committee chair who finally brought himself to send a lame apologia. Then he counseled her to begin the dissertation anew . Even if her diss was completely without merit, waiting four years to respond is indefensible.
As was pointed out earlier on this thread and in court filings and sworn testimony, Stamper's questionable conduct was of long standing and well known in the English department and CLA. Although Ms. Williams was the first to publicly cast light on his sexual harassment, he'd been given a pass by his colleagues for years without censure or consequence. Is there anyone who sees this as anything less than appalling?
I actually think the issue of whether or not her dissertation as originally produced was meritorious is secondary to the shabby treatment she received after reporting, through the proper channels, an arguably criminal act perpetrated by a tenured faculty member. There has been much talk of conspiracies on this board. All evidence made public suggests that Davida Williams was the victim of a coverup conspiracy by the parties named in her suit, as well as other unnamed but knowledgeable individuals within the English department who opted to look the other way while she was being abused.
Since this board is still anonymous, I'm really hoping that someone privy to the "rest of the story" will step up to the plate and explain the failure to act of those who should have protected and defended Ms. Williams.
former doc student in english--i could quibble with some particulars, but i think you've summed it up pretty well. in fact, all doctoral programs would do well to learn from this case.
former doc student in english--i could quibble with some particulars, but i think you've summed it up pretty well. in fact, all doctoral programs would do well to learn from this case.
SCM:
I concede that in my haste (and rekindled agitation after reading the court decision) I over-generalized and made several assumptions about particulars of the case, some of which may be well off the mark. I should have issued a disclaimer to that effect.
I do wish to renew my request for any additional insights that can be provided by faculty contemporaries of Dr. Stamper.
And then there's the issue of Ms. Williams' dissertation. Consider the known facts. Her grades were superior, her comps were passed with flying colors, and her committee (not just Stamper) approved the dissertation prospectus. We know that her initial submission was deemed insufficient, which is not unusual. Cannot one reasonably assume that given the usual and customary support and mentoring offered doctoral candidates, she could have eventually produced and successfully defended her dissertation? I'd wager that she'd have done so.
Sadly, she was doubly abused--first by Stamper, and then by a faculty and administration indifferent to her plight.
No need to apologize to SCM about a thing. Chaze isn't losing in these courtcases; he's provided hope for the oppressed. SCM knows that. Williams lost her soul in her case but it wasn't her own fault. May she regain it and thrive very soon. Potshots against her or Chaze don't sit well unless those lame observers who speak before they think give the situation a better consideration, I find it disturbing that the implication exists along with the beaurocracy.
Thank you for your post. Until you posted, this issue was abstract, as if it had happened at another place in another time long ago. In reality, it was worse than you state for the person who was singled out, attacked, and shunned. Usually these victims are gentle souls who do not like violence and find it hard to fight back. I taught my two daughters that they should immediately go on the offensive if this happened. However, that is difficult to do for many people to do. It is doubly difficult when the victim expects that others will come to her aid, and then the victim learns that the attack is part of a group effort. We know from history that good people can sit by and allow bad things to happen to others.
Hopefully, the outcome of this case, and the subsequent discussions on this Board, will help to prevent future violations. This brings me to ask if these violations continue in that Department, that College, or this University?
It gives me hope that there have been no posts that have blamed the victim, at least directly. Remarkably, no one has yet blamed George Bush for creating this situation.
I haven't read all this thread carefully, so this might have been mentioned. Busy faculty have to be prodded to keep up with dissertations. There is so much to do that often they are put aside until the student really pushes. Did she push Dr. McCraw, who was an honorable man?
That said, what happened to her with Stamper and the administration is horrible. But what is worse is that for years all women had to endure such treatment. I think we saw the last vestiges (hopefully the last) of "this is what boys do" at USM in the late 90's. (Though I do know of the harrasser in music--though he didn't affect academics. He just made life sort of miserable.) More and more educated women are not afraid to raise hell now--thanks to people who have led the way. Lets hope the same for the uneducated ones.
I haven't read all this thread carefully, so this might have been mentioned. Busy faculty have to be prodded to keep up with dissertations. There is so much to do that often they are put aside until the student really pushes. Did she push Dr. McCraw, who was an honorable man?
He may have been an honorable man. However, honorable men do not have to be pushed to be honorable. An honorable man would have acknowledged that an evil had been perpetrated and would have gone the extra mile to atone. That is, he would have reached out to the victim and assisted her in every way to finish. It would be nice to hear that one brave soul stepped forward and supported her (other than Kim Chaze). Perhaps there were and I do not know about them. Perhaps her fellow graduate students supported her unless the conspiracy to do nothing was silently imposed on other graduate students. Perhaps some one knows.
This is a sincere question: if you are a faculty member, and an ugly situation like the Stamper one exists, once the chair and dean are aware of it, what can you do? You can steer graduate students away from the person, perhaps, but what options are really open particularly for someone more junior than the offender?
LVN, please take great comfort in knowing that when they come for you, there are no options really open for the rest of us. We are all junior to someone. As you suggest, we must all look out for number one -- which is me. I'll be really sorry when they stick it to you (or anyone else), but what can I do?
If this is truly what we are -- I am ashamed for you, me and my colleagues.
Yet another one harrassed wrote: Thanks for standing strong, Davida! Hope whatever amount of money that you settled for makes it a little bit easier for you. One never really ever recovers. Weren't Stamper and several other USM profs and administrators named as co-defendants in the Williams suit? With respect to the damage award, is USM (actually the taxpayers of Mississippi) liable for the entire amount, or does some of it come from the pockets of other named parties? I'd appreciate a short tutorial on who takes the hit for paying out the cash . It seems to me that Stamper and the others who conveniently looked the other way while this was happening should at least be co-liable for paying. By the way, whatever money Ms. Williams receives, she deserves.
Wishful thinking wrote: LVN wrote: This is a sincere question: if you are a faculty member, and an ugly situation like the Stamper one exists, once the chair and dean are aware of it, what can you do? You can steer graduate students away from the person, perhaps, but what options are really open particularly for someone more junior than the offender?
LVN, please take great comfort in knowing that when they come for you, there are no options really open for the rest of us. We are all junior to someone. As you suggest, we must all look out for number one -- which is me. I'll be really sorry when they stick it to you (or anyone else), but what can I do? If this is truly what we are -- I am ashamed for you, me and my colleagues.
I suggested nothing of the kind, and I'll thank you not to impute attitudes and opinions to me which I do not hold. I am not a faculty member, and as I said at the beginning, "This is a sincere question" -- in other words, please describe what junior faculty can do. In the situation I do know about, in a medical school, the harrasser held many careers in his hand. Complaints and speaking up did nothing for a long time, but over time the sheer number, the intensity of them and the fact that he harrassed a colleague's wife got him removed from his position (but not from the department, he was too famous.)
Perhaps her fellow graduate students supported her unless the conspiracy to do nothing was silently imposed on other graduate students. Perhaps some one knows.
I know a little about those times. We, the grad students, were generally aware of Stamper's reputation for predation and female students were warned early on via the English department underground to beware of his overtures. Later, after the assault, some of us learned of the Davida Williams predicament with Stamper. Keep in mind that he was a senior faculty member and her committee chair. He was essentially holding her dissertation hostage. And her future. We encouraged her to report the situation to the department chair and dean, which she did. We had faith in the "system," and in the two individuals who occupied those positions. To say that we were naive in our faith is a colossal understatement. I'm sure you well recall your days as a graduate student, particularly as a doctoral candidate, when you occupied that ill-defined middle ground somewhere between lowly student and academy colleague. It was a scary place. What little influence you possessed was a function of your relationships with faculty. Rocking the boat was a sure way to dissolve those relationships. While I don't recall anyone imposing an order of silence on us it was certainly implicit. It seemed as though the English faculty had closed ranks around Stamper and the message to the rest of us was pretty clear. You can imagine the chilling effect on those who may have otherwise been inclined to be vocal with our support. I'm in another state and not attuned to the climate at USM, aside from what I read on this board. I truly hope it has changed for the better.
You can imagine the chilling effect on those who may have otherwise been inclined to be vocal with our support.
There is a wonderful poem by an unknown author that ends "Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me." By allowing these disgusting people to terrorize people like Ms. Williams, we simply shiver in the dark and hope that we will be overlooked. Someday they probably will come for us and we will, like Ms. Williams, be all alone.
wt, you must be new to the board. That poem has been referenced many times on this board, and in fact there was a very intense debate a few months ago as to whether it was appropriate in our context. And the author is far from unknown; he was a German Lutheran pastor. I'd tell you his name, but it takes time for names to come to me and I've only had two cups of coffee so far. Give me an hour.
wishful thinking wrote: There is a wonderful poem by an unknown author that ends "Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me."
The statement is by Martin Niemöller. Harold Marcuse has summarized his search for the "original" quote: http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/niem.htm
Apparently, Niemöller used this theme in a number of contexts, and changed the list of those affected from time to time.
It seems to me that Stamper and the others who conveniently looked the other way while this was happening should at least be co-liable for paying. By the way, whatever money Ms. Williams receives, she deserves.
YES. Including Aubrey (aka Bowtie Man) Lucas.
Does anyone happen to know if the complaint Williams filed with Wheeler and Dean Harper ever reached the desk of Dr. Lucas? From what I've read here, Lucas swept similar misdeeds under the carpet, specifically those of the current USM president. I'm just wondering if the coverup buck stops at the college and department level, or was Lucas complicit as well? I noticed that he wasn't a named party in her suit and wonder if that's significant.
Another old lady wrote: Busy faculty have to be prodded to keep up with dissertations. There is so much to do that often they are put aside until the student really pushes.
While this may be true, it is part of the faculty member's job to keep up with the dissertations they take on. In fact, given how many students finish their course work, but never finish their dissertations, the person who should be "pushing" is the faculty member.
The amount of sexual harassment that continues in academia is apalling. In my discipline there is a famous story about a faculty member at Yale who thought he was e-mailing one specific graduate student to tell her his wife was out of town and to come over. The e-mail went to all of the graduate students! The faculty member is still there.
It was interesting last month in a job search where I am, when we had two candidates who graduated from Yale--a male with great letters from faculty who turned out to be a disaster, and a female with lukewarm letters who was marvelous. I can't help but think that the letters were the way they were because she refused to sleep with her advisor(s).
wishful thinking wrote: There is a wonderful poem by an unknown author that ends "Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me." The statement is by Martin Niemöller. Harold Marcuse has summarized his search for the "original" quote: http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/niem.htm Apparently, Niemöller used this theme in a number of contexts, and changed the list of those affected from time to time.
Thanks. I'm just a business prof looking for a new job. Whoever wrote it is absolutely right. This place is really, really scary. I don't intend to trust my future to USM.
Another old lady wrote: Busy faculty have to be prodded to keep up with dissertations. There is so much to do that often they are put aside until the student really pushes.
Good Lord, what manner of communication from a student would conform to your idea of really pushing? I'd urge you to read the court's chronology of Williams' attempts to meet with McGraw. Between 1990 and 1995 she wrote him numerous letters, seven to be precise, in addition to her phone calls. She was literally begging for an audience with him. All her efforts were ignored until finally, after four long years, she received a letter from McGraw averring "...let me apologize for the unconscionable lateness of this letter....I got distracted...I am sorry if I have caused you any inconvenience." Do you find his behavior acceptable, even for a "busy faculty" member? Gimme a break.
foot soldier wrote: Another old lady wrote: Busy faculty have to be prodded to keep up with dissertations. There is so much to do that often they are put aside until the student really pushes. Good Lord, what manner of communication from a student would conform to your idea of really pushing? I'd urge you to read the court's chronology of Williams' attempts to meet with McGraw. Between 1990 and 1995 she wrote him numerous letters, seven to be precise, in addition to her phone calls. She was literally begging for an audience with him. All her efforts were ignored until finally, after four long years, she received a letter from McGraw averring "...let me apologize for the unconscionable lateness of this letter....I got distracted...I am sorry if I have caused you any inconvenience." Do you find his behavior acceptable, even for a "busy faculty" member? Gimme a break.
I have no idea why my post appeared twice. I'd appreciate the Webmaster deleting the duplicate. Thanks.
As I said in my post, I had not read the entire thread or the legal document carefully. After reading more, I agree with you--that she received terribl, in fact unconsciable, treatment.
What I'm also saying is that this has been a fact of life for women everywhere. And it often seems easier just to "put up" rather than raise a stink. Thank goodness this is changing. I loved the story of LVN's mother. There was a time when this was our only recourse.
Newcomer, did you read the previous posts? This was a student, so no, she wasn't promoted or given hush money. She's getting money now because she sued and after a long ordeal the case has been settled for an undisclosed amount. In addition, there is a link on this thread which will give you the details as to chronology, people involved, etc.
Yes, this is a terrible situation, but it is not unique to USM in the same way that having a world-class dysfunctional president is unique to USM.
Newcomer, did you read the previous posts? This was a student, so no, she wasn't promoted or given hush money. She's getting money now because she sued and after a long ordeal the case has been settled for an undisclosed amount. In addition, there is a link on this thread which will give you the details as to chronology, people involved, etc. Yes, this is a terrible situation, but it is not unique to USM in the same way that having a world-class dysfunctional president is unique to USM.
I've read this thread thoroughly. I wasn't referring to the Davida Williams case. I was asking about the earlier sexual harassment case involving Shelby Thames, which apparently occurred during the Lucas presidency and was "hushed up" by Dr. Lucas. I've read elsewhere that Thames received a rap on the knuckles and was relieved of his administrative duties on the coast. I want to know what became of the individual whom he harassed. I don't know whether she was staff, faculty, or a student, or how she fared in the coverup.