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truth4usm/AH

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Originally posted by: USM Sympathizer
" My understanding was that the entire site would shut down, but I hope I am wrong.  It would be nice if someone with computer expertise, and ideally who resides in Hattiesburg, would take up Zorro's challenge to maintain the site.  The AAUP site is great, but SFT can always claim (falsely) that the AAUP site speaks only for a small segment of the faculty, whereas the FS site had an aura of being a meeting place for practically everyone.  I'm sure the AAUP site will eventually develop that same aura, but its offical connection with a faculty group gives SFT a PR advantage he didn't have with the FS site.  Thus, if it is somehow possible to maintain the FS site, it would be great to do so. "



As it's a moot point now, I can reveal that I was interested in taking on the "mask of Zorro" and keeping the message board portion of Fire Shelby alive.  I feel awful that it's closing down (for many reasons), and since plenty of people already think I am Fire Shelby anyway (I'm really not!), I was willing to do it.  But, I understand that this is Fire Shelby's baby, and it is FS's perogative whether to close it or not.  I respect that position.



On the other hand, if people think that there would be interest in another message board (FS II??) apart from the AAUP-USM message board, I'd be willing to entertain the notion of creating it/moderating it.  The problem with the AAUP-USM message board (as I understand it) will be that there won't be a day-to-day troll-zapper person on there like FS has been here.  I think that's a vital function of the moderator (and probably what FS is tired of doing!). 



So, let me know, devoted followers of Fire Shelby.  Would you be willing to "move" to another message board to continue to community/discussions?  Let me know...I'll be waiting to hear from you. 



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usmstudent

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I would love to see a new board, but it would be nice if everyone from the FS board went to one place (either the AAUP board or the new FS one).


 



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USM Sympathizer

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Originally posted by: usmstudent
"I would love to see a new board, but it would be nice if everyone from the FS board went to one place (either the AAUP board or the new FS one).  "

I tend to agree: one board would be better than two.  How would the folks at the AAUP feel about a separate board?  If they have no objections, I can see reasons for having a "main" board separate from this one.  For one thing, such a board would be less liable to charges (from SFT) of being merely the voice of the AAUP.  Either way, though, is fine with me.



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Amy Young

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Asking AAUP what they think about another message board is a little problematic since there are about 100 members.  However, I think that some kind of message board is important.  Given the kinds of discussions that occurred on FS, perhaps someone who can devote more time to moderating would be a good idea.  Perhaps the individual who runs this board should chime in.


Amy Young



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Invictus

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This is probably a dumb question, but does Activeboard permit multiple moderators? (I'm not volunteering, but certainly there are others who are younger & more foolish, I mean, energetic than I...)

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foot soldier

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It sounds like a team effort is in order, if it was too much for one person. Unfortunately, I'm not volunteering.

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fhaiman

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amy--how do your reconcile AAUP's positions on free speech (which I felt you did well in your initial post about the message board) and those that may want to oppress what they perceive to be "trolls."  (given the old FS board)?  can moderators, if you appoint them, manage "trolls" like was done on the FS board?   what is AAUP's position about discussion boards they manage?

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fhaiman

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amy--do i gather from your most recent post you do not manage this discussion board?  does a member of AAUP manage it?

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truth4usm

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Here's a repost of my response to you, fhaiman, from the old Fire Shelby board.  The more I think about it, the more I think that this board will do us all just fine.  I have enough on my plate these days without spending my precious time worrying about folks such as yourself and your "views" of free speech.  You'll find all the free speech you need here, fhaiman.  Enjoy it.


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Originally posted by: fhaiman
"i'm afraid your comments toward the end of your post indicate your real concerns about the aaup discussion board--it won't have a "troll zapper."  golly, it won't be possible to stifle free speech, even when it disagrees with your point of view.  lots of people (particularly you ah) felt free to stifle free speech when it disagreed with your point of view.  i think amy young laid out a defensible position, but you are uncomfortable with the inability to stifle (or stigmatize) points of view that do not coincide with yours or what "you" believe to be the purpose of the board.  what we need is more free speech not less!!!!"



Free speech does not cover yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater.  It also does not cover messages on a moderated message board that viciously attack other board members personally (which happened to me more than a few times here).  Get your facts straight before you come here anonymously blasting me for my position.  Free speech is reeeeeaaaal easy when you're hiding, now, isn't it? 



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Amy Young

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I have nothing to do with the message board, I only post and read!



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elliott

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Originally posted by: fhaiman
"amy--how do your reconcile AAUP's positions on free speech (which I felt you did well in your initial post about the message board) and those that may want to oppress what they perceive to be "trolls."  (given the old FS board)?  can moderators, if you appoint them, manage "trolls" like was done on the FS board?   what is AAUP's position about discussion boards they manage?"
It seems some may have a misconception about what "free speech" is.  Freedom of speech doesn't give someone the right to stake a political placard in my front yard without my permission, nor does it mean they can put a message on my website without my say.  It does, however, mean you can stake that placard in your own yard without being stopped, and you can start your own website to get your message out if you choose.

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USM Sympathizer

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Originally posted by: elliott
"It seems some may have a misconception about what "free speech" is.  Freedom of speech doesn't give someone the right to stake a political placard in my front yard without my permission, nor does it mean they can put a message on my website without my say.  It does, however, mean you can stake that placard in your own yard without being stopped, and you can start your own website to get your message out if you choose."

 


Thanks, Elliott!  This is one of the best explanations I have read of the logic behind a message board. 


Having said that, I hope that thoughtful supporters of SFT will be able to join in our conversations, as long as they don't become belligerent or abusive.  I have found it useful to know what and how they think.  I am still hoping, for instance, that Machiavelli (who, I guess, would not claim to be a supporter of SFT) will give me five specific examples of how the faculty should meet SFT "half-way."  He may have posted his response to the FS board before I had a chance to read his comments; if so, I apologize for raising the issue again.



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truth4usm/AH

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Originally posted by: USM Sympathizer
"   Thanks, Elliott!  This is one of the best explanations I have read of the logic behind a message board.  Having said that, I hope that thoughtful supporters of SFT will be able to join in our conversations, as long as they don't become belligerent or abusive.  I have found it useful to know what and how they think.  I am still hoping, for instance, that Machiavelli (who, I guess, would not claim to be a supporter of SFT) will give me five specific examples of how the faculty should meet SFT "half-way."  He may have posted his response to the FS board before I had a chance to read his comments; if so, I apologize for raising the issue again."
I think that's a great question, USM Symp.  Mach, we're waiting for your answer....

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fhaiman

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amy--thanks for the clarification.

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