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Nursing data
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According to the Mississippi state nursing board 2005 annual report, the first time pass rates for BSN programs were, in alphabetical order: Alcorn 100%, Delta State 75%, MC 87%, MUW 95%, UMMC 87%, USM 80%, William Carey 91%. It would appear that the faculty losses of recent years continue to take their toll. Mistreating the former dean and taking away college status were not brilliant moves.





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What a difference a year makes!

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As stated on a thread from last week, the Nursing scores at USM are up from last year.  The people who worked hard to make that possible deserve some credit.

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Cowboy

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It's conforting to know our passing rate scores exceed those of one school in the state. Yipee! 



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thamesbeliever

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faculty's fault
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Seems to me that we have a bunch of inept faculty.  Dr. Thames did his best to tighten the ship over there.  It was throwing good money after bad.  I think we should hold those lazy liberal nursing faculty accountable.  They have failed.  Need some more resource reallocation it would appear.

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RE: Nursing data
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They seem to be reallocating themselves right out the door.

Now I know thamesbeliever is a fake.

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Not just for Nursing anymore

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Academic programs all over the campus have suffered during the past few years. Some of the damage has been enormous. If all degree programs had a national exit exam, or even something akin to the NCLEX, most would show the damage that has occurred.


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Across town

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thamesbeliever wrote:

Seems to me that we have a bunch of inept faculty.  Dr. Thames did his best to tighten the ship over there.  It was throwing good money after bad.  I think we should hold those lazy liberal nursing faculty accountable.  They have failed.  Need some more resource reallocation it would appear.
That ill advised tight ship ran many fine USM nursing faculty over to William Carey College. Check out the William Carey pass rate, bozo. It's all about leadership and people skills. Honda and Toyota were making good cars in the U.S. with American workers when General Motors and Ford were turning out junk. It wasn't the American worker and it isn't the USM faculty member that has severely damaged USM.


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Local medical observer

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I think some of USM's relatively poor performance may be due to the faculty. They,like many others at the school,write alot of bonehead,esoteric papers that are great for the academic game but do little or nothing for helping students become good knowledgeable nurses. Many of the faculty spend precious little time with patients. At schools like Alcorn,Delta State etc.,the patient comes first.

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Little old lady

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They write a bunch of bonehead esoteric papers because they're COLLEGE PROFESSORS. It's a University, not a trade school (yet). You can get good RN's from PRCC, Jones, and other places. You get BSNs from universities.

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Betadine

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Local medical observer wrote:

I think some of USM's relatively poor performance may be due to the faculty. They,like many others at the school,write alot of bonehead,esoteric papers that are great for the academic game but do little or nothing for helping students become good knowledgeable nurses. Many of the faculty spend precious little time with patients.
It sounds like you want us to train unthinking technicians. This is not a trade school.

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thamesbeliever

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LVN wrong
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Well LVN, I'm back from a conference in the "real world" concerning the area of practice of concern by our nursing graduates.  Can you say the same?  I am IN our community.


As to me being a fake, I have been gone, but I see "local medical observer" agrees with me.  If anyone checks, we are not the same person or computer.


You had better listen to people in the community like LMO before you lose your nursing program.


Dr. Thames has tried his best to rid the university for do nothings and lazy golf players.  The nurses led the charge out there with their silly and contamaceous protest against our leader, Dr. Thames.


I think the IHL is looking at making several "changes" in flagship leadership, and I am sure USM's failing nursing debacle is in their sights, as is Fine Arts.  I think Ole Miss will end up being THE university of this state, with all the important programs.


USM will be where they really should be, given that we don't have resources to fund all 8 schools, and of course, the Ayers income transfer.  I'd expect USM to excell in science/technology and Economic Development, what with the TL Center and all, and all the great scholars that ED has assembled. 



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Stephen Judd

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RE: Nursing data
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thamesbeliever wrote:

Well LVN, I'm back from a conference in the "real world" concerning the area of practice of concern by our nursing graduates.  Can you say the same?  I am IN our community. As to me being a fake, I have been gone, but I see "local medical observer" agrees with me.  If anyone checks, we are not the same person or computer. You had better listen to people in the community like LMO before you lose your nursing program. Dr. Thames has tried his best to rid the university for do nothings and lazy golf players.  The nurses led the charge out there with their silly and contamaceous protest against our leader, Dr. Thames. I think the IHL is looking at making several "changes" in flagship leadership, and I am sure USM's failing nursing debacle is in their sights, as is Fine Arts.  I think Ole Miss will end up being THE university of this state, with all the important programs. USM will be where they really should be, given that we don't have resources to fund all 8 schools, and of course, the Ayers income transfer.  I'd expect USM to excell in science/technology and Economic Development, what with the TL Center and all, and all the great scholars that ED has assembled. 

Now why on earth did you drag Fine Arts into this? The arts programs have for years been among the most successful and visible programs at this university. Once upon a time we had the only College of Fine Arts in the State. We now have the only MFA programs in theatre in the state. We have the only BFA dance program among state schools, and only one of two BA ED programs. Music has had  a regionla and in some cases national reputation for years and the Art Program is improving with new facilities and increased majors. It has been the sweat equity of dedicated faculty members, donars and supporters; strong students and former administrations that understood that if you can't give great funding to the arts then the best course is to get out of the way of artists because they are used to making their ownway in the world anyhow that have contributed to this success.


If USM doesn't remain the preeminent university in the arts in this state then it is because 1) people like you have given it away and 2) their is some agenda in at a higher level than this university to denude USM of its best programs.


My office is 204 TAD -- I'll be happy to take show you around our building (which functions from 8 in the morning until past midnight with classes, rehearsals and studios) take you to coffee.


There are probaby close to a thousand arts students on this campus. It is probably one of the most energetic and diverse student and faculty communities we have. It gains the university excellent public relations and public visibility. There is absolutely no good reason to sell it down the river.


 Unless of course, you really are a ThamesBeliver and not a USM Believer. They are not synonymous.



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stephen judd

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As usual folks, my added disclaimer about spelling. You'll note to the degree that I get slightly excited my hands go faster and my spelling drops correspondingly. And "their" is obviously "there".


Oops.



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thamesbeliever

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Dr. Judd
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I really appreciate Dr. Judd's comments, and I know the position that USM held.  That is past tense.


Things are changing and the full impact will probably come down in about a decade, when the new president is picked by Dr. Meredith to implement the "change" that Dr. Thames started.


I could be wrong Steven, but that is my take being in the real world, and having ties to universities other than USM.


Resources are not available to fund USM to its "past" leadership roles.  I am convinced that the dominos will begin falling in a different direction.


I did not mean to step on FA toes.  USM "had" a good little program, cultivated under Aubrey.  But those days are gone, as you must know by now.  Just stating reality, and Dr. Judd, you are an exemplary faculty member I am sure, and persistent AAUPer.  Downsizing IS in your future here.  The wheels are already turning at the IHL, as soon as Dr. Thames is gone.  The policy will continue, though management style might be a bit more faculty friendly.  It seems to us outside USM that your university has more liberals and dead beats, so the pendulum has swung on that rooting out count.  I don't know how Meridith will pick a president. I do know that IHL has a "plan" and it is not what you people want.  I am just saying, it is time to accept the inevigtable.   


If what I read from many on this board is true (I don't know everything obviously), you have already felt the impending and inevitable downsizing of this university to a more realistic mission statement.


BTW, go to registration, and yes, you won't have to put up with me.  So, go for it and stand behind free speech.  You will have a board of anti-Thames kool aid drinkers, which I believe was your original intent.



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Cossack

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RE: Nursing data
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If the Board had a plan, SFT would not be President. Downsizing USM is not going to happen. The demographics of the state are against it. If Ole Miss grows, it will be from out of state students. State will continue to grow some, but it is far from population centers. USM will grow because the population growth will be South of I20. I am under no illusions that the Board would like to make USM worse off, but there is a limit to how much they can do without political fallout. Right now, it is not clear to the bulk of observers that the Board is out to "get" USM. When it becomes more evident, and it will if the Board continues to crap on USM, it will then become a political issue. Eventually, even the SFT backers will wake up and see that what is destroying USM is the lack of leadership at the Board level and the Presidential level.

Part of the destruction that has occurred is the outsourcing of service activities. USM is raking in cash for SFT to spend while selling the soul of the University. Much of the productivity of a university or a business is the result of the goodwill of the employees. When ones sees employees who have 23 years at USM fired so that the President has some cash to spend, the goodwill and loyalty evaporates. Over time, USM faculty and other employees will go through the motions, but without commitment. Many of the posters who seem to like what is currently going on claim to be alumni or supporters of USM. Either they are not supporters or they have no concept of how human beings act.

If you are in charge of an organization that is successful, you provide leadership and create an environment that results in employees providing discretionary effort. If you choose the other route of driving employees through intimidation and fear, the organization deteriorates. If you "love" USM, you should be very worried. If you hate USM, then you can cheer.


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LeftASAP

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thamesbeliever wrote:

...It seems to us outside USM that your university has more liberals and dead beats, so the pendulum has swung on that rooting out count. ...


I would be very interested, Thamesbeliever, to hear your opinion as to WHY those (including you) outside the university think the faculty "has more liberals and dead beats".  I know SFT, his supporters and Roy Klumb has stated this as fact, but no one seems to provide evidence.


My opinion is that SFT had to explain why the faculty were against his being president and argued that he would make them work ( "a days work for a days pay").  But he never supplied any evidence of this.  The public just believed what he said.   Just because he has the opinion the faculty could be bringing in lots of money, so they must be lazy if they aren't, does not make that true.  Faculty at USM have been the most productive with the resources available than any faculty I know.


Thamesbeliver, I wish you would stop believing and start demanding evidence for your position.  Ask questions.  Ask those who think as you do, "Why do you have that opinion?" and see if you get evidence or political spin as an answer.

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thamesbeliever

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Mr. Cossack.  You write very eloqently.  I am not a USM graduate.  I am a physician and a graduate of UMC.  I support all the schools as much as I can because growth is good.


 


As to LeftASAP, I have no comment on the obvious. In my practice, I hear and see it.  You dont see such outspoken, public antics at UM and MSU, for example, by liberal professors, slamming Christians, slamming the flag, desecrating prayer, trumping for gay rights, molly coddling terrorist thinking in the newspaper (that balding radical activist in religion) and defying their superiors (Dr. Thames).  You will never see this in Oxford or Starkville, where education of students is number one, not leftist indoctrination.


This board is even worse.  It is a sounding board for liberal, left wingers who hate George W. Bush and it seems that Republicans are just dismissed as wrong.  Go look at the thread on "intelligent design" how our Christian leaders are mocked and made fun of.  Is there ANY conservative on this board? Why do you liberal kool aid drinking, leftist AAUPes think you are fooling anyone?  If this is an anti-Thames board, then why is such thinking the accepted "line" most everyone holds as self evident?  Why not stick to Thames issues and leave the conservatives and people with morals out of this.


You have no credibility.  It is just assumed that the Democratic, left way of think is CORRECT and the other is pro Thames and wrong.  Evidence is in most every thread.   


This is not the case with professors at Ole Miss and MSU.  You don't see them out on the golf course and not in their offices.  USM professors, for the most part, exhibit openly their leftist ideology in the Hattiesburg American.  I never see this from Oxford or Starkville. 


I have heard disgruntled professors "whine" in my practice, but I don't hear other schools doing that.  They have their problems, yes, but they keep it behind closed doors for the good of the students. 


We have too many Ward Churchills out there on Hardy St.   I think all one has to do is look at the nursing failure rates, the demise of Psychology, the business debacle, the Thames confidence vote, and you will see a bunch of rebelious riff raff who don't teach.


As to a piece of paper with names and numbers and affiliations, I'll leave that to higher powers.


 



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Retiree

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RE: Nursing data
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I wonder what our colleagues at UM and MSU would think of the post immediately preceding this one.

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Cossack

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To thamesbeliever

I think the solution for USM is put SFT in charge of the Medical School. We are quite willing to share, and that would give you first hand insight on the results. After a few years when it loses its accreditation you can talk about the good old days when the State of Mississippi had an accredited Med School. Believe me, he would immediately begin to meddle into the workings of the Med School. The fact that he knows nothing about running a med school would not deter him. If he does not want to move, after he is done with being President at USM, you can hire him to run the business side of your practice. After alienating all of your staff and many of your patients, you will have lost a ton of money, but you will have a WURL CLASS practice. Maybe he should shoot higher and become CEO of Hattiesburg Clinic. He will put a stop to the socialist structure of giving each doctor an equal share in governance. Of course, the Clinic structure has become one of the best-managed medical operations in the country, but who cares. You cannot have participatory management in a clinic because you doctors cannot be trusted to do what is best. You need an overseer with a big whip.

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Outside Observer

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I sincerely doubt if Thamesbeliever is really a physician.  And there are a number of Conservatives on this board.

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WTF Professor

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Thamesbeliever, not everyone here disagrees with you.  Some of us think that the resources should go to the profit centers on campus.  Some of us think the recent reallocation of graduate assistantships is a positive move forward for the university.  The addition of "economic development" to the traditional 3 responsibilities of the faculty was also an important step taken by Dr. Thames and Dr. Grimes.

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WTF Professor wrote:

Thamesbeliever, not everyone here disagrees with you.  Some of us think that the resources should go to the profit centers on campus.  Some of us think the recent reallocation of graduate assistantships is a positive move forward for the university.  The addition of "economic development" to the traditional 3 responsibilities of the faculty was also an important step taken by Dr. Thames and Dr. Grimes.
I messed up my screen nickname, should be WFT Professor.

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Joker

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WFT Professor wrote:

WTF Professor wrote:  I messed up my screen nickname, should be WFT Professor.
No, I think you had it correct the forst time, WTF.  You don't mind me calling you WTF for short do you? 

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WFT Professor

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Cossack, today you are siding with LeftASAP.  Tomorrow, when you try to ask for help in a situation involving some stupid thing your Dean did, LeftASAP won't be there for you.  In fact, he/she will stand against you.  Good luck with that. 

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LeftASAP

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thamesbeliever wrote:

As to LeftASAP, I have no comment on the obvious. In my practice, I hear and see it.  You dont see such outspoken, public antics at UM and MSU, for example, by liberal professors, slamming Christians, slamming the flag, desecrating prayer, trumping for gay rights, molly coddling terrorist thinking in the newspaper (that balding radical activist in religion) and defying their superiors (Dr. Thames).  You will never see this in Oxford or Starkville, where education of students is number one, not leftist indoctrination. This board is even worse.  It is a sounding board for liberal, left wingers who hate George W. Bush and it seems that Republicans are just dismissed as wrong.  Go look at the thread on "intelligent design" how our Christian leaders are mocked and made fun of.  Is there ANY conservative on this board? Why do you liberal kool aid drinking, leftist AAUPes think you are fooling anyone?  If this is an anti-Thames board, then why is such thinking the accepted "line" most everyone holds as self evident?  Why not stick to Thames issues and leave the conservatives and people with morals out of this. You have no credibility.  It is just assumed that the Democratic, left way of think is CORRECT and the other is pro Thames and wrong.  Evidence is in most every thread.    This is not the case with professors at Ole Miss and MSU.  You don't see them out on the golf course and not in their offices.  USM professors, for the most part, exhibit openly their leftist ideology in the Hattiesburg American.  I never see this from Oxford or Starkville.  I have heard disgruntled professors "whine" in my practice, but I don't hear other schools doing that.  They have their problems, yes, but they keep it behind closed doors for the good of the students.  We have too many Ward Churchills out there on Hardy St.   I think all one has to do is look at the nursing failure rates, the demise of Psychology, the business debacle, the Thames confidence vote, and you will see a bunch of rebelious riff raff who don't teach. As to a piece of paper with names and numbers and affiliations, I'll leave that to higher powers.  

Thanks for responding, Thamesbeliever.  I must point out to readers that you provided no objective evidence, but point to your opinions through private information from members of the community.   Without knowing who on this board are professors, you refer to them as "liberal", a useless buzz word used in the Bible belt to demonize the opposition.  I read with interest the your claim  of USM faculty, "slamming Christians, slamming the flag, desecrating prayer, trumping for gay rights, molly coddling terrorist thinking in the newspaper (that balding radical activist in religion) and defying their superiors (Dr. Thames).    I have no idea how you spin reality to come to these opinions because you supply no examples. 


I have read and participated in the discussion on Intelligent Design.  I saw logical argument backed by evidence debating religious belief.  If someone points out a logical error made by a Christian, that doesn't equate to "slamming Christians".  Rather it is Slamming poor reasoning. 



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thamesbeliever

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Mr Cossack's apparent bias against the local medical community is sure on display.  What is your problem?  I do not divulge with whom I am associated, if that is what you are getting at.  I treat patients all the same, and no one knows my personal beliefs.  I follow the oath, and nod my head when professors complain.  I do understand there is great grief out there, and much of our caseload is USM profs. So, I feel I understand their feelings, the ones I deal with. 


I do not understand your tirade against Hattiesburg Clinic?


The IHL board chose a different path for UM, UMC, MSU, and all the others.  They all have their "role" to play.


No one disputed my leftist hypothesis because it true.



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LeftASAP

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RE: Nursing data
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WFT Professor wrote:

Cossack, today you are siding with LeftASAP.  Tomorrow, when you try to ask for help in a situation involving some stupid thing your Dean did, LeftASAP won't be there for you.  In fact, he/she will stand against you.  Good luck with that. 

Who cares WTF...err.. WFT.  I don't support or attack people.  I deal with IDEAS and REASONING.  If you supply a valid argument backed by evidence I will back up the argument, if you are my best friend, but make an illogical argument or the evidence doesn't support your position, I will point out your error. 


AFAIK we haven't formed teams on this board.  Have we?



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thamesbeliever wrote:

No one disputed my leftist hypothesis because it true.


Then let me be the first. I am a Christian, and a conservative. Professor Lares is a good deal less conservative than me, but is a serious practicing Christian. There are others on this board whose names I am not free to share, who are conservative and/or Christian. Shocking though it may seem, some of the most devout Christians I know are "liberal" -- however, we have had this conversation many, many, many times on this board. I don't feel up to going through it all again today. Why don't you go back through older posts instead of making us reinvent the wheel?

And where you ever got the notion that nursing professors are a bunch of lazy liberals is totally beyond me! I know one who is a liberal, but I used to go to church with her, and I know she's a Christian too. I'm confused about the bunch who went to William Carey, however. I didn't think Carey hired the "godless" lazy type you describe. The destruction of the nursing school began the day Marie Ferrell was fired along with the other deans. Dr. Thames has ruined one of the best programs USM had going, and seems to be working hard to ruin some others.

PS since you don't seem to be very familiar with the people on this board, let me explain that I'm not faculty, and that I'm very much IN the community too.

Oh, one more thing. Dr. Thames is not anyone's "superior". Universities are not hierarchical in that sense. Until the day he became President, he was just a professor like everyone else.

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thamesbeliever

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Thank you kindly Dr. LeftASAP for proving to all that any Christian belief is logically WRONG.


So, I am uncomfortable being a member of a group where agnotics seem to be the going way of thinking.  You are so far removed from the lives of ordinary, hard working Americans that you are beyond reasoning with.


Why doesn't the balding radical leftist religion activist Professor come on here and tell us all that anyone who believes in God believes in a fairy tale.  I am sure LeftASAP believe that.


You are all intolerant, and you speak out against common folk wisdom.  You go overboard and believe that the Hillary Clinton "line" in the sand is truth, and Christian thinking is dogma, to be logically disproved.  You cannot disprove faith.


You have no audience outside the AAUP, angostic, Democrats on this board.


You eschew anyone who is right leaning and might actually believe in some of the things W does.  You are all one way thinkers and it would help if you stuck to your anti-Thames agenda, and left the "Oscar political rants" alone.


 


I am not sure if WTF or WFT is scamming or not. 


 



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We've all had enough with the USM professors crowd.  They spout on about how they use reason and logic and out think everyone else around.  Thamesbeliever is right on.  And, don't be surprised if President Thames sticks around for a few more years.



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