HA, 1/4/06 (update): College board considers options for coast - USM Forum -- Message Board

Date: Jan 4, 2006

HA, 1/4/06 (update): College board considers options for coast

Date: Jan 4, 2006

". . options could include . . opening a university center like the one in Jackson where several universities deliver courses . . "

If "several universities" offered courses in a "university center" on the coast, just which school do you think would get the enrolees? USM?

Further, the "one in Jackson" is little more than a convenient vehicle for schools with traditional campuses to make a handful of courses convenient for the community locals. It's not really a university as such. If this model is adopted for the coast, the coast would be left with two real bona fide schools: William Carey & Tulane. The coast has that now. A "university center" on the coast would help ensure that there would always be only two. Come to think of it, maybe it's not such a bad idea. Two's enough.

Date: Jan 4, 2006

Let's get real wrote:

Two's enough.

That's all Hattiesburg has.

Date: Jan 4, 2006

A college in every town.

Date: Jan 4, 2006

???? wrote:

A college in every town.

The coast seems to want more than its fair share.

Date: Jan 4, 2006

info wrote:

opening a university center like the one in Jackson where several universities deliver courses

Do that. A university center on the coast. Let Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Southern Miss battle it out for survival down there. Scientist might like that "survival of the fittest" model of higher education.

Date: Jan 5, 2006

Monteray Jack wrote:

info wrote:
opening a university center like the one in Jackson where several universities deliver courses
Do that. A university center on the coast. Let Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Southern Miss battle it out for survival down there. Scientist might like that "survival of the fittest" model of higher education.

Don't limit the "universities center" on the coast to UM, MSU, and USM. Open it up to any public or private institution in the country that can offer vialabe degree programs for the Gulf Coast region. There is nothing wrong with institutions competing for an opportunity to serve an area. If they cannot meet preset standards, they don't get in. Who needs a monopoly unless you don't have the quality to compete and produce.

Build it at Woolmarket, and they will come.

Put the Gulf Park property in trust. Lease the land to developers. Use the proceeds to build the new "Universities Center."

It will serve the state better than it is now being served.

Date: Jan 5, 2006

We have had an exhausting day. This morning -- well, "morning" by Mlle. de Guerre's definition, which means about 11:30 am; at any rate, this morning, Mlle. was reviewing the message board. As you all know, I endeavour to keep her away from the computer until after the second cup of cafe au lait, or preferably the third. Today, however, I was called to the door to receive a package, and when I returned, there she was, screen glowing and the first cup only half-drunk. Frankly, I'm surprised she was able to find her way to the machine, much less switch it on.
An insufficiency of coffee and an excess of excitement are not a good combination for Mlle. particularly where USM is concerned. She is now in high dudgeon over the possible relocation of the Gulf Park campus. In fact, she is even now taking a serious, champagne-less bubble bath, and has asked me to coordinate a very business-like ensemble preparatory to her meeting with our esteemed friend, W.J. Johnson.

Many of you recall that Mr. Johnson and Mlle de Guerre have both been given important leadership roles at USM's D'Lo campus. In fact, Mlle. gave much intense thought to selecting the exact shade of aubergene for the desk cushions in the classrooms, believing as she does that comfortable and attractive seating is the first step in learning. Since the tragedy of the hurricane, however, she has naturally turned her attention to more immediate concerns. Now that plans are being made to change locations or rebuild locations, she us once more thinking of decorative matters. She and Mr. Johnson both believe that the D'Lo campus has an important role to play in USM's future, and are determined to see that it be adequately represented in any discussions, as well as attractively and comfortably fitted out.

Mlle. de Guerre has not made her feelings known on the subject of whether the campus at Long Beach should be rebuilt or abandoned; she and I both see important arguments either way. In either case, she is certain that there is no reason a major building effort cannot be undertaken at D'Lo. Mr. Johnson would cheerfully donate the double-wide presently used for his office, to hurricane victims. And of course, D'Lo has fewer traffic problems than other locations, a definite plus if Mlle. is going to be driving around the vicinity! (By the way, we are still car-shopping.)
Well, I must resume searching for an outfit suitable for an academic relocation meeting. As Mlle's taste is rather flamboyant, this is no easy task. Only this Tuesday I had hard going to discourage the purchase of a charming pair of pink polka-dot heels at Steinmart. Mlle's perferences and the actual needs of her feet are not in perfect accord, shall we say. Perhaps the black velvet - - at least it doesn't have feathers.

Perhaps I shall have a cup of tea first.

Good day to you all.

Hermione Angleterre, Social Secretary to Monique de Guerre

Date: Jan 5, 2006

coastliner wrote:

... Don't limit the "universities center" on the coast to UM, MSU, and USM. Open it up to any public or private institution in the country that can offer vialabe degree programs for the Gulf Coast region. There is nothing wrong with institutions competing for an opportunity to serve an area. If they cannot meet preset standards, they don't get in. ...

With the present "standards" JCJC would be very competitive there.

Do you really expect more than one university to build Chemistry labs, etc. and other infrastructure just to compete and see if they survive?

Date: Jan 5, 2006

Joker wrote:

coastliner wrote:
... Don't limit the "universities center" on the coast to UM, MSU, and USM. Open it up to any public or private institution in the country that can offer vialabe degree programs for the Gulf Coast region. There is nothing wrong with institutions competing for an opportunity to serve an area. If they cannot meet preset standards, they don't get in. ...
With the present "standards" JCJC would be very competitive there. Do you really expect more than one university to build Chemistry labs, etc. and other infrastructure just to compete and see if they survive?

He--, No. The institutiins would compete up front. No one would be awarded a right to deliver with approval with a contract for delivery. Again, it's decided up front, on a competitive basis. If USM gets teacher ed, ok, if State gets engineering, ok, if ole ms gets political science and law, ok, if Cumberland gets Law, it's ok. A review would occur periodically and if someone is not delivering...put it out for bids or a new proposal.

Date: Jan 5, 2006

coastliner wrote:

Joker wrote:
coastliner wrote:
... Don't limit the "universities center" on the coast to UM, MSU, and USM. Open it up to any public or private institution in the country that can offer vialabe degree programs for the Gulf Coast region. There is nothing wrong with institutions competing for an opportunity to serve an area. If they cannot meet preset standards, they don't get in. ...
With the present "standards" JCJC would be very competitive there. Do you really expect more than one university to build Chemistry labs, etc. and other infrastructure just to compete and see if they survive?
He--, No. The institutiins would compete up front. No one would be awarded a right to deliver with approval with a contract for delivery. Again, it's decided up front, on a competitive basis. If USM gets teacher ed, ok, if State gets engineering, ok, if ole ms gets political science and law, ok, if Cumberland gets Law, it's ok. A review would occur periodically and if someone is not delivering...put it out for bids or a new proposal.

correction....No one would be awarded a right to deliver without approval with a contract for delivery......

Date: Jan 5, 2006

The "Universities Center" must be the most hare-brained idea I have heard yet. Obviously suggested by those with no real business experience.

Date: Jan 5, 2006

coastliner wrote:

... He--, No. The institutiins would compete up front. No one would be awarded a right to deliver with approval with a contract for delivery. Again, it's decided up front, on a competitive basis. If USM gets teacher ed, ok, if State gets engineering, ok, if ole ms gets political science and law, ok, if Cumberland gets Law, it's ok. A review would occur periodically and if someone is not delivering...put it out for bids or a new proposal.

O.K. then Coastliner, my university wants to deliver the high enrollment low maintenance courses. No science labs or any other courses that take high tech equipment. We will deliver the English and Introductory Math courses. Oh, we will teach graduate courses in things like Philosophy and maybe History is you don't make reading books a requirement.

Now who wants the piece of the pie that requires the high cost & overhead and lower enrollment stuff?

Date: Jan 5, 2006

(Must be some newcomers to the board, politely ignoring Miss Hermione.)

I just wanted to say, that I'm very happy to hear from Miss H--it's been
much too long. Hope the search for an outfit was successful.

Date: Jan 5, 2006

foot soldier wrote:

(Must be some newcomers to the board, politely ignoring Miss Hermione.) I just wanted to say, that I'm very happy to hear from Miss H--it's been much too long. Hope the search for an outfit was successful.

Me n Tibodeaux are still readin dat post, yea. Dat was a long one. Me don't read dat good, no. Tibodeaux, he don read, no, but he got dat crush on Miss Hermione. Yea, I tink he like her more den T-Fred.

Date: Jan 5, 2006

Joker wrote:

coastliner wrote:
... He--, No. The institutiins would compete up front. No one would be awarded a right to deliver with approval with a contract for delivery. Again, it's decided up front, on a competitive basis. If USM gets teacher ed, ok, if State gets engineering, ok, if ole ms gets political science and law, ok, if Cumberland gets Law, it's ok. A review would occur periodically and if someone is not delivering...put it out for bids or a new proposal.

O.K. then Coastliner, my university wants to deliver the high enrollment low maintenance courses. No science labs or any other courses that take high tech equipment. We will deliver the English and Introductory Math courses. Oh, we will teach graduate courses in things like Philosophy and maybe History is you don't make reading books a requirement.
Now who wants the piece of the pie that requires the high cost & overhead and lower enrollment stuff?

Joker, you exceed your name. Get real. It will pass many of you by, we are in a new era.

Date: Jan 5, 2006

Who wants to take bets on USM passing NCATE this spring???

I'll say right now their odds are 1-2. Maybe 1 - 4 come to think of it.

Date: Jan 5, 2006

coastliner wrote:

Joker, you exceed your name. Get real. It will pass many of you by, we are in a new era.

Joker thinks Coastliner is in too much of a hurry "to get it" and like always Mississippi will get what it invested it, more symbols and no substance.

Date: Jan 5, 2006

coastliner wrote:

If USM gets teacher ed, ok, if State gets engineering, ok, if ole ms gets political science and law

I notice that you've yoked political science with law. It's a myth that political science is the best undergraduate pre- law major. One thing law schools are looking for is good writing skills. English will do just fine, thank you. So will History. There are many other suitable undergraduate pre- law majors.

Date: Jan 5, 2006

Gotta agree with the joker on this one.

Date: Jan 6, 2006

Joker wrote:

coastliner wrote:
Joker, you exceed your name. Get real. It will pass many of you by, we are in a new era.
Joker thinks Coastliner is in too much of a hurry "to get it" and like always Mississippi will get what it invested it, more symbols and no substance.

Has anyone else wondered whether coastliner's extreme zeal for this project might be driven by having some property for sale?

Date: Jan 6, 2006

Voter wrote:
Has anyone else wondered whether coastliner's extreme zeal for this project might be driven by having some property for sale?

That did occur to me. Me thinks he protests too much.

Date: Jan 6, 2006

coastliner wrote:

Don't limit the "universities center" on the coast to UM, MSU, and USM. Open it up to any public or private institution in the country that can offer vialabe degree programs for the Gulf Coast region.

Yes! Yes! Take out an advertisement in USNews and World Report so we can be the academic joke of the century. I'm sure Stanford, Princeton, and MIT would be first to respond to the ad.

Date: Jan 6, 2006

USM has become a tar baby that nobody wants to touch...it will take ten years of excellent leadership to right the course. Until then, don't expect any respectable university to touch us with a barge pole.

Date: Jan 6, 2006

Chipper wrote:

don't expect any respectable university to touch us with a barge pole.

If they do use a barge pole, it will be a very L O N G barge pole to push us at arms length.