Not in COB wrote:

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Drop the MBA wrote:  I would go so far as to "cap" enrollment

 I once told my dean that and I lived to regret it.

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It is not logical to cap enrollment.  Why limit customers to this business?  Short term profit has always been the gold.

I agree with Coyote that much more effort and resources should be devoted to improving the current MBA program.  We have adopted a lowest common denominator approach where the MBA program is tailored to be in direct competition with William Carey and to get as many students as possible, regardless of qualifications.  As a consequence, we have watered down the program and dropped the admission standards such that we practically have an open admission policy.  This does not produce high quality graduates likely to impress employers.  In fact, it does just the opposite.  Going 'digital' is not likely to improve an already weak program and will, most likely, just add the University of Phoenix to the list of our peer institutions.

supper Sam wrote:

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Smo wrote:
astonished wrote: Isn't Beth LeFleur Hotel Restaurant Tourism? No, Marketing. Up for tenure this year.

Yes, and she is apparently the one behind the call for a re-vote this week to get the more favorable (for Doty) result before the issue goes to the entire COB.
To address Bob, I heard today that HD has already punished one mgt faculty for voting a certain way, and has sent some threatening type e-mail notes to junior faculty serving on the committee.

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I had not heard that . . . yet . . . but, is there anything negative little Harold would do, or be accused of doing, that would surprise you? Cannot organize, cannot lead, cannot make a mistake, cannot have positive inter-personal skills - at least he is consistent.

These are the same traits that, sadly for USM, will keep him for getting another dean's job. When will little Harold be removed? Can he be removed? Or is the CoB stuck with him while we are enjoying with the Domers?

wondering wrote:

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Can you give specifics why HD should be removed?

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Wondering, this seems like an honest question.  While he should not be removed at this time, he is beset with a number of deficiencies that are widely recognized.   He fails as a leader, does not listen-“conversations” are monologues, willfulness, translates college issues into issues about himself, changes directions daily, does not hear opposing views, insists on changing any idea that was not his own, talks incessantly about how great he is, puts down the faculty, fails to understand delegation, and responds to issues on a personal level. 

He needs to work on being humble, supportive of others, respectful of differences of opinion, and develop some listening skills while depersonalizing issues in the college.  Us hope that he responds to his limitations and becomes a great Dean.

Smoking Management wrote:

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Well said, Dr. Freud. The discussion point is your last sentence. Many do not want him anything but gone. No one I know of thinks he has done a good job. Some believe, apparently as you do, that if he would grow up, he might be an acceptable dean. The main fear seems to be who would succeed him if removed. At the rate of descent the CoB has been on (Black, Posey, Gunther, Doty), one wonders if this pattern continues if the next dean will even be a member of our own genus and species.

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While confessing to an optimistic nature regarding a potential change in behavior by the Dean, I was also depersonalizing the issue of him remaining as dean.  The issue is how he behaves in his role as Dean.  Outside of that role he can be a whatever he wishes to be.  COB needs quality leadership which can be achieved by the current leader changing his behavior (perhaps unlikely as you suggest) or by getting a new dean. It matters not which course comes to fruition as the outcome objective  is the same.

Outside Observer wrote:

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Freud wrote:
wondering wrote:
Can you give specifics why HD should be removed?

Wondering, this seems like an honest question.  While he should not be removed at this time, he is beset with a number of deficiencies that are widely recognized.   He fails as a leader, does not listen-“conversations” are monologues, willfulness, translates college issues into issues about himself, changes directions daily, does not hear opposing views, insists on changing any idea that was not his own, talks incessantly about how great he is, puts down the faculty, fails to understand delegation, and responds to issues on a personal level. 
He needs to work on being humble, supportive of others, respectful of differences of opinion, and develop some listening skills while depersonalizing issues in the college.  Us hope that he responds to his limitations and becomes a great Dean.


These must be traits of people who self-select themselves into administration...this sounds surprisingly like a former dean of mine at a school several states away!

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Actually, these characteristics remind me of a certain USM president....

Let me see if I've got this straight:

1. Doty initiates a program without meaningful faculty input or support.
2. Doty loads up the COB grad committee with supporters.
3. Without holding requisite departmental votes, Doty presents the planned program to the COB grad committee.
4. Doty and another non-member of the COB grad committee demand the right to vote in the grad committee's consideration of the program.
5. Even with a committee loaded with supporters and two extra votes, Doty cannot get a supportive vote from the COB grad committee.
6. Doty dresses the COB grad committee down in an attempt to pass along guilt for not supporting his pet project.
7. Doty visits some non-supportive members of the COB grad committee and threatens them.
8. Some of Doty's supporters call for a re-vote by the COB grad committee.

WHY IN THE HELL CAN'T SOME OF THE DOTY-LOVERS IN OTHER COLLEGES NOT SEE THROUGH HIS BULLCRAP?

accountant wrote:

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Number two is obviously not correct, but the others make sense.

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Not so fast, accountant.

Review the list of committee members posted on this thread. Most objective COB faculty and staff recognize that at least 5 of the 8 true committee members have been willing to do Doty's bidding in the past (before this, they would have been considered on Doty's team). Doty was, by all accounts, shocked that the votes came out the way they did -- he thought he had the committee in his pocket. Perhaps I should have used "supporters" instead of supporters.

Boca Raton, FL 33431 wrote:

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What does it say about this program that even those who have historically supported Doty's activities didn't give his DMBA a passing vote?

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Everything it is supposed to say, and more.

I hope there are members of the Graduate Council that area readers of this board.

wondering wrote:

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has anyone asked the students if they would like what is being proposed?

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No. This is all a moneymaking scheme from the Dome, and Doty is ramming it down the CoB faculty's throat. Many have speculated that this is Doty's way of saving his job.

IF there had been a reliable study or needs assessment performed, there would be some support for this program. There has not been any official data presented to the CoB faculty.

IF the traditional MBA were in good shape, the DMBA might be a next step. The traditional MBA is not in good shape.

IF this process were faculty driven, then there might be some support for it. This has been all Doty, all the time.

wondering wrote:

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has anyone asked the students if they would like what is being proposed?

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Wondering, this too appears to be an honest question and “kiss my Doty” made some valid points.  The reality is several faculty have conducted focus groups in their class and have asked the students what they prefer.  The feedback strongly suggests that they a preference for in class courses with an instructor over compressed video or an online program.  The students are strongly opposed to having an online program.  The issue is the lack of data for potential students.  Regrettable the graduate budget is under funded and does not allow any promotion or market needs assessment.  To compound the problem in this area, the Dean is adamant that budgets are not an issue for the faculty and flatly refuses to discuss the issue.  No commercial organization would launch such a major program without better market information which we do not have. Ostensibly the program is directed at student needs at the coast.  No one has any idea how many have access to high speed internet, again, decision making without market data.

 

“Kiss my Doty makes a strong point concerning support for the current program by the administration.  Simply put there is no support for the current program which is why it is in such a sad state of affairs.

 

 Currently Mississippi State University offers an on line MBA program which has only 45 students spread over at least three years.  Their program is probably a money loser.  We are not sure as no one has talked with them about their experience with the online program.  We need to send the graduate director and the committee chair to meet with them.  Students on the Gulf coast who want an online program currently have access through MSU, Phoenix and a host of others.  Why would they choose USM for an online program?  Several years ago Donna Davis participated in a joint program with the University of Mississippi, Mississippi State University, USM and Jackson State.  The program was online with courses taught by faculty from all participating institutions.  The student could choose which institution he wanted on his degree.  No one selected Jackson state and very few selected USM.  We were a third tier institution at the time and we are now a fourth tier institution which suggest given a choice of programs students would select an online MBA from MSU or UM over USM.

 

Thus far the discussion has focused on student preferences for an online program, which is no longer the current sale by the administration in the COB. The current issue is on online courses and not programs according to the administration.  Last year, the college needed a hybrid program copying the “Syracuse Model.”  Clearly the model was inapplicable as student feedback suggested that they could not take off a week of work as well as other negative feedback from the students.  Then we had the bastardized “Syracuse Model” which was a poor quality program which appears to have died over the summer.    This fall we have the “digital MBA” program.  Now we are being told that the issue is not about an online program but about individual courses.  Wondering, are you confused?  Most of the faculty are confused.

 

If you listen to the college administration they will tell you we do not expect but eight to ten students to sign up for the online program.  Our test model of MBA 520 this fall enrolled two students who later dropped.  We are told that the “leadership" is prepared to spend a million dollars on this program.  While budgets are not covered under faculty governances such behavior suggests that maybe they should be in order to protect the tax payers of Mississippi from administrators who neglect their fudiciary responsibililties.

 

 

A Pitcher of Sangrael wrote:

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Let me see if I've got this straight: 1. Doty initiates a program without meaningful faculty input or support. 2. Doty loads up the COB grad committee with supporters. 3. Without holding requisite departmental votes, Doty presents the planned program to the COB grad committee. 4. Doty and another non-member of the COB grad committee demand the right to vote in the grad committee's consideration of the program. 5. Even with a committee loaded with supporters and two extra votes, Doty cannot get a supportive vote from the COB grad committee. 6. Doty dresses the COB grad committee down in an attempt to pass along guilt for not supporting his pet project. 7. Doty visits some non-supportive members of the COB grad committee and threatens them. 8. Some of Doty's supporters call for a re-vote by the COB grad committee. WHY IN THE HELL CAN'T SOME OF THE DOTY-LOVERS IN OTHER COLLEGES NOT SEE THROUGH HIS BULLCRAP?

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Do we have evidence #7 actually occurred?

I've unplugged from the board for a while and wanted to know how preparations for the DMBA were coming along. Given the tense nature of the debate in the CoB, I have a feeling we haven't heard the last of it yet.