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Luydia Pinkham's Vegetable Compound wrote:

Tell me, ladies, can someone holding emeritus status be promoted?


Faculty Handbook

http://www.usm.edu/pubs/factbook/index.htm

3.7 EMERITUS FACULTY

3.7.1 Emeritus Status. The emeritus designation is awarded to faculty members who have served The University of Southern Mississippi with distinction for an extended time. The status recognizes faculty who have excelled in the areas of teaching, research, and service throughout their careers at the University. Normally, faculty members who desire to remain active in their profession and contribute to the University during their retirement request emeritus status. Members of the faculty meeting the following criteria are eligible to be considered for emeritus status:

(1) The faculty member has a minimum of ten years of honorable and distinguished service at the University. In exceptional cases, a faculty member who has served the University for fewer years may receive emeritus status.

(2) The faculty member is retiring or is already retired from the faculty.

3.7.2 Procedure for Appointment. The following procedure applies to the nomination and approval of retiring faculty for emeritus status:

(a) When notified that the faculty member wishes to retire, the chair or director of the faculty member’s department or school requests permission of the retiring faculty member to nominate the faculty member for emeritus status.

(b) If the faculty member agrees to be nominated for emeritus status, he or she completes an application for emeritus status and submits the application, together with a curriculum vitae, to the department chair or director.

(c) After consulting the faculty of the nominee’s department for recommendations, the chair or director formally nominates the faculty member by submitting a cover letter, the application, and curriculum vitae to the dean of the nominee’s college for approval.

(d) If the dean approves the application, then the application and supporting materials are sent, together with a cover letter, to the Provost for evaluation.

(e) If the Provost approves the application, then the application and supporting materials are sent, together with a cover letter, to the President for evaluation.

(f) If the President approves the application, an agenda item is submitted to the Board of Trustees for approval at the next Board meeting.

(g) The Provost notifies the faculty member by letter whether the application for emeritus status is approved and forwards copies to the dean and department chair or director.

3.7.3 Privileges. An emeritus faculty member is an honored, non-voting member of the department in which he or she was a member before retirement. Departments, colleges, and schools are encouraged to invite emeritus faculty to serve as lecturers, substitute instructors, and consultants. Although no longer tenured or eligible for employment benefits, an emeritus faculty member is entitled to the following privileges:

(a) to be listed separately in the general catalog and university directory following the listing of the regular faculty in those publications;

(b) to represent the University at ceremonies of other universities and organizations when so appointed by the President;

(c) to serve on committees, including dissertation, thesis, and faculty committees, if requested by the department chair;

(d) to enjoy the same library and computer privileges as active members of the faculty;

(e) to receive faculty prices for University sponsored events; and

(f) to utilized the Payne Center at regular faculty prices.

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Luydia Pinkham's Vegetable Compound wrote:
Googler wrote:
 Based on the Bulletin listings, the promotion to full professor occurred in 2005.
Tell me, ladies, can someone holding emeritus status be promoted?
...and can someone who is is "retired" be promoted?

Did Ginn not retire when HF was president? Did he start his PERS program and go back to work part-time "doing something" for HF and continue it with SFT?

Is he still part-time? Anyone with access to the budget books can research this.

Very interesting..

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Full Professional Administrator wrote: stephen judd wrote: ELR Connection wrote: Bud has served as a VP for our institution, Dean of CE, and a longtime graduate faculty member in ELR. This was before his "retirement". Thanks ELR Connection. Sounds qualified on paper.  A quick ERIC search shows that Dr. Ginn's 30 year professorial career is quite undistinguished (this is an understatement). ELR-Connection-Can you explain how he earned tenure, much less the rank of Full Professor and doctoral dissertation directorship status, with this record of scholarship? (He was director of a dissertation listed on your most recent graduation program, so he must still be an active member of your department.) Is this scholarly track record typical for your ELR department at USM? Is it typical for full professors in your discipline at other research institutions? Is it typical for other academic VPs and Deans? Times were very different back in the days when Bud Ginn earned tenure. It was in the McCain era. Most everyone that served seven years on the the faculty was awarded tenure at that point. Bud retired from his vice president's position around 2000 or 2001. At that time he held a rank of Associate Professor in the ELR Department. If he has been promosted to Full Professor after his retirement, someone else needs to let us all know how that has been accomplished. Ginn was not initially a faculty member in ELR. He worked in the old Foundatins Department under Conrad Welker supervising Student Teachers. He has never been full-time in the ELR department because he held numerous adminstrative positions in the Lucas, Fleming, and Thames. I am sure there must be someone, somewhere, that knows exactly what his present relationship with ELR is. It may be Bud. There may not be anyone else that knows.
So Ginn earned tenure without ever holding a true tenure-track position.

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stinky cheese man

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it always behooves people to go back further. if you look at both the 98-99 and 99-00 undergraduate bulletins (both online), Ginn was listed as a full professor. the graduate bulletins in those two time periods had him listed as an associate professor.

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stinky cheese man wrote:

it always behooves people to go back further. if you look at both the 98-99 and 99-00 undergraduate bulletins (both online), Ginn was listed as a full professor. the graduate bulletins in those two time periods had him listed as an associate professor.

Indeed, I looked only at the graduate bulletins. I know the two bulletins are separate documents, but I wonder why the faculty listing for Ginn has him at different ranks, particularly if the Provost's Office updates this section for both bulletins? I suppose the review process for the faculty listings might have been different at that time.


Thank you, stinky. I will behoove before I post next time. However, ELR Connection seems fairly certain that Ginn retired at the associate professor rank.



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double dipper

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stinky cheese man wrote:
it always behooves people to go back further. if you look at both the 98-99 and 99-00 undergraduate bulletins (both online), Ginn was listed as a full professor. the graduate bulletins in those two time periods had him listed as an associate professor.
Now that is taking double dipping to the ultimate level.

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stinky cheese man wrote:
it always behooves people to go back further. if you look at both the 98-99 and 99-00 undergraduate bulletins (both online), Ginn was listed as a full professor. the graduate bulletins in those two time periods had him listed as an associate professor.
The official budget for the University lists the position and rank of the individual.

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Need To Know wrote:

The official budget for the University lists the position and rank of the individual.
Someone needs to check the 05-06 budget book and see if Ginn's position has changed from 04-05, when he was listed in a departmental budget titled "Assistant to the President" in a .46 FTE position with the title Vice President Emeritus/Associate Professor/Counsel To President. 

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04-05 Budget Bookie wrote:
Need To Know wrote:
The official budget for the University lists the position and rank of the individual.
Someone needs to check the 05-06 budget book and see if Ginn's position has changed from 04-05, when he was listed in a departmental budget titled "Assistant to the President" in a .46 FTE position with the title Vice President Emeritus/Associate Professor/Counsel To President. 
The .46 FTE indicates that Ginn is indeed a part-time employee. He has to abide by PERS regulations regarding how much time he can work. So between his time in ELR and Counsel to the President he can work only 46% of the time.

With his productivity record in turning out a record number of PhD's in ELR he must not have had much time to counsel with SFT. The question may be moot since no one can really counsel with SFT. He is also listed on the Sec. of State webpage as a lobbyist for USM.

Budget Bookie, what was the amount for the .46 salary for Bud?

Ginn retired with over 35 years in the state. Add his retirement pay to his present .46 salary and what do you get. Can anyone spell Parachute? (In addtiition I hear he also receives money from a well known accreditaion agency that is located at USM.) The IRS must like this guy.

Should we all be taken care of as well as Bud? Kinship and loyalty have both served Ginn well. He has been rewarded for his "duties"....whatever they were and are.

The fact that Ginn could work as a .46 FTE person, fulfilling two roles, and be able to direct the number of dissertations is still mind boggling. There is a story to be told regarding how he functions in ELR and the College of Ed/Psy. I don't know the story, but somebody does.







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There has to be a lot of dirty laundry connected to this guy. It sure would be interesting to know the full story, including what spawned his loyalty to Thames and what part did he play in the Fleming massacre.

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Need To Know wrote:

Budget Bookie, what was the amount for the .46 salary for Bud? 
$55,000

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04-05 Budget Bookie wrote:
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Budget Bookie, what was the amount for the .46 salary for Bud? 
$55,000
For a part-time job it's a pretty good little supplement to his PERS retirement. Retire...go back to work pt for your own institution. Should we all prepare for the same type arrangement when we retire? The beauty of the arrangement is that it gives us time for other university related things, like working for an accreditation agency.

No food stamps needed.

Did anyone check the current budget? Santa Claus may have come.

Carrying water can get expensive.



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(In addtiition I hear he also receives money from a well known accreditaion agency that is located at USM.)
http://www.sacsnet.org/mississippi/contactus.html

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Googler wrote:
Need To Know wrote:
(In addtiition I hear he also receives money from a well known accreditaion agency that is located at USM.)
http://www.sacsnet.org/mississippi/contactus.html
Don't mess with our lobbyist bud dy too much. We sort of like him up here. We can finesse him and every other USM lobbyist at every junction in the road. Don't ever get rid of him. He has been easy for all of us.

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jackson lobby guy wrote:

Googler wrote:
Need To Know wrote:
(In addtiition I hear he also receives money from a well known accreditaion agency that is located at USM.)
http://www.sacsnet.org/mississippi/contactus.html
Don't mess with our lobbyist bud dy too much. We sort of like him up here. We can finesse him and every other USM lobbyist at every junction in the road. Don't ever get rid of him. He has been easy for all of us.


Unfortunately, I suspect this is true.

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Duh

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I don't have a catalog immediately available, but I don't recall seeing the titles dean emeritus, department chair emeritus, etc.  Do people holding those positions retain their non- academic "titles" ( dean emeritus, department chair emeritus, food services director emeritus, etc.) when they retire and are given emeritus status?



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A quick "google" reveals at least the use of President, Dean and Vice-President emeritus at other institutions.

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Far Away Alum wrote:

jackson lobby guy wrote:

Googler wrote:
Need To Know wrote:
(In addtiition I hear he also receives money from a well known accreditaion agency that is located at USM.)
http://www.sacsnet.org/mississippi/contactus.html
Don't mess with our lobbyist bud dy too much. We sort of like him up here. We can finesse him and every other USM lobbyist at every junction in the road. Don't ever get rid of him. He has been easy for all of us.


Unfortunately, I suspect this is true.
You shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free. But, you have to dig deep for lot's of it. Be brave but be careful....you are still in the Shelbyzone. He may even have access to you on this MB.

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How would he have access to anyone on this message board? Please clarify.

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LVN wrote:
How would he have access to anyone on this message board? Please clarify.
We are smarter than the rest of you.

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Really? So, if he did have access, what would he do with it? Bear in mind, please, that many posters are not faculty at USM.

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Really? So, if he did have access, what would he do with it? Bear in mind, please, that many posters are not faculty at USM.
But those of you are, beware.

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Can you kindly explain what more, or what worse, can be done to this poor faculty?



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Yeah-yeah sisterhood

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LVN wrote:  Really?  So, if he did have access, what would he do with it?  Bear in mind, please, that many posters are not faculty at USM.


 


            Bud wiser wrote:   But those of you are [sic], beware.


 


Even on a generous scale, Bud's empty threat rates only about a 4.




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Lowly Assistant Prof Sal

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04-05 Budget Bookie wrote:
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Budget Bookie, what was the amount for the .46 salary for Bud? 
$55,000
Lowly describes my fulltime salary which is considerably less than the 55K paid to this stealth parttime employee.

I am out of here at the first opportunity.

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Did Ginn not retire when HF was president? Did he start his PERS program and go back to work part-time "doing something" for HF and continue it with SFT?


Answer:  All Ginn did in Jackson was preen and hang out.  Fleming was told Ginn was not helpful, and Ginn was followed by Jim Borsig.  Ginn was instrumental in building the coalition of athletic jocks and car dealers to oust Fleming. 



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Dorsey wrote:

Did Ginn not retire when HF was president? Did he start his PERS program and go back to work part-time "doing something" for HF and continue it with SFT? Answer:  All Ginn did in Jackson was preen and hang out.  Fleming was told Ginn was not helpful, and Ginn was followed by Jim Borsig.  Ginn was instrumental in building the coalition of athletic jocks and car dealers to oust Fleming. 

Dorsey person.  What evidence do you have that Ginn helped build the coalition to oust Fleming?  Are you saying that he was not loyal to the person (HF) that he was working for?     


Please clarify.



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Lowly Assistant Prof Sal wrote:

04-05 Budget Bookie wrote:
Need To Know wrote:
Budget Bookie, what was the amount for the .46 salary for Bud? 
$55,000
Lowly describes my fulltime salary which is considerably less than the 55K paid to this stealth parttime employee.

I am out of here at the first opportunity.
Y'all need to lay off this guy. No one has said that he has done anything illegal, immoral, indecent, unprofessional, broken any IHL or PERS regs, or commited any crime.

So move on. Just because he has been smart enough to work the system to his advantage is no need for the attacks that have been made on this board. Being related to someone is no crime, being a friend to someone else is no crime. So lay off and move on.

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Lay Offer wrote:

Lowly Assistant Prof Sal wrote:

04-05 Budget Bookie wrote:
Need To Know wrote:
Budget Bookie, what was the amount for the .46 salary for Bud? 
$55,000
Lowly describes my fulltime salary which is considerably less than the 55K paid to this stealth parttime employee.

I am out of here at the first opportunity.
Y'all need to lay off this guy. No one has said that he has done anything illegal, immoral, indecent, unprofessional, broken any IHL or PERS regs, or commited any crime.

So move on. Just because he has been smart enough to work the system to his advantage is no need for the attacks that have been made on this board. Being related to someone is no crime, being a friend to someone else is no crime. So lay off and move on.
We need to look at the absurdity of the main character of this thread. How many people really believe he has the high academic qualifications to turn out multiple PHD's in such a short time?

As one of our slogans of our past stated...."It's Time". Time to take a good look at our academic integrity.

Who monitors our integrity if we do not?



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your dean.

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Lowly Assistant Prof Sal wrote:

04-05 Budget Bookie wrote:
Need To Know wrote:
Budget Bookie, what was the amount for the .46 salary for Bud? 
$55,000
Lowly describes my fulltime salary which is considerably less than the 55K paid to this stealth parttime employee.

I am out of here at the first opportunity.
I feel your pain. Just stay around and see what happens, we are turning the corner. wp

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