Bud Ginn - USM Forum -- Message Board

Date: Dec 1, 2005

RE: Bud Ginn

Date: Dec 1, 2005

Stephen,

I agree with you about this. However, many of us still wonder why Lucas has not defended the institution he worked so hard to build.

Date: Dec 1, 2005

Far away alum wrote:

Stephen, I agree with you about this. However, many of us still wonder why Lucas has not defended the institution he worked so hard to build.

Well, I can't disagree there.

Date: Dec 1, 2005

AKL did not buck SFT's appointment or question anything in his administration because he made a deal. He made a deal with the powers that be, that if he played their game, when the time came for someone to follow SFT, his daughter would follow as president.

If this happens, as it was reported in 2002, it shows what a father will do for a daughter.

Reported may be wrong word, rumored widely may better describe the deal. I personnaly don't buy this rumor. I think she is far better off at Milsaps than she would be a USM.

But if the powers that be, including GNG, want it to happen, it will happen. They had enough power in 2002 to pull it off for SFT. The Lucas daughter would be an easier sell due to the fact that 95% of faculty want ABT...Anybody But Thames.

Date: Dec 1, 2005

It will most likely take an outsider to unscramble Southern Mess. It will require someone with no political allegencies of alliances on or off campus. A Mississippian would be just fine if and only if that person has major academic administrative experience outside the state. USM does not need a puppet.

Date: Dec 1, 2005

If Frances Lucas were to end up at USM - a big huge IF - we would be lucky beyond words. My guess, though, is that she is destined for bigger and better things after Millsaps. She is Ivy League caliber.

Date: Dec 1, 2005

destiny's child wrote:

She is Ivy League caliber.

A person who has successfully headed an Ivy League school would be most welcome. Let's hope she makes it there.

Date: Dec 1, 2005

National Search wrote:

destiny's child wrote: She is Ivy League caliber. A person who has successfully headed an Ivy League school would be most welcome. Let's hope she makes it there.

I happen to admire Frances. I just wonder why AKL might have doubted his daughter's merits and sold out to the demonstrated Shelby nepotism factor. The DAna situation might have been the interference, yet AKL was never a believer in DT's merits, truth be known.

Date: Dec 2, 2005

So, as a one shot Judy, I predict that it will be Ginn-Thames-Lucas-Klumb-like politics that will influence many of our lives for years to come. We all need a good an old fashioned revival meeting or camp meeting to seek some kind of renewal after what we have had to endure.

Date: Dec 2, 2005

"If you read Exit 13 you already know this and it is public information. I'm sure Aubrey has spent many years thinking about this. It is no secret and personally I think serves no purpose to dredge this up other than to (for no good reason) open up old wounds that actually have been previously aired. Unless there is something new to reveal then please don't spend any more time on this -- it is salacious. "

Apples do not fall far from the tree, running a small college in a "good" way while not acknowledging the sins of its past or one's family's past does not make one "Ivy League" calibre. Acknowledgement of the real impact of the past might, but this would be unlikely for one who belongs to our genteel state. She would be crucified in an open society.

Date: Dec 2, 2005

destiny's child wrote:

If Frances Lucas were to end up at USM - a big huge IF - we would be lucky beyond words. My guess, though, is that she is destined for bigger and better things after Millsaps. She is Ivy League caliber.

Don't hold your breath. She should wish!

Date: Dec 3, 2005

destiny's child wrote:

She is Ivy League caliber.

Child, do you really know what it takes to even obtain an untenured Assistant Professor faculty position at at Ivy League school?

Date: Dec 4, 2005

Helping bring the Milsaps/Lucas in to follow SFT will fit right into BG's clandestine mode of operating. His connections are many and he will use them to keep the Lucas/Thames regime in power. His role in the downfall of H. Fleming is something that needs to be brought into the light of day.

Date: Dec 4, 2005

What would it take for USM to get a good president with no ties to any existing power structure?

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do believe in the Easter Bunny. Why do you ask?

Date: Dec 5, 2005

LVN , This Bud's for you!

Peter Cottontail is not coming hopping.....the wheels are already turning behind the scenes for post-SFT, whenever it comes. They were turning for post-SFT era before Fleming left. A coup put Thames in power and the power structure plans ahead. Their deal was made in 2002 with the Lucas/Thames duo and we all moved down our road to destruction.

When you break away from traditiion, like we did when Fleming was appointed, it is culture shock for the power structure. They may step away for a little while but they bounce back like a flash.

The deal has been made, and the only thing that will be better is that we will have some civility with the Lucas daughter. We will have the same people calling the shots, just a more civil environment. And, I know that would be an improvement.

Ole Bud still has some work to do to make sure this happens as it was planned. Rest assured, he is not the only one working the system. The Good Ole Boys never quit.

Date: Dec 5, 2005

random sampler wrote:

. The Good Ole Boys never quit.

Maybe they die of old age? Preferably before I do!

Date: Dec 5, 2005

L O L
All good ole boys are not old. Don't depend on them dying off, they pass the rights down to sons (and now daughters.)

Date: Dec 5, 2005

random sampler wrote:

When you break away from traditiion, like we did when Fleming was appointed, it is culture shock for the power structure.

Horace Fleming's departure greatly reduced USM's chances of achieving academic respectability. Whoever was responsible for that little fiasco should be banned for any participation whatsoever in selecting the next president.

Date: Dec 6, 2005

This one is easy. Most folks don't know that Fleming let Ginn go. Some IHL members close to Fleming and USM alumni told Fleming that Ginn was undermining Fleming in Jackson. Ginn got caught. He could not really complain when Fleming sacked him. To have done so would have brought out the hounds on Ginn. That's the REAL story.

Date: Dec 6, 2005

Darned Socks,
Interesting info on the canning of Ginn. Be more specific.

Did Fleming not give Bud a "part-time" job once he "retired" from USM?

Date: Dec 7, 2005

There are some interesting comments included in this thread. A number of posters seem to have some knowledge regarding the career of this individual. For persons that do not have a long tenure at USM, some of this is hard to understand.

If someone knows why this thread and the comments that have been made are important, please let us know. Give us a chronological history of how Ginn has functioned at USM.

Anyone that has been around as long as Ginn must have a vitae.

Date: Dec 7, 2005

Socks the Cat wrote:

Darned Socks, Interesting info on the canning of Ginn. Be more specific. Did Fleming not give Bud a "part-time" job once he "retired" from USM?

Ginn was on the faculty. He did not get "fired" from the faculty. He left administration and simply went back to teaching. He was doing USM a lot of damage in Jackson. Third-hand, I understand Fleming was made aware of this by legislative leaders and he moved, with knowledge of some members of IHL, to quietly resolve the issue without putting Ginn in a bad light. But, of course, Ginn paid Fleming back in spades with no such consideration after he forged his comeback through Thames.

Date: Dec 7, 2005

Bud Ginn once told me that Shelby is one of the nicest people that you'll ever meet--that he's not the kind of person to get angry or hold a grudge.

Date: Dec 7, 2005

So Shelboo is a nice guy. Has Shelboo applied to teach Dale Carnigie courses? He will need something to do after retirement.

I am sure that Bud can help SFT in his transition back to faculty, or will Bud be too busy serving on the transition team of the new President Lucas? Bud was on the following teams: A. Lucas, H. Fleming, A. Lucas, and SFT. Look at the years he has served, and it has been a sentence in some respects. So, it is reasonable to assume he will be on the new president's team.

It's a done deal!

Date: Dec 7, 2005

State Line Shorty wrote:

Give us a chronological history of how Ginn has functioned at USM. Anyone that has been around as long as Ginn must have a vitae.

Bud Ginn has connections to every level of education in Mississippi. He is a product of the community/juco system (Southwest CC alum of the year in 1998), is Mississippi director of the SACS Commission on Secondary and Middle Schools, and served as an administrator at USM for many years. His functions at USM have included

Dean of Continuing Education in the late 70s and early 80s

Vice-President of Administration, beginning in 1982

Legislative Liaison

Affirmative Action Officer (before the AA office was established)

"Trusted" adviser to the President (Lucas and Thames)

He is retired from the state system but works now in a part-time capacity (within the guidelines for PERS retirees) as a special assistant to the president.

Date: Dec 7, 2005

Can you count the ways. It would be unbelieveable to you guys down on the Southern Miss plains the way this guy has operated. How about his association with Andy at Ole Ms? What about the Delta connections?

It is unbelievable what this guy has done for you and done to you. If Ole Miss and State had had a lobbyist like you guys, we would have been far behind you at this point...even with your SFT situation.

So, let's give him his due. Girl's basketball.

Date: Dec 7, 2005

jackson lobby guy wrote:

So, let's give him his due. Girl's basketball.

I failed to mention basketball. Back in the day, Bud was a roundball star for Coach Horace Holmes at Southwest CC.

Date: Dec 7, 2005

elmo in kokomo wrote:

It's a done deal!

Say what? Always remember, a week is a long time in politics. How many weeks are we talking here?

Date: Dec 8, 2005

Hey Reality Check:
75 weeks. But we really don't have 75 weeks. Hopefully, the decision will be made in advance of the May 20, 2007 deadline. If that deadline is really the deadline.

A week is a long time in politics. When you are working every one of those weeks like the Lucas/Ginn/Thames folks do, you probably have a greater chance of influencing the outcome of a major decision. That major decisin could be the SFT extension, the F. Lucas appointment, or........

Those that do the best political work will prevail. Do we have anyone doing anything? (I do not discount the value of the AAUP leadership meeting with TM. I do recommend that we do much more.)

Our present president is a political appointee. Does anyone believe it will be different the next time around, whenever that is.

Date: Dec 8, 2005

elmo in kokomo wrote:

Hey Reality Check: 75 weeks. But we really don't have 75 weeks. Hopefully, the decision will be made in advance of the May 20, 2007 deadline. If that deadline is really the deadline. A week is a long time in politics. When you are working every one of those weeks like the Lucas/Ginn/Thames folks do, you probably have a greater chance of influencing the outcome of a major decision. That major decisin could be the SFT extension, the F. Lucas appointment, or........ Those that do the best political work will prevail. Do we have anyone doing anything? (I do not discount the value of the AAUP leadership meeting with TM. I do recommend that we do much more.) Our present president is a political appointee. Does anyone believe it will be different the next time around, whenever that is.

But the point is, no one can reliably predict the future, except to say that time wounds all heels.

Napoleon told the Russian ambassador that he was going to invade and conquer Russia, too. He was defeated by snowflakes.