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Date: Nov 25, 2005

Bud Ginn

Date: Nov 25, 2005

Coastliner wrote:

What is his present role with USM?

ONLINE CAMPUS DIRECTORY

Name: Clyde Neulan Ginn
Department: Assistant to the President
Title: Asst to the President

Date: Nov 25, 2005

info wrote:

Coastliner wrote: What is his present role with USM? ONLINE CAMPUS DIRECTORY Name: Clyde Neulan Ginn Department: Assistant to the President Title: Asst to the President

Following is my understanding of some additional roles Dr. Ginn has played in the university. Correct me if I am wrong. I believe Dr. Ginn was the USM affirmative action officer at one point. As I recall the effort to close down the AA office last year, Dr. Ginn was the individual who first communicated that plan to the current AA officer. Dr. Ginn has also been a university rep in lobbying efforts over the years. In addition, he is often instructor of record for courses in ELR. As his current title suggests, he is an important advisor to Dr. Thames. He continues to be one of the most influential members of this administration, and yet so few faculty know about him.

Date: Nov 26, 2005

Souds like he is a stealth guy. What is the record of his accomplishments for USM?

So, coastliner, if you have known him for a long time, then fill us in.

Date: Nov 26, 2005

Ginn's wife used to adjunct for the CISE dept. -- she was around normally during the summer semester, but that was a while back.

Date: Nov 26, 2005

We all know that Bud says that things will work out alright at USM.

Does anyone have anything to offer regarding this MOST POWERFUL PERSON on campus?

Has anyone had this much power in two administrations? Lucas and Thames? How did he fit in with Fleming?

What is his present status?? Is he retired or not?

The Lucas-Thames connection seems to be alive and well.

So, investigate.

Date: Nov 26, 2005

We have the power....don't forget it. We will use it when we need it.

Date: Nov 26, 2005

Real Power wrote:

We have the power....don't forget it. We will use it when we need it.

Who's "we"? And what on earth are you doing with Howard Bannister's rocks?

Date: Nov 27, 2005

There is not much of a public record on Dr. Ginn. He has operated behind the scenes. As previously reported he is kin to the Lucas family and has been closely aligned to Thames. Dr. Ginn has a long history at USM, not as long as SFT, but a very long history. There have been many people that have benefitted from an association with Dr. Ginn. He has taken care of a number of people and has some good "friends" because he has helped people secure positions of influence at USM and in school districts across the state. It has been said that he has served as the hatchet man for both akl and sft. What real power does he have? He has a position that gives him influence and input into decisions. He also has a network of political friends because of his lobbying efforts. Most institutions have someone like Dr. Ginn that does the kind of things that he has done for akl and sft.

Date: Nov 27, 2005

Back before the deluge, the coast grapevine on Ginn was that he had lobbied the state House IHL appropriations committee NOT to fund the construction of a new Science building at Gulf Park. As I remember, this was during the special session last winter when funding for this was passed as a condition of Diane Perenich's supporting tens of millions in corporate giveaway to Ingolls-Lytton/Northrup-Grumman. They then actually CUT jobs but dat's another story. A Jackson attorney who handles litigation for the state House called a colleague of mine, a longtime politico on da coast, and asked who in hades was this guy Ginn from USM-H'burg who was actually telling appropriations committee members that USM didn't need a new Science Building on da coast? I was not shocked by this at the time--old H'burg heads have been trying to shut down Gulf Coast campus for years-- but I do remember being surprised that they'd try to stop the Gulf Park science building when SACS had told da toad at the beginnign of his misrule that SoMiss absolutely must construct a sciecne building at Gulf PArk or the accreditation of the entire USM system was at risk. Da Toad den promptly "forgot" to forward a request for the new building to the appropriations committee for either one or two years in a row, either from malice or incompetence, no one's really sure. Anyhow, Bud Ginn was SoMiss's chief lobbyist during the AKL years and may still have a similar roll.

Date: Nov 27, 2005

Scoop Person...
We do not need this kind of reference on this board....what purpose does it serve? I would hope that an astute webmaster would remove your post.

Coast Watcher....you seem to have a good knowledge regarding my initial inquiry when i started this thread. Share with us.....do you know more than you are revealing about BG's contributions?

Date: Nov 27, 2005

I forgot the most interesting question -- if she didn't know and didn't tell, why would SCOOP want us to think she did?

This is positively Byzantine. How Dome-like!

Date: Nov 27, 2005

hey THIRD WATCH!!!!!

Let's get on to things that make a difference. If BG has a record regaarding USM, other than something very personal, then that's important. Otherwise, the personal stuff needs to be squashed by the webmaster. That is not the purpose of this board.

I think that there are others out there that believe that SCOOP and others that deliver this kind of info should be sauashed....permanently.

Date: Nov 27, 2005

Please, please--no more posts speculating on the personal life of USM'ers.

Date: Nov 27, 2005

Thanks Mitch,

We need to concentrate on the actions that people have taken that have had an impact on USM.

Date: Nov 27, 2005

I agree that personal lives are not the concern of this board. My point was that I was intrigued at SCOOP's bringing A. Dvorak's name into such a context, and wondering what that was all about. I was interested in the politics behind the post. It would've been the same if SCOOP had said BG was into mud-wrestling or cat wrangling.

Date: Nov 28, 2005

"SCOOP" is probably also "LOCAL" on the all-caps thread about Dvorak perhaps getting a raise. Their posts are less than 10 minutes apart.

Date: Nov 28, 2005

He loves power and lives for it. He is for whoever is in power.

Date: Nov 28, 2005

tiber wrote:

He loves power and lives for it. He is for whoever is in power.

This is true.

He is VERY close to SFT, as is former JCJC pres Terrell Tisdale.

Ginn was in on the stealth reorganization plan.

Date: Nov 28, 2005

Over the years there have been lots of rumors about Bud Ginn, as well as about other administrators. No one has ever offered any proof.

That said, we can all be certain that there is a dirty, tangled web that envelopes not just Ginn and Thames, but Lucas and others.

Date: Nov 28, 2005

cron:

If I were "scoop" I would not hide it. What benefit is there in hiding your call sign! Beware of how you accuse someone. The truth is the truth.

Date: Nov 28, 2005

You academics need to get back to reality. This man has contributed more to USM than any of you have. So, get with it, look at his long and distinguished record of contributions to USM.

Put your record up against CNG's ...that's Bud...and see how you come out. He has been in the trenches. He has had to deal with the politics in the state and within the University of Southern Mississippi...It has probabaly been easier with state politics than with the USM stuff he has had to deal with....

Lay off the personal stuff!

Date: Nov 28, 2005

Ethics be dammned.

Date: Nov 28, 2005

USM's Bud is for Shelby wrote:

Ethics be dammned.

Off-topic, but related to ethics. As if Ole Miss doesn't have enough problems with its football program, their coach has been accused of attempting to "loot" players from Tulane post-Katrina:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10242146/

Date: Nov 28, 2005

Follow the Yellow Ginned Road . . . Follow the yellow Ginned road . . . Follow, follow, follow, follow, the follow the Yellow Ginned Road

Date: Nov 30, 2005

j b on the bayou wrote:

You academics need to get back to reality. This man has contributed more to USM than any of you have. So, get with it, look at his long and distinguished record of contributions to USM. Put your record up against CNG's ...that's Bud...and see how you come out. He has been in the trenches. He has had to deal with the politics in the state and within the University of Southern Mississippi...It has probabaly been easier with state politics than with the USM stuff he has had to deal with.... Lay off the personal stuff!

JB on the Bayou:

Please do relate that "long and distinguished record" of Ginn's contirbutions to USM. Let's give the man his due.

However, the point of this thread has been that nobody knows exactly what it is that CNG has been up to during his decades of service to SoMiss. All I know about him for sure is that a source I respect told me he lobbied against USM-Gulf Coast's getting the Sceince building it needed to protect the SACS accreditation of the entire SoMiss system. That does tend to strike one as pretty notable.

Perhaps you could elucidate some of his other notable accomplishments. Exactly which "trenches" has he been in? And what "politics" has he dealt with? The Ayers Decision? Clyde Kennard? Do tell . . .

On a related note: is it true that it was an appointment with AKL that brought Clyde Kennard to the Dome the day he was arrested there on trumped up charges of theft?

Date: Dec 1, 2005

Coast Watcher wrote:

j b on the bayou wrote:

You academics need to get back to reality. This man has contributed more to USM than any of you have. So, get with it, look at his long and distinguished record of contributions to USM. Put your record up against CNG's ...that's Bud...and see how you come out. He has been in the trenches. He has had to deal with the politics in the state and within the University of Southern Mississippi...It has probabaly been easier with state politics than with the USM stuff he has had to deal with.... Lay off the personal stuff! JB on the Bayou:

Please do relate that "long and distinguished record" of Ginn's contirbutions to USM. Let's give the man his due. However, the point of this thread has been that nobody knows exactly what it is that CNG has been up to during his decades of service to SoMiss. All I know about him for sure is that a source I respect told me he lobbied against USM-Gulf Coast's getting the Sceince building it needed to protect the SACS accreditation of the entire SoMiss system. That does tend to strike one as pretty notable. Perhaps you could elucidate some of his other notable accomplishments. Exactly which "trenches" has he been in? And what "politics" has he dealt with? The Ayers Decision? Clyde Kennard? Do tell . . . On a related note: is it true that it was an appointment with AKL that brought Clyde Kennard to the Dome the day he was arrested there on trumped up charges of theft?

Date: Dec 1, 2005

If you want to see our file on AKL in regards to the Clyde Kennard case, go to the following link and type in AKL to the search engine.

http://mdah.state.ms.us/arlib/contents/er/sovcom/index.html

Date: Dec 1, 2005

KGB

First of all, thank you for this quite chilling information. It clearly shows AKL's involvement in one of USM's "Mississippi Southern's" most shameful acts. I think this deserves its own thread and would love to see this thread stand alone rather than be connected to Ginn.

Date: Dec 1, 2005

TGo: KGB of the South

You seem to know where to obtain info. The original post in this thread was a request for info about this Bud Ginn. Others have said that he seems to be elusive, operates in a stealthy fashion, follows power, and has not left much of a record.

What does the KGB of the South care to reveal?