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Date: Sep 1, 2005

What's wrong with Barbour & Bush?

Date: Sep 2, 2005

RE: What's wrong with Barbour & Bush?

Date: Sep 2, 2005

Just what would you have done so differently, oh wise black cat?

Date: Sep 2, 2005

Converted to solar power long ago.

Date: Sep 2, 2005

RE: What's wrong with Barbour & Bush?

Date: Sep 2, 2005

RE: What's wrong with Barbour & Bush?

Date: Sep 2, 2005

OO, I think that the diversion of funds is referring to the info in Voter's post above. I think we should focus on the problems at hand at the moment, and not point fingers right now. Just my $.02.

Date: Sep 2, 2005

Outside Observer wrote:

Michael Kimber wrote:
We can only hope that Katrina will serve as a wake-up call to our government leaders who not only divert funds from public safety and emergency preparedness, but also seem to be ignoring the threats from global warming and overdependence on fossil fuels. The people of Mississippi and Louisiana, and most especially our friends and colleagues there of whom we have no news, are in our thoughts and prayers.
You have any hard evidence of this diversion of funds? Is our Government the only one guilty of overdependence on fossil fuels?

Try this:
The Biloxi Sun Herald in Mississippi...surveyed the disaster around its editorial offices and asked: "Why hasn't every able-bodied member of the armed forces in south Mississippi been pressed into service?"

As when the Asian tsunami hit last year, Mr Bush found himself on holiday at his Texas ranch when disaster struck. As with the tsunami, he was soon in the firing line for reacting slowly - he spent Monday on a fundraising tour of the American West - and failing to provide adequate leadership. As survivors complained of a lack of water, food and medical supplies yesterday, fingers from across the political spectrum were pointed at the White House.

Experts on the Mississippi Delta...noted that flood-control spending for south-eastern Louisiana had been chopped every year that Mr Bush has been in office, that hurricane protection funds have also fallen, and that the local army corps of engineers has also had its budget cut.

Date: Sep 2, 2005

Black Cat wrote:

Outside Observer wrote: Michael Kimber wrote: We can only hope that Katrina will serve as a wake-up call to our government leaders who not only divert funds from public safety and emergency preparedness, but also seem to be ignoring the threats from global warming and overdependence on fossil fuels. The people of Mississippi and Louisiana, and most especially our friends and colleagues there of whom we have no news, are in our thoughts and prayers. You have any hard evidence of this diversion of funds? Is our Government the only one guilty of overdependence on fossil fuels? Try this: The Biloxi Sun Herald in Mississippi...surveyed the disaster around its editorial offices and asked: "Why hasn't every able-bodied member of the armed forces in south Mississippi been pressed into service?" As when the Asian tsunami hit last year, Mr Bush found himself on holiday at his Texas ranch when disaster struck. As with the tsunami, he was soon in the firing line for reacting slowly - he spent Monday on a fundraising tour of the American West - and failing to provide adequate leadership. As survivors complained of a lack of water, food and medical supplies yesterday, fingers from across the political spectrum were pointed at the White House. Experts on the Mississippi Delta...noted that flood-control spending for south-eastern Louisiana had been chopped every year that Mr Bush has been in office, that hurricane protection funds have also fallen, and that the local army corps of engineers has also had its budget cut.

Well...doesn't sound like hard evidence of diversion to me....at least he's not getting a blow job in the Oval Office.

Date: Sep 2, 2005

Black Cat wrote:

Try this: The Biloxi Sun Herald in Mississippi...surveyed the disaster around its editorial offices and asked: "Why hasn't every able-bodied member of the armed forces in south Mississippi been pressed into service?" As when the Asian tsunami hit last year, Mr Bush found himself on holiday at his Texas ranch when disaster struck. As with the tsunami, he was soon in the firing line for reacting slowly - he spent Monday on a fundraising tour of the American West - and failing to provide adequate leadership. As survivors complained of a lack of water, food and medical supplies yesterday, fingers from across the political spectrum were pointed at the White House. Experts on the Mississippi Delta...noted that flood-control spending for south-eastern Louisiana had been chopped every year that Mr Bush has been in office, that hurricane protection funds have also fallen, and that the local army corps of engineers has also had its budget cut.

It's pathetic that there are those who would use this colossal tragedy as a platform for partisan demagoguery and vitriol. If you're in Mississippi or Louisiana or Alabama, why don't you go out and help someone? People are starving, suffering, dying at this moment and you find it appropriate to vent your spleen with pap from the Howard Dean playbook? There's plenty of blame to go around, pre-dating the Bush administration by decades. If you can't find something more constructive to do with your time, I suggest you crawl back into your hole and let the rest of us do what we can to help those in need.

Date: Sep 2, 2005

Get Real wrote:

There's plenty of blame to go around, pre-dating the Bush administration by decades. If you can't find something more constructive to do with your time, I suggest you crawl back into your hole and let the rest of us do what we can to help those in need.

Hear, hear! As a Louisiana native and long time resident, I'd like to point out that my home state has consistently had the most corrupt politicians in the country, both now and historically. Edwin Edwards makes his protege Bill Clinton look like a choirboy. The present governor, senators, and New Orleans mayor are all Democrats. In fact, I can't recall the state being run by anyone other than Democrats since I was a kid in the 40's. The frailty of the levees has been a hot topic since I was a child, yet no one has done a damn thing about them. The clowns who occupy our state's top offices have had their heads up their collective a$$es for many years. For you to try and nail Bush with responsibility for decades of neglect by those who knew better and were in a position to do something is more than stupid. It is, as a previous poster said, pathetic.

Date: Sep 2, 2005

What is pathetic is that this very wealthy country has allowed people to live in such dire poverty that they don't have the resources to get out, let alone to take care of themselves after they are out, nor the education to understand how to cope. We all are culpable.

Date: Sep 3, 2005

Watching closely wrote:

What is pathetic is that this very wealthy country has allowed people to live in such dire poverty that they don't have the resources to get out, let alone to take care of themselves after they are out, nor the education to understand how to cope. We all are culpable.

So what could have been done differently? Why weren't you screaming and yelling about this before the hurricane? No one gave me resources to take care of myself or get an education..but I did...people need to assume a little responsibility for themselves at some point!!!

Date: Sep 3, 2005

Watching Watchingn Closely wrote:

So what could have been done differently? Why weren't you screaming and yelling about this before the hurricane? No one gave me resources to take care of myself or get an education..but I did...people need to assume a little responsibility for themselves at some point!!!

If you grew up in the utter squalor of some of these hurricane victims and managed to have zero help but got an education anyway, then I applaud you. But, I doubt that was the case, because if it were you'd have more compassion for others like that. When we've been screaming and yelling (and quietly helping as much as we can), you've called us ugly names and b!tched about your tax money being wasted. Education without compassion is just ignorance in fancier shoes. Next time you have a thought like that, why don't you just hold onto it.

You should be ashamed of yourself. And, you should get your lazy educated fat a$$ down to New Orleans and get a real education.

Date: Sep 3, 2005

Despicable is what you are wrote:

Watching Watchingn Closely wrote: So what could have been done differently? Why weren't you screaming and yelling about this before the hurricane? No one gave me resources to take care of myself or get an education..but I did...people need to assume a little responsibility for themselves at some point!!! If you grew up in the utter squalor of some of these hurricane victims and managed to have zero help but got an education anyway, then I applaud you. But, I doubt that was the case, because if it were you'd have more compassion for others like that. When we've been screaming and yelling (and quietly helping as much as we can), you've called us ugly names and b!tched about your tax money being wasted. Education without compassion is just ignorance in fancier shoes. Next time you have a thought like that, why don't you just hold onto it. You should be ashamed of yourself. And, you should get your lazy educated fat a$$ down to New Orleans and get a real education.

Grow up...if you choose to put forth no effort to improve yourself and your conditions...if you just sit back and take what others give you....then something really bad happens and you don't have the resources to leave town...don't blame it on the government!! I'm not bitching about my tax money being wasted...although i think most would agree a fair amount of it probably is!!...I have written checks to the Red Cross, Operation Blessing, and I've gone to my local grocery store and bought diapers and water to send down to the Gulf Coast. so, the next time you have thoughts like those, why don't you just hold on to them. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Date: Sep 3, 2005

Good for you for writing checks and buying diapers. Maybe that will assuage your guilt for being a pompous a$$.

Date: Sep 4, 2005

This is just an opportunity for libs to vent their hatred of Bush. Again, why aren't college professors caravaning to the coast to assist with aid distribution? Why aren't they helping others in Hattiesburg instead of comfortably vacationing with friends in other states?

Date: Sep 4, 2005

You're still despicable wrote:

Good for you for writing checks and buying diapers. Maybe that will assuage your guilt for being a pompous a$$.

I think you're dispicable for looking for ANY opportunity to try and blame the administration for any and every problem that comes along. My point, which you're conveniently missing, is that some of these folks must assume SOME responsibility for their condition! I have no guilt, you moron, and I'll bet my check was a lot bigger than yours.

Date: Sep 4, 2005

Watching Watching wrote:

You're still despicable wrote:
Good for you for writing checks and buying diapers. Maybe that will assuage your guilt for being a pompous a$$.
I think you're dispicable for looking for ANY opportunity to try and blame the administration for any and every problem that comes along. My point, which you're conveniently missing, is that some of these folks must assume SOME responsibility for their condition! I have no guilt, you moron, and I'll bet my check was a lot bigger than yours.

I give up. I concede the argument. This is just trying to teach a pig to sing. Your argument is crap. You don't want them to assume SOME responsibility for their condition, you want to blame them for their condition. Someone stuck in an attic with no way out can't assume any responsibility for his condition moving forward...he can only be blamed for being in the house in the first place. And this, somehow, justifies inaction and inadequate planning. But, just keep snorting and writing big checks. I wouldn't even want you to try to sing.

Date: Sep 4, 2005

If this thread degenerates further, it will be removed completely. You have been warned.

Web Master

Date: Sep 4, 2005

Thank you ever diligent one, I am your fan!

Date: Sep 4, 2005

Folks like Talonical, etc. take a look at the facts of the matter and the economic conditions of the folks who were slammed and tell me about how they "deserved" to get hit with a hurricane and dont deserve any help.

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050904/NEWS0110/50904007/1260

Or, better yet, shut up and write a check like I've done and help.

Date: Sep 4, 2005

Can we say that the heads of FEMA, at the least, ought to be fired for gross negligence?

Jefferson Parish President Broussard to Tim Russert today:

> Sir, they were told like me. Every single day. The cavalry is coming. On the federal level. The cavalry is coming. The cavalry is coming. The cavalry is coming. I have just begun to hear the hooves of the cavalry. The cavalry is still not here yet, but I have begun to hear the hooves and were almost a week out.

Three quick examples. We had Wal-mart deliver three trucks of water. Trailer trucks of water. Fema turned them back, said we didn't need them. This was a week go. We had 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel on a coast guard vessel docked in my parish. The coast guard said come get the fuel right way. When we got there with our trucks, they got a word, FEMA says don't give you the fuel. Yesterday, yesterday, fema comes in and cuts all our emergency communications lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in. he reconnects the line. He posts armed guards said no one is getting near these lines.

...

The guy who runs this building I'm in. Emergency management. He's responsible for everything. His mother was trapped in St. Bernard nursing home and every day she called him and said. Are you coming. Son? Is somebody coming? And he said yeah. Mama. Somebody's coming to get you.. Somebody's coming to get you on Tuesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Wednesday. Somebody's coming to get you on Thursday. Somebody's coming to get you on Friday. And she drowned Friday night. And she drowned Friday night. Nobody's coming to get us. Nobody's coming to get us. The Secretary has promised. Everybody's promised. They've had press conferences. I'm sick of the press conferences. For god's sakes, just shut up and send us somebody.

Date: Sep 4, 2005

More finger pointing from Black Cat and Link Sausage. More taking the opportunity to place blame.

Date: Sep 4, 2005

RE: What's wrong with Barbour & Bush?

Date: Sep 5, 2005

RE: What's wrong with Barbour & Bush?

Date: Sep 5, 2005

This morning, the mayor of NO stated on national TV that on Bush's first visit to the area (Tuesday?) that BUsh asked what they needed and said he was ready to go right then. The LA governor asked for 24 hours so that she could get her act in gear. This is from the mayor of NO! Bush was ready to go and Blanco (??) was not!

Date: Sep 5, 2005

Nightcrawler wrote:

Talonical wrote: More finger pointing from Black Cat and Link Sausage. More taking the opportunity to place blame. It's called accountability. Ask yourself, why did it take days before any action was taken, before food and water was served to those still trapped in the dome when quicker, more timely action was taken with the hurricane damage in FL and even Tsunami.

Uh...how about most of the first responders were also victims...how about the US has no experience with an event of this magnitude. The sun is up today...that damn President Bush!!

Date: Sep 5, 2005

Maybe you doubters will believe the notoriously liberal (hah!) Hattiesburg American:

http://hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050905/NEWS05/509050303

Date: Sep 5, 2005

In case Black Cat's link didn't work, here's a link that should.

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050905/NEWS05/509050303

One more point for Talonical, etc.: If John Kerry were president, there would still be death, destruction and a slow response to the disaster. I think everyone would agree that FEMA and the president would still have egg on their faces and a disaster in their laps. (I hope that makes you feel snugly and warm to know that the Democrats would screw things up just as well as the GOP.)

The problem isn't the leader. The problem is a choking and horrible bureacracy coulpled with the long-time failure of leaders like the ones now who can make promises but have no means or no courage to make changes.

Praise the true public servants in the helicopters making rescues and the folks working 20-hour days and weeping at the death and the destruction around them.