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Date: Jun 21, 2005

James Green a finalist for SE LA coaching job

Date: Jun 21, 2005

Good for CJG. USM didn't support him properly, and USM will be the worse for it in the long run. I'll bet that his recruiting budget and support will be greater in Hammond than it was in Hattiesburg, should he get the job.

Date: Jun 21, 2005

SLU has a much more recent NCAA history as well. This could be a good result for James. Zach Harrington from Oak Grove could end up their starting QB in football this year too.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

SLU has less money and much less fan support than USM. I wish James well though.

Real Fan wrote:

Good for CJG. USM didn't support him properly, and USM will be the worse for it in the long run. I'll bet that his recruiting budget and support will be greater in Hammond than it was in Hattiesburg, should he get the job.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

Giannini ran him off. Never supported James. James deserved better. SLU may not have the money we have or position, but they have a hell of a lot better environment to work in! Thanks, Ricky Giannini and Shelboo!

Date: Jun 22, 2005

SLU was in the big dance very recently (this past one I think). Their coliseum is just as good as USM's. Shareef Abdur-Rahim's little brother just finished his (fine) career there a couple of years or so ago. Their athletic department is on the rise. They beat USM in baseball this year. They have a fine baseball facility. Just picked up football. Martin Hankins threw for a zillion yards there over the last two seasons. Hal Mumme recently coached there. Woody Woodenhofer recently coached there. Their enrollment is on par with USM's.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

baller wrote:

SLU was in the big dance very recently (this past one I think). Their coliseum is just as good as USM's. Shareef Abdur-Rahim's little brother just finished his (fine) career there a couple of years or so ago. Their athletic department is on the rise. They beat USM in baseball this year. They have a fine baseball facility. Just picked up football. Martin Hankins threw for a zillion yards there over the last two seasons. Hal Mumme recently coached there. Woody Woodenhofer recently coached there. Their enrollment is on par with USM's.

It soundslike the University of Southeastern Louisiana might give USM a run for its money in the quest for prospective students, much like the University of South Alabama does on the other side of our state. Until USM gets its problems solved, I would think that students from the McComb/Brookhaven vacinity might find Southeastern Louisiana attractive.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

And Hammond, the Strawberry Capital of the World, is a nice town.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

This thread is incomplete. There's no blame placed on Thames. Remember comrades,we must call the evil capitalist Thames to account for his crimes against the people.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

Party Line Man wrote:

This thread is incomplete. There's no blame placed . . .

It is more complete that it might appear. I said "Until USM gets its problems solved, I would think that students from the McComb/Brookhaven vacinity might find Southeastern Louisiana attractive."

Date: Jun 22, 2005

Party Line Man wrote:

This thread is incomplete. There's no blame placed on Thames. Remember comrades,we must call the evil capitalist Thames to account for his crimes against the people.

Thames is not an evil capitalist. Thames is an evil, corrupt blunderer. If he were a capitalist, he would know a thing or two about setting up an incentive structure that gives USM administration, faculty, and staff the incentive to do more than "a day's work for a day's pay."

Date: Jun 22, 2005

Southeastern Louisiana University

Date: Jun 22, 2005

Thanks for the SLU link. That guy Settoon beat out our own Duane Harold Doty (from the larger pool) for the SLU Business Dean slot.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

Southeastern Louisiana purports to be a regional university. Southern Mississippi does not. Whoever gave USM its regional name deserves a swift kick in the seat of the pants. There's nothing 'regional' in the name of Mississippi State or the University of Mississippi. Why us? We could have done much better than that. Maybe the University of Mississippi should be renamed the University of Northern Mississippi.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

Off the scale.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

Bull$%&# Meter wrote:

Off the scale.

What's that mean?

Date: Jun 22, 2005

bad image wrote:

Southeastern Louisiana purports to be a regional university. Southern Mississippi does not. Whoever gave USM its regional name deserves a swift kick in the seat of the pants. There's nothing 'regional' in the name of Mississippi State or the University of Mississippi. Why us? We could have done much better than that. Maybe the University of Mississippi should be renamed the University of Northern Mississippi.

You know, I always wanted a pet lion when I was a kid. Now, lions are pretty rare and very expensive, so I got a dog instead. I started calling my dog a lion. I talked about him like he was a lion. I acted like he was a lion. However, everyone thought I was crazy, because the dog was clearly a dog.

The moral of the story is that you can't fool anybody about something like that, and if you think you can, you're just "lion" to yourself.

USM is a regional school, no matter how badly the alums want it to be something else.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

Story Time wrote:
USM is a regional school, no matter how badly the alums want it to be something else.

Except for its regional name, in what way is USM a regional school? Our graduate students come from Maine to California, from Michigan to Flordia. At least they do in my discipline. We made a concerted effort to attract nationally.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

our undergrads are increasingly from mississippi, a fact eagle talkers are quite proud of too. they say it means higher quality.

if you don't want to believe usm is a regional don't. that won't change the fact that it is.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

undergrads wrote:

our undergrads are increasingly from mississippi, a fact eagle talkers are quite proud of too. they say it means higher quality. if you don't want to believe usm is a regional don't. that won't change the fact that it is.

Most students attend an undergraduate college in the state where they live. Most undergraduate students at LSU are from Louisiana, but that doesn't make it a regional university. The same is true at the University of North Carolina, the University of Texas, and the University of Wisconsin. Some states even limit the number of outside residents they admit. Others require a higher standard of admission for non- residents. Why are you so determined to cast USM into a regional mold? USM is a fourth tier comprehensive university on academic probation. It is well on its way toward becoming regional, but it has not reached that point yet. When it is unable to attract graduate students nationally I will accept it as regional. The undergraduate population at most universities is typically from within the state.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

Isn't there a difference between a Clemson, with 35% UG from out of state, and USM, with more like 12-15%?

Date: Jun 22, 2005

songs about jane wrote:

Isn't there a difference between a Clemson, with 35% UG from out of state, and USM, with more like 12-15%?

Yep. But Clemson's name doesn't imply regionality. Ours does. If Clemson called itself "The University of Middle South Carolina" I doubt it would attract nearly as many non- residents. All I am saying is that USM's regional name is not helping our national image.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

bad image wrote:

songs about jane wrote: Isn't there a difference between a Clemson, with 35% UG from out of state, and USM, with more like 12-15%?

bad image wrote: Yep. But Clemson's name doesn't imply regionality. Ours does. If Clemson called itself "The University of Middle South Carolina" I doubt it would attract nearly as many non- residents. All I am saying is that USM's regional name is not helping our national image.

I've also questioned our name. The University of Middle Tennesse and the University of Central Florida make no pretense about their regional status. I fail to understand why USM selected a name which clearly suggests it is a regional institution. We have enough to overcome without having a regional name.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

Could it be part of the conspiracy?

Date: Jun 22, 2005

....according to the registrars webpage the ratio of in-state/out of state students at Southern Miss is 80/20.

According to the registrars statistics for north carolina at chapel hill the same ratio is 78/22.

What I'm wondering is, first, is our webpage that far off and second, if the web page is correct does that 2% difference place one as a national university while relegating the other to regional status?

Like I said, I'm just wondering.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

just wondering wrote:

....according to the registrars webpage the ratio of in-state/out of state students at Southern Miss is 80/20. According to the registrars statistics for north carolina at chapel hill the same ratio is 78/22.

That surprises me! If your figures are correct, there appears to be no significant difference between the in-state/out of state students at USM and Chapel Hill. Dont' let the Dome get hold of those figures

Date: Jun 22, 2005

just wondering wrote:

....according to the registrars webpage the ratio of in-state/out of state students at Southern Miss is 80/20. According to the registrars statistics for north carolina at chapel hill the same ratio is 78/22. What I'm wondering is, first, is our webpage that far off and second, if the web page is correct does that 2% difference place one as a national university while relegating the other to regional status? Like I said, I'm just wondering.

NC has a strict law/rule against the oos % going beyond what it is.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

just wondering wrote:

....according to the registrars webpage the ratio of in-state/out of state students at Southern Miss is 80/20. According to the registrars statistics for north carolina at chapel hill the same ratio is 78/22.

Somebody should verify the USM figures (as we have verified other figures)

Date: Jun 22, 2005

Now, check entering GPAs, ACT scores, etc. for these two schools. That is the difference between a regional and a national school. Or is it, students want to go to one and are stuck going to the other. USM is a sort of a national unversity that accidentally outgrew its regional status in some but not all respects. It seems to be not so accidently demoted back to its original place in the IHL world order. That's why we are called Southern Miss, our place is below the others.

Date: Jun 22, 2005

Sanity Check wrote:

USM is a sort of a national unversity that accidentally outgrew its regional status in some but not all respects. It seems to be not so accidently demoted back to its original place in the IHL world order. That's why we are called Southern Miss, our place is below the others.

Sanity Check probably best describes our current status . . . sort of a national university that accidentally outgrew its regional status in some but not all respects. Horace Fleming's vision of USM as "The University for the Gulf South" is no more, thanks to those who were responsible for his unfortunate demise at USM.