Powell Ogletree past away today - USM Forum -- Message Board

Date: Jun 14, 2005

RE: Powell Ogletree past away today

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Emily Post wrote:

Excuse me, kind sir, but when did posting something on an AAUP message board constitute a way to show respect for those who have passed away? Now, sending flowers or a donation to a favorite charity...that's a more proper way to show respect.

Posting on an anti-Thames board and expecting a less-than-anti-Thames response is simply foolish, my good man!

EP

SATIRE ALERT!

RC

Date: Jun 14, 2005

When you pick a screen name and use it exclusively, then I will answer any questions or concerns that you have with me posting here. Until that point, your opinion is of no consequence.

If you noticed I did answer Ram's question, maybe not in the way that you would have like, but it was answered never the less. I also carry on dialog with Judd, Campbell, LVN, Invicus, Cossack and others.

I suggest that you pick a screen name and stick with if you wish for me to attempt to carry on a dialog with you.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Seeker wrote:

When you pick a screen name and use it exclusively, then I will answer any questions or concerns that you have with me posting here. Until that point, your opinion is of no consequence. If you noticed I did answer Ram's question, maybe not in the way that you would have like, but it was answered never the less. I also carry on dialog with Judd, Campbell, LVN, Invicus, Cossack and others. I suggest that you pick a screen name and stick with if you wish for me to attempt to carry on a dialog with you.

I have lurked a long time. I have never heard the argument, "I refuse to rebut your argument because you use different screen names". Is that a new way for you to dodge the issues, Seeker?

My name is Objection, like it or not, and my opinions, statements and logic have the same consequences as yours, more so I would say since your were rebutted and mine have yet to be address.

I will let the readers decide.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Question: Did SFT attend the Powell Ogletree funeral yesterday?

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Objection wrote:

Well then, Seeker, correct the people who have the misunderstanding. Keep announcing the fact that this is an open board and does not represent the views of AAUP members.

I can not refute that the postings here are not connected to the USM Chapter of the AAUP. When this board is named "AAUP-USM Message Board", and there are direct links between this board and the official website of the USM Chapter of the AAUP. Nobody else can refute that this is the official message board of the USM Chapter of the AAUP as long as those issues are in place.

Stop trying to stifle the discussion by saying "the public will get a bad impression of the AAUP". That's the same method used in the '60s. "You better not serve blacks because you will lose the white customers".

I have no idea how you could have streched to find this compairison. I was not born until 1977, I have no idea of what happened in the '60. So you strike out there if you think I was alluding to anything of the such.

The only way anyone can stop the post here is to close the board.
I don't mind you disagreeing, but respond to the substance of whar is said and not the freedom to say it. That is what you imply when you don't suggest how an open board prevent things being said.

I am not suggesting you close the board in the least. I think it should be kept open. But, if you don't think that this board give a public face to the AAUP then you are sadly mistaken. A large part of the community has only this board as a representation of the AAUP. And to be honesty many time that's not a very favorible face.

There I feel better. Sorry for the rant.

I hope you feel better, because I it really did was make you look a bit on the foolish side.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

LeftASAP wrote:

Question: Did SFT attend the Powell Ogletree funeral yesterday?

Yes he did. He arrived early for visitation with something of an entourage.* (Sorry, no bias intended, but he was accompanied by four or five others.) They were able to visit with the family and then leave.

He returned alone in time for the funeral itself, but the sanctuary was full, so he sat in the overflow seating area where the service was monitored on a sound system.

As far as I could tell, he behaved well.

*He did not bring his dog. (see Mark Twain, Letters from the Earth, 152.)

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Seeker wrote:

Objection wrote: Well then, Seeker, correct the people who have the misunderstanding. Keep announcing the fact that this is an open board and does not represent the views of AAUP members.

Seeker wrote:I can not refute that the postings here are not connected to the USM Chapter of the AAUP. When this board is named "AAUP-USM Message Board", and there are direct links between this board and the official website of the USM Chapter of the AAUP. Nobody else can refute that this is the official message board of the USM Chapter of the AAUP as long as those issues are in place.

Objection's reply: Seeker, you are conflating "having a connection" and "providing a place for discussion" with the messages on the board. You are the one confusing the public. Use good logic and help explain to the public those statements are wrong to make. And, oh yes, stop making them would help.

Objection: Stop trying to stifle the discussion by saying "the public will get a bad impression of the AAUP". That's the same method used in the '60s. "You better not serve blacks because you will lose the white customers".  The only way anyone can stop the post here is to close the board. I don't mind you disagreeing, but respond to the substance of whar is said and not the freedom to say it. That is what you imply when you don't suggest how an open board prevent things being said.

Seeker: I have no idea how you could have streched to find this compairison. I was not born until 1977, I have no idea of what happened in the '60. So you strike out there if you think I was alluding to anything of the such.

Objection's reply: The only way your observation about this board's effect on the public could be corrected was to close the board or stifle the discussions (how?). This implied you were suggesting the control of free speech to avoid public misconception. This is not justifiable, just as discrimination against blacks to avoid white backlash was not ethically justifiable in the '60s.   That was the same argument used then. (Sorry if it was before your time and didn’t communicate anything to you.)

Seeker: I am not suggesting you close the board in the least. I think it should be kept open. But, if you don't think that this board give a public face to the AAUP then you are sadly mistaken. A large part of the community has only this board as a representation of the AAUP. And to be honesty many time that's not a very favorible face.

Objection: There I feel better. Sorry for the rant.

Seeker: I hope you feel better, because I it really did was make you look a bit on the foolish side.

Objection's reply: I don't mind being thought a fool as long as my arguments are logical and provide thoughtful communication.

But Seeker, how do you suggest correcting the problem you raised? If this is an open board, is not closed down, the public reads it and get misconceptions what can anyone do except correct their misunderstandings. Maybe the general public shouldn't be allowed to read this board? Like an adults (academics) only site? What do you suggest?

Date: Jun 14, 2005

That is for the AAUP to decide. Not me, and not you. I would suggest that if they have a message board attached to their site, that it needs to be monitored more closely than this site, or they should not have an "official" message board.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Seeker wrote:

That is for the AAUP to decide. Not me, and not you. I would suggest that if they have a message board attached to their site, that it needs to be monitored more closely than this site, or they should not have an "official" message board.

Seeker, As you know I did not think it was a great idea for AAUP to "adopt" the old FireShelby community when that board closed down. But here we are.

And we've seen this argument ("AAUP shouldn't sponsor this board") for months. It kind of goes hand-in-glove with the "Activeboard sets cookies" & web servers log IP addresses spiels, too.

So, would you feel personally vindicated if AAUP closed down this board? Is that an objective here?

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Invictus wrote:

Seeker, As you know I did not think it was a great idea for AAUP to "adopt" the old FireShelby community when that board closed down. But here we are.

And we've seen this argument ("AAUP shouldn't sponsor this board") for months. It kind of goes hand-in-glove with the "Activeboard sets cookies" & web servers log IP addresses spiels, too.

So, would you feel personally vindicated if AAUP closed down this board? Is that an objective here?

Would it vindicate me if the AAUP closed this board down? No, what would make you believe that it would. Just in this thread alone, I have stated that this board has a purpose.

But, when I go to the AAUP National Website and read about what the AAUP is set up for and what their goals and beliefs are, I can not match them with a large portion of what is said on this board.

That is why I think that if the AAUP wants to project a more positive image on campus and in the community that:

1) It needs to have members of the current AAUP at USM monitor closely the content of the board and see that it dosen't stray from the purpose of the AAUP.

or

2) It needs to disassociate itself officially from a messageboard that dose not represent it's beliefs.

That dosen't mean this message board has to go anywhere. But, to combate the fact that many feel that this is the official messageboard of the AAUP the following needs to be done:

1) Rename the board - USM Academic Freedom Board or something like that.

2) Delete the direct link between this board and the official USM-AAUP Website

3) Delete the link between the USM-AAUP official site and this board.

Guys this is the face of the AAUP to the community, if it's a face that you believe is a positive reprsentation of the organization, by all means ignore me and keep things just like they are. If you think that it may not be the best representation of the AAUP, then you should form a committee (a short out to AKL) and discuess the issue.

You guys just got some free market consulting.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

I pay AAUP dues and actually paid extra to support the Board. I am of the opinion that the Board serves many purposes. One is that faculty put up money to support free expression of views, some of which we agree with and some we do not. The Board also allows for the rapid dissemination of information about USM and the Hattiesburg community. It also is a conduit used to get information to the dark side (administration) since they cannot restraint themselves from checking this Board from time to time.

The final reason I support the Board is that Doug Wilder sent me a message saying that this Board is responsible for keeping Seeker off the streets and out of trouble. This is a very powerful Board, what all it will do I cannot say, but it will be the terrors of the earth. Seeker, you get 10 extra points on the next test if you can tell me from where this mangled almost quote came.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Cossack wrote:

I pay AAUP dues and actually paid extra to support the Board. I am of the opinion that the Board serves many purposes. One is that faculty put up money to support free expression of views, some of which we agree with and some we do not. The Board also allows for the rapid dissemination of information about USM and the Hattiesburg community. It also is a conduit used to get information to the dark side (administration) since they cannot restraint themselves from checking this Board from time to time.

The final reason I support the Board is that Doug Wilder sent me a message saying that this Board is responsible for keeping Seeker off the streets and out of trouble. This is a very powerful Board, what all it will do I cannot say, but it will be the terrors of the earth. Seeker, you get 10 extra points on the next test if you can tell me from where this mangled almost quote came.

... have such revenges on you both that all the world shall-I will do such
things-What they are, yet I know not; but they shall be the terrors of the earth. ...

From King Lear, WS

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Seeker, your reply was;

.. have such revenges on you both that all the world shall-I will do such
things-What they are, yet I know not; but they shall be the terrors of the earth. ...

From King Lear, WS

I assume that this quick response is due to your education at USM. I will give you the points even if you did a quick goggle. In either way, it speaks well of your education and skills. Go forth and trouble others as you complete your day.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Cossack wrote:

Seeker, your reply was;

.. have such revenges on you both that all the world shall-I will do such
things-What they are, yet I know not; but they shall be the terrors of the earth. ...

From King Lear, WS

I assume that this quick response is due to your education at USM. I will give you the points even if you did a quick goggle. In either way, it speaks well of your education and skills. Go forth and trouble others as you complete your day.

I can only answer that with this:

O! sin, to wilful men,
The injuries that they themselves procure
Must be their schoolmaster. Shut up your doors;
He is attended with a desparate train,
And what they may incense him to, being apt
To have his ear abused, wisdom bids fear.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Seeker wrote:

Getting Tired of This Little Jerk wrote: TROLL ALERT Sorry about spelling. It is too early for this kind of junk. So every time a person poses a question that is too hard for you, you yell troll. Every time I call out one of your buddies for a foolish statment you yell troll. What I am tired of is how obtuce this board has become. If this is the official message board of the AAUP, the organization has some serious problems. Some claim that it's not the offical board, but at the top it says AAUP-USM, it has a link directly to the official AAUP board at USM. On the official website for the AAUP at USM, there is a direct link to this board. What I am trying to do here, is get you to understand (as AAUP members) is how this board is precieved because of the posts that you get here. Irregardless if you like it or not, but people see this as the public face of the AAUP.

Fom now on, we will yell "obtruce" and "preceived" and that will be "irregardless if you like it or not."

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Wunerful guy wrote:

Seeker wrote:
Getting Tired of This Little Jerk wrote: TROLL ALERT Sorry about spelling. It is too early for this kind of junk. So every time a person poses a question that is too hard for you, you yell troll. Every time I call out one of your buddies for a foolish statment you yell troll. What I am tired of is how obtuce this board has become. If this is the official message board of the AAUP, the organization has some serious problems. Some claim that it's not the offical board, but at the top it says AAUP-USM, it has a link directly to the official AAUP board at USM. On the official website for the AAUP at USM, there is a direct link to this board. What I am trying to do here, is get you to understand (as AAUP members) is how this board is precieved because of the posts that you get here. Irregardless if you like it or not, but people see this as the public face of the AAUP.
Fom now on, we will yell "obtruce" and "preceived" and that will be "irregardless if you like it or not."

When you have to crituque spelling, it becomes obvious that you have no other means to combate what was said. I will take this as you either agree with or that you have not the wit or reason to debate my comments.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Seeker wrote:

When you have to crituque spelling, it becomes obvious that you have no other means to combate what was said. I will take this as you either agree with or that you have not the wit or reason to debate my comments.

Seeker gets my vote for funniest post of the day. I just love the way that ole boy pre-verts the English language.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

i did have an outstanding graduate professor (brilliant and well published) who said good spelling was the sign of a misspent youth. this was well before spell-checkers.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Seeker wrote:

Wunerful guy wrote: Seeker wrote: Getting Tired of This Little Jerk wrote: TROLL ALERT Sorry about spelling. It is too early for this kind of junk. So every time a person poses a question that is too hard for you, you yell troll. Every time I call out one of your buddies for a foolish statment you yell troll. What I am tired of is how obtuce this board has become. If this is the official message board of the AAUP, the organization has some serious problems. Some claim that it's not the offical board, but at the top it says AAUP-USM, it has a link directly to the official AAUP board at USM. On the official website for the AAUP at USM, there is a direct link to this board. What I am trying to do here, is get you to understand (as AAUP members) is how this board is precieved because of the posts that you get here. Irregardless if you like it or not, but people see this as the public face of the AAUP. Fom now on, we will yell "obtruce" and "preceived" and that will be "irregardless if you like it or not." When you have to crituque spelling, it becomes obvious that you have no other means to combate what was said. I will take this as you either agree with or that you have not the wit or reason to debate my comments.

In your ramblings, I'm afraid there's a lot more vitriol than wit. Muddled structure of muddled thought.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Seeker wrote:

When you have to crituque spelling, it becomes obvious that you have no other means to combate what was said. I will take this as you either agree with or that you have not the wit or reason to debate my comments.

Seeker--

Earlier, you offered your opinion about perception. You allowed as how the public perceives the AAUP based in large part on the postings to this board: What I am trying to do here, is get you to understand (as AAUP members) is how this board is precieved because of the posts that you get here. Irregardless if you like it or not, but people see this as the public face of the AAUP. I assume that you offered your criticism in good faith - that old "constructive criticism" we hear about so often. Why not take criticism of your grammar and spelling in the same vein?

Irrespective of whether you like it, people see your spelling and grammar as your public face. You seem to spend a fair amount of time thinking and going to the trouble to post your thoughts in this forum. I presume you want your observations to receive as fair a reception as possible. Why handicap your own arguments and observations by creating barriers to their reception and understanding?

In this day of spell check programs, obvious misspelling implies a disdain for your audience that I don't think you really intend.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

ram wrote:

Seeker wrote:
When you have to crituque spelling, it becomes obvious that you have no other means to combate what was said. I will take this as you either agree with or that you have not the wit or reason to debate my comments.

Seeker--
Earlier, you offered your opinion about perception. You allowed as how the public perceives the AAUP based in large part on the postings to this board: What I am trying to do here, is get you to understand (as AAUP members) is how this board is precieved because of the posts that you get here. Irregardless if you like it or not, but people see this as the public face of the AAUP. I assume that you offered your criticism in good faith - that old "constructive criticism" we hear about so often. Why not take criticism of your grammar and spelling in the same vein?
Irrespective of whether you like it, people see your spelling and grammar as your public face. You seem to spend a fair amount of time thinking and going to the trouble to post your thoughts in this forum. I presume you want your observations to receive as fair a reception as possible. Why handicap your own arguments and observations by creating barriers to their reception and understanding?
In this day of spell check programs, obvious misspelling implies a disdain for your audience that I don't think you really intend.

Ram, you rule! To Seeker--BAM! How do you like a taste of your own medicine, idot?

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Ram Fan wrote:

Ram, you rule! To Seeker--BAM! How do you like a taste of your own medicine, idot?

If you are having to call me names, I must be making you think. Carry on if calling me names makes you feel better that's fine, I can take it.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Seeker wrote:

Ram Fan wrote:

Ram, you rule! To Seeker--BAM! How do you like a taste of your own medicine, idot?

If you are having to call me names, I must be making you think. Carry on if calling me names makes you feel better that's fine, I can take it.

No, Ram made me think. You just make me laugh.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

OK, ram, here goes. "Irregardless" is not really a word. It is a nonstandard adverb that has risen from a deterioration in casual speech and written language. "Regardless" is the proper word for "without regard." Adding the "irr-" prefix is akin to a double negative, and that don't make no sense.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Ram Fan wrote:

No, Ram made me think. You just make me laugh.

Everyone has to have a purpose, glad I can provide you with some comic relief.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

dictionary.com wrote:

OK, ram, here goes. "Irregardless" is not really a word. It is a nonstandard adverb that has risen from a deterioration in casual speech and written language. "Regardless" is the proper word for "without regard." Adding the "irr-" prefix is akin to a double negative, and that don't make no sense.

Somebody on this board said that it is now O.K. to use a preposition to use a sentence with. I still think speaking or writing in that manner makes one appear to have been absent when English grammar was taught. Talk about revising history, now they are revising English. Is this because English teachers have become frustrated and thrown in the towel?

Date: Jun 14, 2005

Regardless of what trends arise, I will continue to penalize those students who persist in ending sentences with prepositions. My basic fear is that students do so simply because they cannot distinguish a preposition from any other part of speech.

Date: Jun 14, 2005

RE: Powell Ogletree passed away today

Date: Jun 14, 2005

RE: Powell Ogletree past away today