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googler wrote:


Conduct your own google search.  You'll find what was found by others and shared with many.


I hope you don't mean deCasal? Googled to death. The women does consulting and some outside teaching. Big deal. This is hardly a secret to the people in CEP (or the reasoan she left Winthrop behind). deCasal is on campus and actually in her office DOING HER WORK more than almost anybody--including the Domers. Why do you think she is being harrassed by Domers and people like "ITK"? Why does ITK say DT is so wonderful and bright and CDC just an awful, dumb NCATE'er. First correct guess wins the "Tammany Dome" award.  



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Winner

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The rumblings are not coming from the Dome.  They are coming from PEC members and no one Domers are on PEC.


 



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Really Knows

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I know who ITK is!  She is close to someone in the Dome!!!!!

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You get the booby prize

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Winner wrote:


The rumblings are not coming from the Dome.  They are coming from PEC members and no one Domers are on PEC.  


A few, but not all, PEC members are unhappy--typically for very self serving reasons--that are not worth exploring here. I do agree wholeheartedly that some of these people went running to their friends in the Dome (they are known). But this was not the trigger for these events (if you believe that, you vastly overestimate the power of PEC faculty outside CISE, unless it is in the Dome's interest to use that information to their own ends). 


I agree with ITK on this point. Wait for the consultant's report. If he says NCATE is way off track and WP and his crew gets fired, then that's it for NCATE here. If he says you are on track but with some issues to resolve, then DT and you better get on board the train, or there will plenty of blame for an NCATE crash and burn to go around. 



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Robert Campbell

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In the Know wrote:


I have not "tipped" my hand.  Sorry to disappoint!  Think broader than the Dome!!!!


Well, there's one possibility outside the Dome--but not where you're trying to misdirect me to.


RC



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Robert Campbell

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Winner wrote:


The rumblings are not coming from the Dome.  They are coming from PEC members and no one Domers are on PEC.  


What's the PEC?


RC



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stinky cheese man

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it's the professional education council. probably more info than you want but here's an excerpt from the faculty handbook:

"The Professional Education Council (PEC) ensures that the professional education programs at The University of Southern Mississippi comply with the standards of NCATE and other professional accrediting agencies, and the Mississippi Department of Education. By virtue of the committee structure and membership, the Council has a continuous source of information for use in considering policy and program development and revision. The Council serves as a sounding board for the professional education needs of public and private agencies and recommends actions regarding the development, administration, evaluation, and revision of all professional education programs, i.e., undergraduate and graduate programs leading to licensure in education, to the Dean of the College of Education and Psychology. The Dean of the College of Education and Psychology is the designated University official charged with the responsibility for and authority to provide direction and leadership to the Professional Education Unit at The University of Southern Mississippi. The Professional Education Unit is defined as the College of Education and Psychology and the professional education faculty located in other colleges, schools, and departments in the University.

Membership on the PEC includes faculty, students, community educators, and a representative from the Office of Field Experiences. The faculty representatives come from the departments of the College of Education and Psychology and the colleges housing professional education programs."

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Robert Campbell

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scm,


Thanks--sometimes the acronyms get overwhelming.


Is Dana Thames on the PEC?


Robert Campbell



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stinky cheese man

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i don't know but i would guess so since her department is heavily involved in teacher education. i think NCATE would question the chair of a large (if not the largest) teacher education unit not being on the committee.

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stinky cheese man wrote:


i don't know but i would guess so since her department is heavily involved in teacher education. i think NCATE would question the chair of a large (if not the largest) teacher education unit not being on the committee.

I have noted that NCATE standards and expectations are not very high when compared with the expectations of the accrediting organizations in other disciplines. 

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Robert Campbell

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Totem Pole wrote:


I have noted that NCATE standards and expectations are not very high when compared with the expectations of the accrediting organizations in other disciplines. 




TT,

I haven't studied up on NCATE but, for a variety of reasons, I would not be surprised if its standards proved rather lax.

However, when it comes to failing at accreditation, the Thames administration is up to any task

Robert Campbell

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I have noted that NCATE standards and expectations are not very high when compared with the expectations of the accrediting organizations in other disciplines. 


TT,

I haven't studied up on NCATE but, for a variety of reasons, I would not be surprised if its standards proved rather lax.

Robert:

Actually, NCATE is a bear, and those folks hand out probation like candy. It is a very difficult process, because you need Unit (all the prof ed endeavors), University, and department level data. And you have to demonstrate that you have used data for program improvement.

Plus, it supercedes every single SPA accred process in the university, and takes into account APA, CACREP and other accred bodies. Not easy. Also, we are an NCATE state--therefore, if NCATE goes, so do our licensure programs in four colleges. Not trivial.

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Robert Campbell

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Actually, I know of some non-Ed departments at Clemson that had responsibilities to NCATE (because of their role in teacher training) and screwed up pretty badly.

Robert Campbell



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Emma

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In the Know wrote:


You never know, do you?  I understand they had a good discussion and an exchange of ideas about how to make things better.  You may not like DT's personality, but she is sharp and knows her field.

WHAT???????????  She knows her position at the university, but she certainly does not know her field. I am in her field, and she has the same old tired research that she's been pushing since she came back to USM (after getting her BA and Masters from here - as well as her high school diploma from some private school) in the early, EARLY 90's. That's the biggest laugh I've had all night. I am so glad that I went back to some of the older posts. She only knows people because she was born into a family. She has no expertise in the field of reading. None whatsoever.  LOL!!  And, how is she "sharp". Give me a break, but it is a funny one.

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Emma, you are so correct, and your response is so you. Remember the audience though. Most don't know diddley squat about the teaching of literacy skills in the language arts, but I DO know what you say is true!!!!!!  It's closing in, and we'll see it through.

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In the know is Not In the Know in disguise. I guess I can't trust the source of half of what i read but atleast it teaches me to be more critical.


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Third Witch wrote:

Dean Pierce may have one of the most thankless jobs in America. However, I wonder what DT is planning to do for a living once Daddy steps down. It's not like she ever really taught. Is she even certified?



The office must have some cache.

Didn't the COEP Deans ascend to their positions in this administration the same way that the President did?

Weren't they both members of the search committee to find a replacement for Carl Martray?

Wasn't the President a member of the search committee to find a President?

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Three Amigos

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To the above questions:


Yes, Yes, and Yes



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Mitch - a good guy


Dana - a spolied brat


DeCassale - Ready to be anyplace than where she was a year ago.


Pierce - Stuck in the middle with all of them


CISE - didn't they used to have about 20 plus tenured and tenure track faculty


Psych - A great program that is being bulldozed by SFT


ELR - too many rats off the ship to be able to figure it out


Adult Ed - Rachal - Master and Commander of one spot on the College's Academic Council


Peggy Smith - the last great person to jump ship



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COePinated wrote:





Pierce - Stuck in the middle with all of them CISE


Willie Pierce is an honorable person.


Psych - A great program that is being bulldozed by SFT


I heard that English and Nursing were the only programs that were victims of the heavy equipment. How is Psych being bulldozed?






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Psychology will not stand by the stupid mistakes that DT delivers. She might be the chair of CISE but her Daddy is the Prez and all suffer from Pierce on down the Tier IV steps.

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Psychology will not stand by the stupid mistakes that DT delivers. She might be the chair of CISE but her Daddy is the Prez and all suffer from Pierce on down the Tier IV steps.

But I don't understand what CISE could possibly have to do with bulldozing PSYCH. Those two disciplines are not even remotely related are they?

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Pete

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As far as I can tell, and I'm there, Psychology is doing just fine, thank you. Oh, granted, I suppose the Shelb could wreak havoc wherever he wants, but I'm not aware of any rumblings unless you can enlighten me??? And DT has no effect/influence on Psychology..............?????


Pete



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Pete wrote:


As far as I can tell, and I'm there, Psychology is doing just fine, thank you. Oh, granted, I suppose the Shelb could wreak havoc wherever he wants, but I'm not aware of any rumblings unless you can enlighten me??? And DT has no effect/influence on Psychology..............????? Pete

That exactly what I thought. Psych is fine and dandy. I can't imagine it allowing itself to be pushed around. Thanks

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Feral CATerpillar tractor wrote:


Pete wrote: As far as I can tell, and I'm there, Psychology is doing just fine, thank you. Oh, granted, I suppose the Shelb could wreak havoc wherever he wants, but I'm not aware of any rumblings unless you can enlighten me??? And DT has no effect/influence on Psychology..............????? Pete That exactly what I thought. Psych is fine and dandy. I can't imagine it allowing itself to be pushed around. Thanks

Psych unfortunately is in the same College as Daddy's girl - so she influences everything. Prove that what I'm saying is wrong Psych teachers who have the guts to talk.

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The above poster is correct. We're way too scared to ruin what we have and give out names. It's odd that other people think that Psych has remained untouchedl I'm just like the above poster -- prove that my assertions are incorrect and I'll stand corrected!! WON'T HAPPEN.

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Jeffery Lebowski

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And DT has no effect/influence on Psychology..............?????


What world are you living in, man?



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Psychflashdance wrote:


We're way too scared to ruin what we have and give out names.

Have your chair intervene. That's why depts have one. They provide a buffer. 

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Jeffrey Lebowski:


I'll tell you what world I'm living in "MAN."


I'm living in a psychology department with a damn strong chair who is highly respected within the university along a number of fronts. Our chair has constant big money grants that take him to the gulf coast, California, etc. with his highly respected research with dolphins and their communication systems. He also regularly teaches graduate courses in the department (Advanced Developmental). I can guarantee that if Stan Kuczaj were getting an amount of flak, especially from DT, he'd tell them all to take a hike and he'd step down and join the faculty. DT may TRY to push her weight around, but the day it starts affecting psychology, our chair is history. And, as far as I can tell, our department is fairly respected across campus. Stan could move on to other higher Tier universities, I can assure you. On the whole, he treats his faculty with respect and lets us do our jobs -- teaching, research, and service. 


We have APA accredited (American Psychological Assoc.) Ph.D. programs in Clinical Psy, School Psy, and Counseling Psy, as well as a growing experimental doctoral program and a master's program in counseling psychology.


We have over 30 faculty and with very few exceptions, our faculty are bright, productive, ethical, and have a great deal of integrity. We've held the line on grade inflation, and we're trying to do our part to teach our students and maintain standards, maintain productive research programs, and provide service to our deparment, college (e.g., NCATE), and university (e.g., SACS, graduate council, faculty senate, President's PC, grade review committee, etc.). Morale is not very good with all the shenanigans going on in the dome, but much of that doesn't iminge on our day-to-day work and we try to do our jobs and handle our careers as best we can.


Our Ph.D. students are getting internships at outstanding sites, such as Va Hospitals, Johns Hopkins, Meyer Rehab Institute in Omaha, the May Institute in Boston, etc. etc..........


We could stand to increase our grant securement, but even that is picking up........


So, we're not afraid of DT -- she's a non entity. As I said previously, The Shelbster could decide tomorrow to give us tons of grief, but he's had ample opportunities and it hasn't happened. I think he sees us as separate in many ways from the rest of the departments in the college were in. We're a fairly sizeable producer of Ph.D.s every year and psychology undergraduate students.


So, Jabroni Lebowski, you asked me to prove that DT isn't influencing us. How in the hell am I supposed to do that? I can't point out ALL the areas and policies that she is NOT affecting or influencing in our deparment. But I'm not aware of anything she's "doing" to the psychology department.


Your job is easier......just point out clear evidence of one or two ways that she IS somehow wreaking havoc on psychology????? What clear, objective evidence, or empirical data do you have to support such a claim????


Again, I maintain that Psychology is rolling along quite nicely. There, I tooted our own horn!


Pete


 


 


 


 



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Psychflashdance wrote:


The above poster is correct. We're way too scared to ruin what we have and give out names. It's odd that other people think that Psych has remained untouchedl

You and Pete should agree to disagree and then forget about it.

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