Grimes rejects CoB plan - USM Forum -- Message Board

Date: Jun 9, 2005

RE: Grimes rejects CoB plan

Date: Jun 9, 2005

Gulf coast wrote:

The attempt to have an Executive MBA program on the USM Gulf Coast Campus began 5 years ago and the COB could not get off its fat ass to provide the program. The large companies on the Coast were in support.

Gulf coast, you say that the large companies on the Coast were in support of an Executive MBA program on the USM Gulf Coast Campus. If you asked those same companies if they in support of USM Gulf Coast offering a degree in aeronautical engineering, hortituture, forest management, or veterinary medicine, they would give an enthisiastic YES. Decisions as to which programs a university is prepared to support is an acdemic matter.

Date: Jun 9, 2005

Really, GCB, you give yourself away so easily.

Who but an ally of Shelby Freland Thames would call Clemson, South Carolina, a "desperate hell hole?"

I should frame that comment, so I can put it on the wall.

Don't forget that my department resides in a College of Business and Behavioral Science and that strengthening the MBA program is a constant preoccupation of many of my Business colleagues.

You know, maybe when Thames and Ken Malone are gone, when there is no longer an administrative offensive against the College of Business, and when there are no plans to build a College of Economic Development over its lifeless carcass, someone will come up with a reasonable plan for an Executive MBA program that both generates revenue for the College and upholds reasonable standards of academic quality.

But until Thames and crew are gone, and their grand plans decisively buried, who is going to trust anyone in the administration who demands an Executive MBA program--implemented yesterday, or else?

Robert Campbell

Date: Jun 9, 2005

Gulf coast Business wrote:

Doty does not understand that in the business world today we are paperless.

Not in the business world where I work. Granted, we are headed in that direction, but we definitely are not there yet. Not by a long shot.

Even if we were, I cannot see why that single fact would have such a profound effect.

Date: Jun 9, 2005

Gulf Coast wrote:

Tulane College . . . The MBA degree of Tulane on the Coast is not from Tulane University and cost 45M.

Gulf Coast - you do not seem to understand the nature of university organization. A university is a collection of colleges administratively yoked. USM is Hattiesburg is nothing more than that. Ole Miss is nothing more than that. Mississippi State is nothing more than that. It doesn't matter where those individual colleges are located. Ole Miss' Medical School is in Jackson, for example. Tulane has a college on the Gulf Coast. In the case of both Ole Miss and Tulane their remotely located colleges are still an integral part of their respective universities.

Date: Jun 9, 2005

A certificte is not a degree, Do I need to use colors by Numbers?

Date: Jun 9, 2005

Gulf Coast Business wrote:

Tulane will announce an executive MBA program for the fall. It looks like the fool is DOTY!!! We lose again.

Don't you realize that new programs are expensive if they are done right? You speak as if resources are unlimited. The USM College of Business has been short of faculty for five years now. Given the current budget situation in Mississippi, USM would have to rob Peter to pay Paul. What program would you earmark to divert funds from in order to support a new Executive MBA program? You say that we lost again. I'd say the taxpayers of Mississippi are the big winners on this one.

Date: Jun 9, 2005

They are short because they are either at faculty senate or playing golf.

Date: Jun 9, 2005

What happened to COW COLLEGE CAMPBELL?

Date: Jun 9, 2005

ram wrote:

Gulf coast Business wrote: Doty does not understand that in the business world today we are paperless. Not in the business world where I work. Granted, we are headed in that direction, but we definitely are not there yet. Not by a long shot. Even if we were, I cannot see why that single fact would have such a profound effect.

The issue is not "paperless" or not, it is "quality" or not. Reduced to its simplest form, the reason that Shelby finally got marginalized is because he overpromised and underdelivered. Thames and company tried to shortcut a terminal business degree with the IDV PhD and an "executive" economic development pseudo business degree. There is nothing wrong with distance learning when properly implemented. However, rushing to "market" with a poorly thought out program is a sure road to disaster. If the college of business set up roadblocks, then it sounds like it did so to prevent the much-discussed train wreck.

Date: Jun 9, 2005

Why has CCC (Cow College Campbell) not responded to the Flmming Thread? Must be a reason!!!

Date: Jun 9, 2005

Gulf Coast wrote:

Why has CCC (Cow College Campbell) not responded to the Flmming Thread? Must be a reason!!!

GCB,

See the thread on Myron's PUC Report.

Now we need another Flit advertisement from O Henry

Robert Campbell

Date: Jun 9, 2005

Gulf Coast wrote:

What happened to COW COLLEGE CAMPBELL?

Running Gulf Coast's comments through Troll Zapper's Linguistic Litany Lalapolooza, we have ascertained that there is a 99% chance that Gulf Coast is an adolescent in disguise. Gulf Coast and JoJo's graph overlapped significantly. We suggest that Gulf Coast be treated accordingly. Not responding to the Troll has proved to be the most effective method. It works even better than Flit. We suggest that you allow Gulf Coast to speak. But don't respond.

Date: Jun 9, 2005

Many trolls out tonight. And it isn't even a full moon.

Date: Jun 9, 2005

Once upon a time (circa 1995) COB was offering a quality undergraduate program in HBG, a Division-II style undergraduate program at the coast, a good and improving MBA in HBG, and a good PMBA program on the coast. With serious declines in both the quantity and quality of the faculty and new programs at Stennis and Jackson County those days are long gone. The college has triaged down to trying to maintain the quality of the undergraduate programs and has let the MBA programs find a new (lower) level. Adding an executive MBA program on top of this already rickety structure is preposterous. It would have been doable with the old faculty plus 3 to 5 new lines. With the reduced ranks and the wave of departures over the next 5 years, there's no possible way unless you just went online and sold degrees. That was probably the plan anyway.

If you want to keep picking on JH, fire away. At least he hasn't used university money to buy himself an airplane.

Date: Jun 9, 2005

GCB uses "m" to mean thousand, not million. Is that usage European or Asian?

Date: Jun 9, 2005

Yes Lucille, you are right.

Similar to a post I wrote a while back, for USM's CoB to get into the exMBA world, it would require a commitment from the administration that will never happen.

My friend is at a top-notch SEC school, with a very well-developed exMBA program. His university built a 4-star building, with all the trimmings, and made a huge commitment to allow the College of Business to run the program.

Here is the problem at USM - SFT will never make that commitment, nor would he allow the CoB to use the funds generated by an exMBA to support/expand the program. These tuition dollars would "roll up" into the Dome (as everything does here), never to be seen again.

Why on earth would the CoB allow themselves to be used in this fashion? I have seen my friend's program. You can not develop and run and exMBA program on the cheap, and you shouldn't. SFT would never allow the CoB to model another successful program.

His problem is that the exMBA program is (and should be) a Business school program. Malone can't sell his stuff as an MBA equivalent, and that is why it is a sham.

And that is that - Count

Date: Jun 10, 2005

LVN wrote:

GCB uses "m" to mean thousand, not million. Is that usage European or Asian?

Actually, it's Roman (remember way back in the last century dates used to start with MCM...=19...?) It used to be the standard abbreviation for thousand, especially in quantity ordering of items. Maybe some biz type could tell us when (if?) it passed from use in the U.S. in that context.

Date: Jun 10, 2005

BP wrote:

I'm confused too but for a different reason. Is it standard practice for a provost to overturn academic decisions of the faculty?

Wouldn't it be in keeping with the philosophy of academic governance that an individual college is best able to determine its own curriculum issues and that university-wide committees provide the external validation? How can anyone seriously think that the interference by the otherwise ineffectual provost in this issue is anything but a specifically targeted personal attack on the CoB?