The Mixon memo is the first post on the thread called "copyrights and eagle talk" started by Amy Young.
As for Myron being insulted by S.of B., well, being insulted by some people is really a compliment. But why Myron, I wonder?

btw I have not read the comment and will not go over there

USM needs a real privately-sponsored sports board, free of insults directed toward the faculty. I've never seen such trash on the sports board of my university. If EagleTalk isn't careful, they might just well face such competition.

That ain't no "real nasty shot."  It's just a lame joke.  We had a whole thread of much better jokes about SFT and the henchcrew just a couple of weeks ago.

If we're gonna dish it out, we really ought to be able to take it, don't you think? 

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Originally posted by: Had enough
"USM needs a real privately-sponsored sports board, free of insults directed toward the faculty. I've never seen such trash on the sports board of my university. If EagleTalk isn't careful, they might just well face such competition. "

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Try http://www.goldeneagles.net

I am a moderator on Eagle Post - a USM message board geared toward but not limited to athletics at SOUTHERN MISS.  We have a string every now and then regarding SFT and the faculty though it's never as one sided as is found by the seeming majority of posters on Eagle Talk who obviously buy into the "run it as a business" philosophy.

Our simple rules are to keep the language clean, don't link porno stuff (though you can send it to the mods (just kidding)) don't post personal attacks and finally, don't bait other posters into an argument.  We'd be happy to have some faculty/staff and even admin comments on our website.  There are some maniacs who patrol our website looking for anything negative about USM (generally that would be about Bower since most posts are going to be sports related, but also about the admin).  Once discovered they try to sound informed but quickly show their lack of knowledge of either sport or academia.

I'll say this, the vast majority of deletions (though only a couple per week) are due to trying to bait someone into a fight, thus, while I can guarantee you we'd love input from the faculty/staff (not just about the admin, but about anything going on at USM), it is quite possible you'll get some negative reactions as well.  I can also guarantee you if/when I see the baiting posts they'll be deleted (all mods except one has a regular full time job and are limited to what we do with the board during regular work hours).

So, please feel free to mark http://www.goldeneagles.net as a favorite and please, feel free to post regularly (just remember - deleting personal attacks on professors/staff is no more important than deleting personal attacks on the administration).

We'd really enjoy your input into various happenings at USM - after all, you are there every day and can give us first hand discussions.

 

Sorry Mr. Morgan, I was answering Son of Bubba.  Our posts crossed. 

Thanks for the link.  I'll check out your site.

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Originally posted by: Son of Bubba
" The word "art" is mine, of course, but many of the messengers on this board seem to think that it is nasty when an AAUPer is the brunt but okay when you all do it. I would be glad to provide examples of this, but all you have to do is read your own board.  Thanks for recognizing humor even if it isn't from an AAUP member, but yours, I'm afraid, is a lonely voice in the wilderness.  "

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Good Evening, Son of Bubba,

I don't mind jokes at all.  But I am curious as to why you posted the joke on EagleTalk instead on this board.  I would think the ET folks would not be interested in the joke, but on this board in would generate a greater reaction.  I'm  just curious. 

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Originally posted by: Frank Morgan
" Try http://www.goldeneagles.net I am a moderator on Eagle Post - a USM message board geared toward but not limited to athletics at SOUTHERN MISS.  We have a string every now and then regarding SFT and the faculty though it's never as one sided as is found by the seeming majority of posters on Eagle Talk who obviously buy into the "run it as a business" philosophy. Our simple rules are to keep the language clean, don't link porno stuff (though you can send it to the mods (just kidding)) don't post personal attacks and finally, don't bait other posters into an argument.  We'd be happy to have some faculty/staff and even admin comments on our website.  There are some maniacs who patrol our website looking for anything negative about USM (generally that would be about Bower since most posts are going to be sports related, but also about the admin).  Once discovered they try to sound informed but quickly show their lack of knowledge of either sport or academia. I'll say this, the vast majority of deletions (though only a couple per week) are due to trying to bait someone into a fight, thus, while I can guarantee you we'd love input from the faculty/staff (not just about the admin, but about anything going on at USM), it is quite possible you'll get some negative reactions as well.  I can also guarantee you if/when I see the baiting posts they'll be deleted (all mods except one has a regular full time job and are limited to what we do with the board during regular work hours). So, please feel free to mark http://www.goldeneagles.net as a favorite and please, feel free to post regularly (just remember - deleting personal attacks on professors/staff is no more important than deleting personal attacks on the administration). We'd really enjoy your input into various happenings at USM - after all, you are there every day and can give us first hand discussions.  "

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I thank you for calling attention to  http://www.goldeneagles.net of which I was previously unaware. I had no idea there was an alternative to EagleTalk. I find your comments civil and reasonable.

 

Based on my limited viewing of their site, Eagle Post does seem to be a "cut above."

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Originally posted by: Son of Bubba
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Because I wanted to.  I am not a fan of his or some of your other members.  Your "No Quarter" approach is ugly and dangerous.  I wholeheartedly support your right to protest against SFT's administration, but your attacks on others who you assume to be your enemy with only the barest of circumcumstantial evidence is something that I can't stomach.
Myron and the boys are driving away many potential allies with their arrogant and selfish approach.  Count me as one of those formerly potential allies. I don't like a lot of what SFT has done, but I won't support your "Kill 'em all and let God sort  them out!" strategy.  That by the way that is a quote on your board by one of your members. 
By the way if in the future you want to win somebody over, I suggest you keep them away from the messages in your archives.  I'm sure that many of you are good, reasonable people, but your archives would scare the hell out of most folks."

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To this point I have agreed with almost nothing SoB has said on the board. But, to be honest he has given you the sole reason I have not and can not wholeheartedly support this group and what they stand for.

If you guys do not believe that the AAUP has done more to harm the faculty (in this instance) at USM than they have to help, you are sadly mistaken. The letters that everyone here praise are met with a much different prespective to everyone outside of your circle of influence.

And the way this board lashes out at anyone who dosen't join lock-step with the cause is disturbing. I have been more disappointed with Thames than many of you will ever believe, but at the same time, I can not share the attitude that is taken here.

Apparently we have all failed to teach several important concepts. We have not taught the concept of "context" -- that "kill them all" comment was a famous quotation, not a comment by the poster, for example. Many of the posts here are satirical, are replies to other comments, or are quotations. Ripped out of context, almost anything can sound horrible. (How many teenagers say, "My dad's gonna kill me!")

We have also failed in making it clear what an OPEN board is. OPEN means ANYBODY can post ANYTHING (guess I should say ANYTIME) -- nobody knows who half these people are.

That being said, I think posters should begin to use more care in posting satire. I say that sadly. I realize more and more that many otherwise intelligent and humorous people don't grasp it, particularly the more subtle (and funnier) kinds. I also think that letter writers should totally eschew satire; I attempted it in one letter and an editorial change both destroyed the satire and thus shifted the meaning of the letter. And, people don't get it.

The archives of this board do contain objectionable material, but they also contain some of the deepest, most thoughtful essays I have ever read. And their value as an historical artifact cannot be overestimated.

LVN is correct in the fact that the "Kill em all, let God sort em out later" is a quotation.  It comes from the United States Marine Corps.

What I notice the most here is not miscommunication per se, but a misunderstanding (yes, Miss I's sister) of what is said.  Both sides of the fence here are just as adament about their point of view as the other side. Each thinking they are right and the other is wrong.  Not necessarily so my friends, both sides can be right at the same time, and vise versa.  What Son of Bubba has done in a sense is simply stirred the pot at both "camps".  He is nothing more than a trouble maker and should be ignored, by both sides.

I will close this with another miltary saying, this one comes from the Green Berets:

"When you are up to your ass in alligators, its hard to remember your main objective is to drain the swamp".

Your alligators are the administration, specifically the IHL, and your main objective is to get rid of SFT.  Don't lose sight of that, ever.

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Originally posted by: Shipmate
" Seeker, in the long run it doesn't matter what you or I think about the situation at USM, and in the long run it doesn't matter what those within our local circle of influence think. What does matter is what our academic peers nationally think. I know what they think, and it is most distressing.  "

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shipmate,

i would think distressing is an understatement.  usm had clawed its way up to a small amount of academic respectability from the 70s to the 90s.  that has been squandered over the last five years.  there is still some good teaching and good research going on at usm.  however this is no longer being done with the institution in mind.  its being done for ones own self respect and in the hope of obtaining a decent job at another institution.  as a friend of mine put it, you're no longer working for usm, you're working for yourself.  precisely.  students are students no matter where you work and they deserve your best effort.  if my research benefits usms reputation, i don't care.  why should i?  the people i work for don't care about any research that is not funded.  since there is no funded research available in my area, my position at usm is no longer tenable. 

seeker and son of bubba,  don't worry about the faculty.  we're dead and so is the institution.  no matter what anyone does usm is now a degree mill.  a degree mill is where the administration of the school attempts to provide a college education at the lowest possible cost.  if you want to see the future of usm, look at marshall and east carolina.  ten years ago we could look down our noses at them.  now we have joined their ranks.  to get back we would need ten first class administrators and ten years of decent funding.  since neither of these will occur, we're toast. 

the purpose of this board is now twofold.  first is simple catharsis for those who have trouble letting go of the past and need a place to talk.  the second is that the institution is now mismanaged beyond belief.  the trains do not run on time and sometimes they don't run at all.  since talking on campus is now dangerous, we talk about the mismanagement and how we're going to deal with it here. 

since none of this has anything to do with nonemployees of usm, i for one would appreciate it if you would just go away.  we don't bother you.  it would be nice if you would quit bothering us.  its bad enough that i have to get berated in the local paper with my breakfast (see todays HA for yet another enlightening piece on the perfidy of the "faculty". 

enough of this, i have an revise and resubmit to work on this morning.

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Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"I doubt that Son of Bubba is going to find traction at EagleTalk with stuff so infantile. It's best treated as the equivalent of trolling on this board. Robert Campbell"

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 Of course, all the "humorous" comments posted on this board are very adult.  Robert, you really need to give it a break.  You alienate far more people than win. I am having trouble understanding why USM supporters allow you to stick your nose in their business anyway, unless, of course, the underlying reason is that they aren't USM supporters at all. 

If the goal of the AAUP is to tear everything down, then it is clear why you are welcome.

There comes a time when even the most compromising "middle roaders" throw their hands up in frustration at an increasingly untenable situation.