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AWOL

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. . . If Lassen wore full academic regalia? Personally, I was a bit miffed when he wore a Ph.D. hood at the last commencement I attended. Not only is it an affront to the accomplishments of those who have earned the degree, but it clearly illustrates the academic fraud that is endorsed by this administration. So, back to my original question - Did anyone notice if he was wearing a hood?



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stinky cheese man

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i was at the evening ceremony and i don't even remember if he was on the platform.

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AWOL

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Which raises another point - why is he up there any way, other than being shelby's boy?

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stinky cheese man

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i assume because he's vp for finance. same reason joe paul is up there.

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Some Beach

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I was there at the evening program, and he did.

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Question

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Is he the one working on a PhD in economic development now?

Former VP's of finance were on stage at commencement. It's not new.

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BOGUS CFO, COO, CTO & AFL-CIO

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"I was there at the evening program, and he did."


Maybe he has a BOGUS doctorate

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Higher Calling

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Originally posted by: AWOL

" . . . If Lassen wore full academic regalia? Personally, I was a bit miffed when he wore a Ph.D. hood at the last commencement I attended. Not only is it an affront to the accomplishments of those who have earned the degree, but it clearly illustrates the academic fraud that is endorsed by this administration. So, back to my original question - Did anyone notice if he was wearing a hood? "

Maybe he's completed his USM IDV PhD.  Time flies when you're having fun.

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David Johnson

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He was on the stage at the 2:30 ceremony, and I believe he was wearing a hood, but I wasn't able to determine whether it was a masters' hood or a doctoral hood. It's possible he was wearing a masters' hood, which I assume he'd be entitled to wear.

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Watcher

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What really pi$$ed me off was that the SGA president was wearing a doctoral robe (yes, velvet and all). He should have been wearing the undergraduate robe with no adornments if anything, since he has yet to earn a BS or BA.

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Color Coded

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" He should have been wearing the undergraduate robe with no adornments if anything, since he has yet to earn a BS or BA."


Every student who does not hold the baccalaureate should wear a black cap and gown with no colored adornments. Wearing the same color (black) is a symbol that they are all starting out on the same footing. The colored adornments are "earned" through attaining advanced degrees.


I have noticed in recent years, however that some high schools appear to have become "uppity" by having their graduates adorned in blue, green, red, or some other tacky colored robes. They should wear black. Let them display the gold tassel after they receive their diploma.



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O2BaPhD

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Originally posted by: Higher Calling

"Maybe he's completed his USM IDV PhD.  Time flies when you're having fun."


According to the IDV website http://www.usm.edu/international/pages/students.html, Gregg Lassen started the PhD program in January 2003. Unless he went through the IDV drive-through window, there is no legitimate way he could have completed a doctorate in that time frame, working full-time as CFO and whatever else he was doing prior to that appointment.


I have been told that it irks him to be called "Mr." Lassen because he does have a J.D. Sounds like a case of PhD Envy.


 



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Watcher

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A lot of people get irked by a lot of things, but I have noticed that JDs in academics get their feathers ruffled about such things regularly, as if attaining a JD is equivalent to attaining a Ph.D. (and I'm talking true Ph.D., not some pseudo-Ph.D., but I digress).

Not even an LLM is close to a Ph.D., given the way they are usually administered.

I suggest that even when Lassen "achieves" (or should thay be "obtains"?) his IDV Ph.D., everyone should continue to call him "Mr."



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Morphine Will Lassen the Pain

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"A lot of people get irked by a lot of things, but I have noticed that JDs in academics get their feathers ruffled about such things regularly, as if attaining a JD is equivalent to attaining a Ph.D. (and I'm talking true Ph.D., not some pseudo-Ph.D., but I digress).

Not even an LLM is close to a Ph.D., given the way they are usually administered.

I suggest that even when Lassen "achieves" (or should thay be "obtains"?) his IDV Ph.D., everyone should continue to call him "Mr."

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So, if GL gets an IDV Ph.D., will he cease to claim the J.D.? Maybe if he gets the IDV Ph.D. PDQ, he will cease to be MIA. Perhaps he will go AWOL? Then we'll hear on MPB that USM VP GL, Ph.D., JD, is AWOL and headed to PIB with some FGIA money and is trying to outrun the MBI, USMPD, HPD, and the USAF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Doctor Doctor

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Originally posted by: O2BaPhD


"he does have a J.D. "




If he has a J.D. then he does have a doctorate (doctor of jurisprudence). I always wondered why J.D.'s didn't use the title "doctor." A Doctor of Jurisprudence (J.D.)  has as much right to use that term as does a Doctor of Medicine (M.D.), a Doctor of Education (Ed.D.), a Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) or Doctor of Chiropractic (D.C.) I've never attended a law school graduation, but it would surprise me if they weren't hooded with a colorful cape also. Knowledge that he has a J.D. makes a whole lot of difference in my reading of this thread.

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Call me Bob

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"I suggest that even when Lassen "achieves" (or should thay be "obtains"?) his IDV Ph.D., everyone should continue to call him "Mr." "

At the best universities, Ph.D.'s are referred to as "Mr." or "Ms." Take a look at a tier one university catalog and you'll see.


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Mr. Doc

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It's perfectly proper to call an M.D. "Mister." But I wouldn't advise doing that immediately before your surgery.

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Biz Doc

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I know that in my discipline there are two doctoral distinctions: the Ph.D. and the DBA (Doctor of Business Administration). While some quality schools give the DBA (Harvard is one), most DBA-granting institutions are weak. This causes some level of aggravation when administrators fail to make a distinction between the two degrees in salaries, etc. Traditionally, the DBA is more of an applied degree with less emphasis on seminal research (or on research at all). Recipients of a DBA generally write two masters-quality theses in two related disciplines (say, statistics and economics) and have ample graduate hours to teach either at the undergraduate and masters levels. The DBA is generally a far cry from a Ph.D., though, as the requirements for a DBA pale in comparison to the rigors of a Ph.D.

I am not quite sure why we have to create degrees and designations to accommodate those who cannot stand up to the test of traditional programs.

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O2BaPhD

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"At the best universities, Ph.D.'s are referred to as "Mr." or "Ms." Take a look at a tier one university catalog and you'll see."


Indeed. AH/Truth mentioned this when talking about Vanderbilt in a thread some time ago.


Maybe Mr. Lassen will end up at a tier one university upon receiving his PhD from the one-of-a-kind, wurl' class IDV program.



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Old Doc

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"If he has a J.D. then he does have a doctorate (doctor of jurisprudence). I always wondered why J.D.'s didn't use the title "doctor." A Doctor of Jurisprudence (J.D.)  has as much right to use that term as does a Doctor of Medicine (M.D.), a Doctor of Education (Ed.D.), a Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.) or Doctor of Chiropractic (D.C.) I've never attended a law school graduation, but it would surprise me if they weren't hooded with a colorful cape also. Knowledge that he has a J.D. makes a whole lot of difference in my reading of this thread. "


As stated earlier in the thread, having a J.D. is like having a master's degree in anything else. The J.D. is not the terminal law degree (there are LL.M.s and Ph.D.s in law out there).

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PRCC Pow-Wow

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Why are there any J.D.'s teaching at USM?? The only people teaching as tenure-track faculty at USM should be Ph.D.'s. To me, the only J.D.'s that should be employed by USM are the university attorneys. Since USM has no law school, there's no need for them.

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Lawyers Galore

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"Why are there any J.D.'s teaching at USM?? The only people teaching as tenure-track faculty at USM should be Ph.D.'s. To me, the only J.D.'s that should be employed by USM are the university attorneys. Since USM has no law school, there's no need for them."

PRCC Pow-Pow, sure it is appropriate to have J.D.'s at a university that has no law school. USM has had several. For instance one held an appointment in USM's political science department and another was in USM's criminal justice program. Moreover, many medical schools have J.D./M.D. combinations on their faculty. Further, I believe that USM's Director of Human Resources has a J.D. I could speak to this matter more fully, but I believe I have made my point.

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PRCC Pow-Wow

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The political science instance is a poor substitute for a Ph.D., as is the criminal justice.

Notice that the J.D./M.D. has an M.D. in addition to the J.D. at the medical school.

I'm not sure that Russ Willis teaches as a tenure-track faculty member.

In what position is a J.D. better qualified AT USM than a Ph.D.?

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"PRCC Pow-Pow, sure it is appropriate to have J.D.'s at a university that has no law school. USM has had several. For instance one held an appointment in USM's political science department and another was in USM's criminal justice program. Moreover, many medical schools have J.D./M.D. combinations on their faculty. Further, I believe that USM's Director of Human Resources has a J.D. I could speak to this matter more fully, but I believe I have made my point."


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Another lawyer sighting

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And wasn't Lee Gore was a faculty member in the College of Business before he became university attorney?

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Carmen

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Education also had a J.D., Peggy Smith, on their faculty.



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PRCC Pow-Wow

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Shouldn't your name be "Another USELESS Lawyer Sighting"? If you're going to bring him into it, then we might as well go home. There are certain lawyers out there that you just don't want to have on your side. Kind of like marrying the town whore because you want a faithful wife. Just doesn't work.

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"And wasn't Lee Gore was a faculty member in the College of Business before he became university attorney? "


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befuzzledalso

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Ernie King in COB has a JD, and LLM, teaches business law. 

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A matter of degree

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"The only people teaching as tenure-track faculty at USM should be Ph.D.'s."

How about a faculty member that holds an Ed.D? Should that person be tenure-track?

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Watcher

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Back on topic (sort of):

Did it not bother anyone else that Jonathan Krebs wore a doctoral gown at the ceremony? Why is the SGA president wielding such authority and garnering so much Shelby-love?

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stinky cheese man

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what about Khayat and Staton at Ole Miss? Both JDs.

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