I once heard a prominent Southern Senator tell the story about why he went to law school. Back when times were tough, a BS or BA would take 4 years to earn, which meant you had to pay 4 years' tuition. A JD at most colleges only took 2 years. He chose the JD because he could get it in half the time and for half the cost.
Obviously one must have a BA or BS before entering law school nowadays, but the story is true and is reflective of the differences between the JD and the PhD. I'm not sure you could ever get a real PhD without first clearing bachelor's and master's level hurdles.
quote: Originally posted by: Final Authority "Good Point, SCM. Case closed, PRCC Pow-Wow."
Don't you know that it's never over? That the case is never closed?? Ole Miss has a law school and, therefore, they are eligible faculty of the law school in Oxford.
quote: Originally posted by: stinky cheese man "what about Khayat and Staton at Ole Miss? Both JDs."
Indeed they are, and I don't recall ever hearing them make a "stink" (pardon the pun, scm ) about how to address them. Robert Khayat is generally referred to as "Chancellor Khayat," and Carolyn Ellis Staton is addressed as "Ms. Staton." Interestingly, both of them earned their J.D. degrees from Yale.
quote: Originally posted by: Watcher "Back on topic (sort of):
Did it not bother anyone else that Jonathan Krebs wore a doctoral gown at the ceremony? Why is the SGA president wielding such authority and garnering so much Shelby-love?"
Lest anyone think this is silly or trivial. I worked at a medical school. A great kefuffel was raised once because a resident presumed to wear a professor-style white coat. And students wore short coats or woe betide them. The garment is not intrinsically important but the year of work it takes to earn the garment surely are.
I wore a borrowed hood (M.A.) the first time I marched in USM's commencement. The lender said, "Don't worry about it, nobody will notice." At the ceremony, three people said, "Oh, when were you at UCLA?" The next year I bought my own lovely red&white Western KY one.
Letting a student wear a doctoral gown was just wrong. I wonder how that happened?
quote: Originally posted by: Biz Doc "I know that in my discipline there are two doctoral distinctions: the Ph.D. and the DBA (Doctor of Business Administration). While some quality schools give the DBA (Harvard is one), most DBA-granting institutions are weak. This causes some level of aggravation when administrators fail to make a distinction between the two degrees in salaries, etc. Traditionally, the DBA is more of an applied degree with less emphasis on seminal research (or on research at all). Recipients of a DBA generally write two masters-quality theses in two related disciplines (say, statistics and economics) and have ample graduate hours to teach either at the undergraduate and masters levels. The DBA is generally a far cry from a Ph.D., though, as the requirements for a DBA pale in comparison to the rigors of a Ph.D.
I am not quite sure why we have to create degrees and designations to accommodate those who cannot stand up to the test of traditional programs."
In music the DMA is the doctoral degree for peformers. In the past, performers were only required to have an Master of Music, but that has changed in most universities (as opposed to conservatories.) In no way is it a lesser degree than the PhD. It is different because it is designed for a different discipline. I've always been amused by scholars who think performing is "nothing," yet they get nervous when they give a paper. On the DMA degree, the candidate (in addition to the classwork) generally gives between 3 to 6 recitals, takes comprehensive exams, and writes a dissertation. At USM it is called a document and it is not quite as rigorous as a dissertation, but that is not the case at many other universities.
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PRP, my wrong hood was for the wrong school, but I was entitled to the rank. And it did make me very uncomfortable, so much so that I spent a lot of $$ for the right one, which I haven't worn but once since.
I was at graduation and talked to Johnathan Krebs, he had a regular student cap and gown... not any special doctoral robe. I think watcher needs glasses if he or she plans to keep their name....
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quote: Originally posted by: My Stars "I was at graduation and talked to Johnathan Krebs, he had a regular student cap and gown... not any special doctoral robe. I think watcher needs glasses if he or she plans to keep their name...."
At the afternoon graduation, Krebs wore a doctoral gown. The colleague sitting next to me pointed it out as he (Krebs) stood next to Shelby, waiting to walk the center aisle on their way to the rostrum. My eyesight's 20/20, forward, backward, and sideways, and I definitely saw the doctoral gown at the 2:30 graduation.
quote: Originally posted by: Watcher " At the afternoon graduation, Krebs wore a doctoral gown. The colleague sitting next to me pointed it out as he (Krebs) stood next to Shelby, waiting to walk the center aisle on their way to the rostrum. My eyesight's 20/20, forward, backward, and sideways, and I definitely saw the doctoral gown at the 2:30 graduation. "
I Suspect when Jonathan wore the doctoral garb, he had simply borrowed from his father?
Probably saving a $, but still in poor taste.
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quote: Originally posted by: near sighted " I Suspect when Jonathan wore the doctoral garb, he had simply borrowed from his father? Probably saving a $, but still in poor taste."
Which is just part of a larger travesty that is USM graduation. The administration should provide appropriate regalia for all platform participants if they do not own the appropriate garb. However, this would require more than two minutes of forethought.
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