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Out of the loop

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There's been a lot of talk on the board about CoB and about Doty. What is the situation with the rest of the deans? Gandy--whose wife was given a job by Hudson without anyone consulting the art faculty? Is he a good guy? What about the heath dean? Is Willie being managed by Dana? And Pood? He has been the laughing stock of the community. Is he faring any better with the faculty? Sounds like a post from inquiring minds. Also, what about others in the administration? Tim Ryan? Is he actually raising any money?

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Bench Boy

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One of them did slide into first on at least two important occasions. Maybe the others were in the dugout "working behind the scenes."



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Spit Ball

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Originally posted by: Bench Boy

"One of them did slide into first on at least two important occasions. Maybe the others were in the dugout "working behind the scenes." "

When Dean Doty safely slid into first, that put CoB ahead by two. What about COAL? Is their leader still under the desk inside the ticket office?

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Angeline

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"When Dean Doty safely slid into first, that put CoB ahead by two. What about COAL? Is their leader still under the desk inside the ticket office?"

Yep - still telling everyone what they want to hear and then backtracking.

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EyesWideOpen

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Dana is most definitely managing Willie. We're all watching it happen. Maybe Willie is close to retirement, maybe her Shelbyesque techniques of posturing don't bother him, but he ought to thank thie MB along with a few other people that she was stopped from becoming the Dean of the CoEP. She needs to be removed though - ASAP.

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Pecking order

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"Dana is most definitely managing Willie. "

I can't imagine Psy letting anybody in Edu manage them.

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EyesWideOpen

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We couldn't either until the plan unfolded, and SFT took over.  Think about it, the PSY department is awesome, but they have virtually been silenced. Why? We're talking about some stellar individuals . .  . know why? Because Dana has more power than any of them, and everyone knows that. She has caused more than one lawsuit over nepotism, and the suits aren't finished. There's lots of bitterness over in PSY, but they try to keep working hard and remain staying out of her way.

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NCATE anyone?

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Shelby's right-hand henchwoman recently came to the aid of his daughter...last straw for some good people in CoEP who might have previously thought she was competent...



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pinch hitter

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"Shelby's right-hand henchwoman recently came to the aid of his daughter...last straw for some good people in CoEP who might have previously thought she was competent..."

Exline or Moore?

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psych-otic

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Originally posted by: EyesWideOpen

"Dana is most definitely managing Willie. We're all watching it happen. Maybe Willie is close to retirement, maybe her Shelbyesque techniques of posturing don't bother him, but he ought to thank thie MB along with a few other people that she was stopped from becoming the Dean of the CoEP. She needs to be removed though - ASAP."

Insiders have it that CoEP associate dean Mitch Berman has moved decisively to stop the madness -- i.e. DT's havoc-wreaking ways.  Consequently, DT is in a lather, and Big Daddy is out for MB's scalp.  Keep a close eye on this one -- just might prove to be the "next stupid thing."

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Mona

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"Insiders have it that CoEP associate dean Mitch Berman has moved decisively to stop the madness -- i.e. DT's havoc-wreaking ways.  Consequently, DT is in a lather, and Big Daddy is out for MB's scalp.  Keep a close eye on this one -- just might prove to be the "next stupid thing." "

Do you know what steps have been made to stop it, or is this just heresay?

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Emma

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MB has an aim that's true. I believe everything that I've read.

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Puzzled

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"Dana is most definitely managing Willie. We're all watching it happen. "

Doesn't a dean have more authority than a chair? What's wrong over there?

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Magnolia

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"Doesn't a dean have more authority than a chair? What's wrong over there?"

N E P O T I S M

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Purvis Wisdom

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A chair that rocks the dean rocks the wurl'.



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NCATE anyone?

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The accreditation expert.....who isn't. 


 



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quiet

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"N E P O T I S M"

Nepotism is usually very subtle.

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Yep to Nep

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Does the faculty handbook or any other governing document speak to the issue of nepotism?

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stephen judd

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"Does the faculty handbook or any other governing document speak to the issue of nepotism? "


Yes -- at least the previous handbook cited neptism as being a a relationship (family or associate) that was in a direct line of authority. It is a pretty narrow reading -- and by the usual interpretations that have tended to jhappen here means that a chair is not in the direct line of authority from the Presdient. Personally, I think this needs to be changed to include some idea that neptisom occurs when someone (relative or associate) is put in any position of influence in which the personal relationship inhibits the functioning of the usual lines of management authority by too easily enabling the nepotist to subvert those lines . . .


 



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Artsy Letters

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And we (in our new college) all know instances where this happens.

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Puzzled

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Does SACS or NCATE care whether appropriate authority is vested with the dean? About nepotism?

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stephen judd

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" Yes -- at least the previous handbook cited neptism as being a a relationship (family or associate) that was in a direct line of authority. It is a pretty narrow reading -- and by the usual interpretations that have tended to jhappen here means that a chair is not in the direct line of authority from the Presdient. Personally, I think this needs to be changed to include some idea that neptisom occurs when someone (relative or associate) is put in any position of influence in which the personal relationship inhibits the functioning of the usual lines of management authority by too easily enabling the nepotist to subvert those lines . . .  "

fumble fingers tonight folks --- NEPOTISM (just so you know I can spell it).

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Office with Window

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The lines of authority don't seem to be very clear in CoEP.

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Negative Nellie

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"There's been a lot of talk on the board about CoB and about Doty. What is the situation with the rest of the deans? Gandy--whose wife was given a job by Hudson without anyone consulting the art faculty? Is he a good guy? "



Gandy is worthless as a dean - completely clueless about administration. He has little credibility with the faculty. I hear his own department (physics) thinks of him as a jerk. He mistreats the faculty and could care less about their welfare. I am willing to bet that he won't last long after shelby is gone. I also heard he was looking for a job elsewhere (can anyone else confirm?). I thought it would be fitting to call and give an unsolicited negative recommendation, but then realized if he didn't get the job we would be stuck with him. A real Hobson's choice - give him a taste of his own back-stabbing medicine and be stuck with him or wish him well and hope he moves elsewhere quickly.

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Count the COST

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Originally posted by: Negative Nellie

" Gandy is worthless as a dean - completely clueless about administration. He has little credibility with the faculty. I hear his own department (physics) thinks of him as a jerk. He mistreats the faculty and could care less about their welfare. I am willing to bet that he won't last long after shelby is gone. I also heard he was looking for a job elsewhere (can anyone else confirm?). I thought it would be fitting to call and give an unsolicited negative recommendation, but then realized if he didn't get the job we would be stuck with him. A real Hobson's choice - give him a taste of his own back-stabbing medicine and be stuck with him or wish him well and hope he moves elsewhere quickly."

As an example of how clueless Gandy is, the first thing he did when he came to COST was to bring in an Associate Dean from his own department, never considering that having two professors from one of the smallest departments (Physics) in the college would be a bad thing, not only that this would not be a good overall representation of the college.  His predecessors all had assistant or associate deans from different departments in COST.  Even though Physics was questioned by IHL for not coming up to their standards for "minimum graduates in the past five years," Gandy fought to keep the Physics M.S. program.  After all, he had to preserve his own "home department."

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G.R.

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"As an example of how clueless Gandy is, the first thing he did when he came to COST was to bring in an Associate Dean from his own department, never considering that having two professors from one of the smallest departments (Physics) in the college would be a bad thing, not only that this would not be a good overall representation of the college.  His predecessors all had assistant or associate deans from different departments in COST.  Even though Physics was questioned by IHL for not coming up to their standards for "minimum graduates in the past five years," Gandy fought to keep the Physics M.S. program.  After all, he had to preserve his own "home department.""

Who are you moral pygmies to question the competency and primacy of physicists.  Let me now launch into a diatribe of the history of the USM physics department and the research accomplishment of its physicists.  I heard about this thread through associates and I must say I am appalled at you moral pygmies.

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Numbers game

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"Physics was questioned by IHL for not coming up to their standards for "minimum graduates in the past five years"

This issue was extensively discussed previously on the board. I don't know anything about the physics department, but I do know that enrollment qua enrollment is not a legitimate basis for dropping it. My guess is that Latin has a small enrollment also, but it is an essential discipline at a comprehensive university (or even at a small liberal arts college for that matter). Other larger departments are expected to bring in sufficient enrollment to offset the losses incurred by important disciplines such as physics and Latin. It is a sum zero game. Each and every department should not be expected to be self supporting.

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Sticks and Stones

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Originally posted by: G.R.

"Who are you moral pygmies to question the competency and primacy of physicists.  Let me now launch into a diatribe of the history of the USM physics department and the research accomplishment of its physicists.  I heard about this thread through associates and I must say I am appalled at you moral pygmies."


Grayson, if this is really you, you said the same stuff back in March: See  Grayson's earlier comments (about halfway down the page).


We didn't appreciate being called moral pygmies then and we don't now. So knock it off.



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Sub Shop

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I know nothing of his work as a dean, but I have found Gandy to be engaging and personable on a social level.

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Voter

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"Who are you moral pygmies...yadayadayada...you moral pygmies."


While I agree with G.R. about the value of the physics program, what's with the rant about morality and pygmyntation? All Count was doing was questioning the political wisdom and CoST-effectiveness of the decisions.

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