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Date: May 22, 2005

Curious About the COB

Date: May 22, 2005

Wasn't there some word coming out about some more departures, espescially in finance I think? Does anyone have confirmation about the number leaving so far? Will this grow in the next month?

Date: May 22, 2005

No, the COB soap opera is now temporarily off the air. You'll have to go back to the old thread to watch the reruns. Won't make much difference to the viewer, all of this stuff is reruns anyway.

Word on resignations won't come until later in the summer. No one in their right mind resigns until all the i's are dotted and t's crossed elsewhere. All of us took B law with a section on contracts.

Date: May 22, 2005

Thames and Grimes have agreed to sign CoB faculty summer teaching contracts which pay full summer money for teaching two classes.

Date: May 23, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Outside Observer
"It's been several days and I haven't seen any posts about strife and difficulty in the COB. What's up?"

you been baited, nothing up over in COB. Almost nothing that has been reported about COB here has happened other than the Grimes fiasco

Date: May 23, 2005

duh, a very appropriate name apparently, knows not of what he/she speaks. SC is correct about the resolution of summer pay in the CoB. Pretty easy to verify. If any baiting is going on, duh is doing it.

Date: May 23, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: duh
"you been baited, nothing up over in COB. Almost nothing that has been reported about COB here has happened other than the Grimes fiasco"

No baiting going on from this end...was just curious since things seemed to get so quiet all of a sudden.

Date: May 23, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Outside Observer
"No baiting going on from this end...was just curious since things seemed to get so quiet all of a sudden."

that's the way it is in the CoB, periods of intense apathy punctuated with moments of high excitement

Date: May 23, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Scalded Cat
"Thames and Grimes have agreed to sign CoB faculty summer teaching contracts which pay full summer money for teaching two classes."

And the rest of the faculty have to teach three courses for full summer pay? Something smells fishy in Nitchampburg.....

Date: May 23, 2005

We don't get "full" summer pay (i.e. one-third of our salary) for teaching three summer courses in CoLA. It comes out to something like 1/5 of of one's salary. That's why I'll never teach summer school. Time is better spent on research and writing so that I can get a better position w/o the USM dysfunction and at a salary at which I might be able to reach the middle class.

Date: May 23, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Work for food in CoLA
"We don't get "full" summer pay (i.e. one-third of our salary) for teaching three summer courses in CoLA. It comes out to something like 1/5 of of one's salary. That's why I'll never teach summer school. Time is better spent on research and writing so that I can get a better position w/o the USM dysfunction and at a salary at which I might be able to reach the middle class."

CoB faculty don't get full summer pay either. For many of them, it comes out to something like 10% to 15% of their salary. They also teach larger sections in the summer than most other colleges. Until this university decides to join the rest of the universe and offer summer pay as a percentage of 9 month salary, I wouldn't be surprised if CoB faculty stop teaching in the summer altogether.

Bottom of the pyramid says something's fishy - What rational human would teach 3 full courses in the summer for 10-15% of their salary? There is nothing fishy at all - just common sense.

Date: May 23, 2005

Good news for all. Doty is working with Thames and Grimes to implement a new summer teaching pay scale that pays a percentage of one's 9-month salary for each course (each 1/3) taught in the summer. It may possibly be worked out by summer of 2006. I'm not sure Thames and Grimes knew it was done this way outside of USM/

Date: May 23, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: trapezius
"Good news for all. Doty is working with Thames and Grimes to implement a new summer teaching pay scale that pays a percentage of one's 9-month salary for each course (each 1/3) taught in the summer. It may possibly be worked out by summer of 2006. I'm not sure Thames and Grimes knew it was done this way outside of USM/"

I meant to point out that this new system would apply to all of USM/

Date: May 23, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: trapezius
"Good news for all. Doty is working with Thames and Grimes to implement a new summer teaching pay scale that pays a percentage of one's 9-month salary for each course (each 1/3) taught in the summer. It may possibly be worked out by summer of 2006. I'm not sure Thames and Grimes knew it was done this way outside of USM/"

This is nothing new, because Faculty Senate tried to change the summer school salary scales during both the Lucas and Fleming administrations. As it stands, in Horace's time the scales were increased to their current levels, although $11,500 for a full professor to teach three 3-unit courses is a lot less than 1/3 of an academic-year salary scale.

I think the complaint is that getting paid the "full summer salary" for only teaching two classes is unique to the COB, and other colleges have "large lecture" summer sections, which still count as "only one course" for the purposes of professorial salary.