She didn't perform any attackable actions except her public writings in the Printz. He did intercept her email and read it aloud at the G-S hearings, and it was not email to either of them. When a University president both intercepts and then publicly reads a student's personal email, that's about as low as it goes. I never understood why she or her parents didn't take some legal action.

No, I'm not going to attack you. You just obviously don't know the history of this incident. It's well-reported on the old FS board, as well as in the transcripts of the hearing itself. Private email on campus has been and may still be for all we know, monitored and intercepted. This is a fact. Miss Quinlivan's private email was intercepted and read publicly. She did not do anything secretive or underhanded whatsoever. It is also a fact that no one I know at USM uses campus email for personal stuff -- I mean staff and faculty, of course. Every faculty member I know has a private email address. Most also use their cell phones.

that's not true, i know many who use the campus email for personal correspondence.  i do.  i have nothing to fear.  its not mine and i dont have anything to say that cant be read. 

that's not the issue here . . . im getting off base.  the issue is journalistic integrity.  the printz doesnt have it.  i agree fully with the previous post about the reason students want to write for the school paper - those are the wrong reasons.  self-expression should be left to the blogs.

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that's not true, i know many who use the campus email for personal correspondence.  i do.  i have nothing to fear.  its not mine and i dont have anything to say that cant be read. 

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Nick,

If you are a man of your word and an RBAM (red-blooded American male -- one of Shelby's favorite terms), you will now post your e-mail address and your password so that we can all access your account and begin reading all your personal correspondence.  We guarantee not to compose anything and send it out under your name.  We just want to be able to keep track of everything you are saying to anyone.  In other words, we want to be like Shelby.

Aw, come on, Nick -- we ALL want to read your mail!  Why should Shelby be the only one who has all the fun?  You have nothing to hide, right?  You don't mind letting people know not only what you are saying but what every single one of your correspondents is saying, right?  You wouldn't even mind it if we quoted your mail in an open court room so the media could report it, right?  Then why not just give us all your screen name and password?  What are you afraid of?

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USMSymp, you don't get it.  Im not afraid of anything.  Its a matter of authority, my supervisor has it, you dont.  Now, I dont know who you are, but if you are my supervisor go ahead and take a look.  Any organizations supervisors should have this ability. Now, can we get back to the yellow journalism issue?

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Let me get this straight: Shelby is Rachel Q's "supervisor"? Whatever you say, Nick . . . .

What else do you want to say about yellow journalism?  I'm listening.

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USM Sympathizer wrote: Nick wrote: USMSymp, you don't get it.  Im not afraid of anything.  Its a matter of authority, my supervisor has it, you dont.  Now, I dont know who you are, but if you are my supervisor go ahead and take a look.  Any organizations supervisors should have this ability. Now, can we get back to the yellow journalism issue? Let me get this straight: Shelby is Rachel Q's "supervisor"? Whatever you say, Nick . . . . What else do you want to say about yellow journalism?  I'm listening. Stop twisting this around.  The discussion began about how great the Printz is; I say it's not due to the lack of intergrity of their stories.  Someone said - hooray for Rachel, she's so brave. . .  which is crap.  She got called out for writing a story that is indicative of the Printz = one-sided, non-factual, dribble.  That rag is not worth fish wrap.

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Nick, you left a bunch of issues of The Varsity Voice over here.  Can I just throw them away, or do you want me to hang on to them?

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Nick wrote: USM Sympathizer wrote: Nick wrote: USMSymp, you don't get it.  Im not afraid of anything.  Its a matter of authority, my supervisor has it, you dont.  Now, I dont know who you are, but if you are my supervisor go ahead and take a look.  Any organizations supervisors should have this ability. Now, can we get back to the yellow journalism issue? Let me get this straight: Shelby is Rachel Q's "supervisor"? Whatever you say, Nick . . . . What else do you want to say about yellow journalism?  I'm listening. Stop twisting this around.  The discussion began about how great the Printz is; I say it's not due to the lack of intergrity of their stories.  Someone said - hooray for Rachel, she's so brave. . .  which is crap.  She got called out for writing a story that is indicative of the Printz = one-sided, non-factual, dribble.  That rag is not worth fish wrap. Nick, you left a bunch of issues of The Varsity Voice over here.  Can I just throw them away, or do you want me to hang on to them?

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excuse me? you're babbling, what is the varsity voice?

 

Andy, sure buddy, my case has nothing to do with the he said-she said thing.  The following story is a great example of their problem.  Please read, then tell me where the reporter spoke with the bookstore management or university department that supervises the bookstore management. 

Answer - they didn't.  The facts are not here.  Our bookstore has a highly sophisticated system to track books sold back to the store.  One that tracks by student id number.  In the case a book is stolen from someone and an attempt made to sell to our bookstore the perp must show their picture adorned student id.  The computer system tracks this data that can be compared to class rosters to determine if someone not in a class actually sold such book or multiple books.

But again, where are all the angles?

 

Students report book theft

By Noel Wilkinson
Executive Editor


Virginia Catt, a senior criminal justice major, was studying on the third floor of Cook Library when she took a five-minute break, leaving her textbook sitting on a table.

When she returned, the table was still there, but her $65 textbook was not.

Lt. Ronnie Dickinson, UPD investigator, said while reported textbook thefts are rare at USM, the UPD officers treat them just like any other on campus theft.

“On a scale from one to ten, [textbook theft] is probably a three,” he said. “We don’t get a lot of reports of book theft in comparison to other types of theft, but any theft is a problem.”

Dickinson said the first thing a student should do is report the stolen textbook immediately because it increases the chances of finding the thief and returning the textbook to its owner.

Dickinson said it is easier to track a stolen textbook if the thief sells it back to one of the bookstores near campus.

“We contact both bookstores to see if the particular book got sold back,” Dickinson said.

“The Book Mart across the street on Hardy requires an ID card, a name, a drivers license or a social security number when selling back a book, whereas the on-campus bookstore does not require that information.” he said. “It’s easier to track a book if it is sold back to a store. If [a textbook] is stolen, but not sold, it is virtually impossible to locate the book.”
Jimmy Renfroe, a manager at Campus Book Mart, said it is store policy to photocopy an ID (either college or drivers license) of anyone selling a book back to the store.

After reporting their textbook stolen to UPD, students should come by Campus Book Mart to describe any distinguishing markings the book, said Renfroe.

Dickinson said the best-case scenario is if the thief sells the book to Campus Book Mark, because UPD can then track the thief down.

“If the book was taken to the book mart across the street we can get the social security number and ID of the person who sold the book back.” he said. “Once we get that, it is pretty easy to track the person down.”

Catt said she went to both the on campus textbook center and Campus Book Mart to see if her book had been sold back.

“The bookstore on campus does not log any information of the person selling books back to them,” she said. “The only way I was able to know the book was turned in was because of Campus Book Mart.

“The lady there physically asks to see their ID and writes down their social security number and their name,” Catt said.

Students can expect their book returned once charges have been filled and the case has gone to court, said Dickinson. If no charges are filled, or there is no court case, the student will have to return the book to UPD upon completion of the class for evidence purposes.

Catt said USM needs warn students this type of theft is occurring on campus.

“Just making students aware that we do have a huge problem with textbook theft will help,” she said. “I was sitting in the library yesterday and there was someone who left their purse, wallet, billfold [and] laptop. It was all in the study room, left there.
“I would not have been able to have traced the book back to anyone if they had cashed it in on campus. Something needs to be done at the campus bookstore – they need to do a better job.”

It just burns me up to see people pile on admiration for something thats not true.  To call what the Printz does journalism is a farce.

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Nick, The Varsity Voice is the rag the administration funded to help offer an alternative to the Printz.  USM, woefully short of funds, suddenly found $100K (if I remember correctly) to print a paper that would be more administration-friendly.  If I am remembering rightly, it was a project of Walt Cain and his SGA.  I can't remember: have you explained why the Printz won so many awards if you think it is so awful?

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thank you for the explanation.  I can honestly say I've never read it. 

Did they use university funds or appropriated SGA funds?

As for the awards, again I can only assume that the criteria has little basis in integrity.  And, that wouldn't surprise me.  It has been said that these student have little education or experience yet.  That's not what bothers me.  It that good people get burned without facts or an opposing word and others pat the writers on the back.

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If Nick is trying to show that student journalists are not as thorough as professional journalists, I doubt that anyone is going to disagree with him. If he is trying to show that the Student Printz is a uniquely bad student newspaper, I doubt that he has a very strong case. If he is trying to show that the Printz's coverage of Shelby Thames (who is, after all, what this board is all about) has been particularly biased, he has not made his case. Notice, by the way, that Nick does not answer the simple question that has now been posed on this thread several times: if the Printz is such an awful paper, why has it recently won top journalism awards given by outside, off-campus judges?  Nick, we're waiting for your response. In the meantime, here's some background on the Quinlivan case for those of us with rusty memories: http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040429/NEWS01/404290349/1002  

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D*mnit man, this has nothing to do with SFT!

Quit trying to go there, this is about the Printz (and really the group 'Students against the Printz).  I want to go back to why there is an opposition group.  Because some believe there needs to be.  geesh.

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Nick wrote:  I can honestly say I've never read it.  Did they use university funds or appropriated SGA funds? As for the awards, again I can only assume that the criteria has little basis in integrity.  And, that wouldn't surprise me.  It has been said that these student have little education or experience yet.  That's not what bothers me.  It that good people get burned without facts or an opposing word and others pat the writers on the back. Nick, Sorry, you were posting the above message while I was posting my last one, so my post did not respond to yours.  Sorry for the crossing; didn't mean to seem to ignore your reply. I agree with you that student newspapers (in fact, all media) should try to get their facts straight.  When they don't, there are usually opportunities for rebuttal or reply; did the bookstore exercise this option? As I recall, special money was coughed up for the Varsity Voice -- money that hadn't previously in the budget.  Another example of Shelby taking care of his own.  

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In the bookstore situation they tried, but another article was written blasting them for not better communication of the system or something. 

There are other instances; too many to go through.  But they arent held to the standard that we want to hold the administration when it comes to honesty.

 

Nick,

Most student newspaper leave much to be desired; I would not be surprised if this were also true of the Printz, which I do not read regularly.  It's often possible to improve a student newspaper by joining the staff and writing articles oneself.  When any news outlet makes an error, it is ethically bound to correct that error and apologize for it.

My goal here is not to defend everything the Student Printz has ever published.  My goal is simply to say that in its coverage of Shelby Thames it has shown some real courage, especially during the 2004-05 academic year.  If you look back over the history of this thread, you will see that the Student Printz initially came up when someone praised its coverage of the Thames fiasco, especially given all the pressure it faced from Shelby and his cohorts.

Sorry to be so fixated on Shelby, but he is the only reason this board exists.  When he is gone and USM is back on track, most of us will happily return to our regular lives.  There was no need for this board before Shelby became president, and I hope there won't be much need for it after he is gone (although I have to admit that I will very much miss the friends I have made here, and I will even miss discussions such as the one you and I have been having).