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Originally posted by: Swift Justice
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Do all members of the pro-Shelby contingent take a course in faulty logic?  Your premise is that the prof in question is not doing his job.   Your proof is that he is frequently seen golfing during the day.  As your underlying foundation is false, the arguments you build from it are irrelevant.

 

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Originally posted by: First Fallacy
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Do all members of the pro-Shelby contingent take a course in faulty logic?  Your premise is that the prof in question is not doing his job.   Your proof is that he is frequently seen golfing during the day.  As your underlying foundation is false, the arguments you build from it are irrelevant.
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It is you who are assuming or do not want to see. Saying there are some faculty members who are not doing their jobs does not mean that someone is pro-Thames or anti-Thames. It simply states either fact or opinion.

Faculty are evaluated in three areas. If teaching is talking golf primarily, then that category should have a low score. Service is minimal, research is less than that. How would you score any faculty member with such factors? I could not care less if he plays golf. He can play all day, every day. My point is when he is supposed to be in the classroom teaching accounting, but he chooses to waste time about golf, that is a problem. If you do not see that, I believe you have the logic problem.

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Originally posted by: LeavingASAP
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This is very interesting, Swift Justice.  You must be a very powerful person at USM.  You just made an assertion, without evidence, that could only be made by someone with access to the evaluations of the chair, director and dean of CoB.  Do you have that information or are you just blowing off steam based in ignorance and person opinion?  Please let us know so that we can evaluate you post to this board.  Everyone has opinions, but they are not all equal."

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You assume without evidence. Your mistake. Your bias. How many students - students you know or have taught in other classes throughout the CoB - does it take saying the same thing to make you a believer? On this point, why would students lie? They need to learn the material in that course for future courses in their discipline, and are frustrated that the person paid to teach them does not do so. It takes no "power" to see reality, unless you choose not to do so.

Playing golf does not make anyone anything but a golfer. Again, he can play all day.
Publications tend to be known over time, and service - at least committee assignments - are known. Is that not insight into whether or not a faculty member is performing okay or not? Further, assuming these statements are true for now, wouldn't a supervisor knowing these things but doing nothing about them be avoiding his or her job?

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Originally posted by: Swift Justice
"students . . .They need to learn the material in that course for future courses in their discipline . . . Playing golf does not make anyone anything but a golfer."

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I repeat: The best measure of teaching is learning. For many years the accounting graduates of USM have had the highest pass rate and scores on the CPA exam of any Mississippi school. If the outcome is good, the hours or hobbies of the faculty are not an issue. If the pass rate begins to fall (as with Nursing), then the spotlight needs to focus on the dean, chair, and faculty as well as administration policies that affect their program.
 

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Originally posted by: Swift Justice
" assuming these statements are true for now, wouldn't a supervisor knowing these things but doing nothing about them be avoiding his or her job? "

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Ding, ding, ding...there you go!  That's the assumption several of us have been unwilling to make at this juncture.  Without that assumption, the rest of your argument is moot.

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Originally posted by: Legal Advisor
"I think the board should be really careful about impugning a faculty member's good name without cause. "Accounting Student" may or may not be a student. "

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First of all, I haven't noticed that the faculty member's name (good or otherwise) has been mentioned.  However, everyone seems to know exactly who it is.  Maybe that speaks to the veracity of the claims.  What I have seen on this board is that if you don't like someone, every accusation no matter how outrageous, has to be true. 

By the way, how do any of us know that others on the bard are who they pretend to be? 

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Originally posted by: Proud Former Faculty
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First of all, I haven't noticed that the faculty member's name (good or otherwise) has been mentioned.  However, everyone seems to know exactly who it is.  Maybe that speaks to the veracity of the claims.  What I have seen on this board is that if you don't like someone, every accusation no matter how outrageous, has to be true. 
By the way, how do any of us know that others on the bard are who they pretend to be?  "

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Check out caddy's post on page 3.

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Originally posted by: JoJo
"The problem is that you have an Accounting PROF making over $100,000 playing golf at noon every day at the Country Club"

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I have spent many of my noon hours engaging in my hobby (which is not golf). What's it to you, JoJo. It's really none of your **** business.

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Originally posted by: Accounting Student
"See what I mean.  Students don't count.  I was in the class.  Ask anyone who was in the class, they will tell you the same thing.  He taught golf.  He didn't teach accounting.  I went to one of the professors who does care and he spent his time teaching a bunch of us.  That's the only way we learned anything."

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Then, Accounting Student, the prof should have received very low teaching evaluations in at least one class if this perception of yours reflects the majority of the class.  Have you seen his teaching evaluations?  Could he have gotten high evaluations in other classes?  Maybe he does outstanding research and service.

All I'm saying is you can’t properly evaluate the situation.  Trying to do so without the facts is a waste of time.  This is why the general public get so confused about academia.   But go ahead and have fun.  We will be here to rebut ignorant comments.

 

 

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Originally posted by: G.I. Haircut
"I once got a haircut during Noon. I hope JoJo didn't see me in the barber shop."

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At about 3:15 this afternoon I saw USM's athletic director turning into Canebrake subdivision.

A-Did Mr G have a golfing date at Canebrake Golf Club

B-Does Mr G live at Canebrake subdivision

C-If "A" does that make him a lazy AD

D-All of the above

JoJo could you please help me with these questions?

As someone reminded JJ last night, school is out. I assume the AD gets the same slack time during breaks that everyone else does?

Does the AD work by the hour or by the job? In other words, is he a CONTRACT employee?

I'm no big fan of this guy's, but sauce for the goose, etc. The same principle applies.

JJ, we're still waiting to hear one reasonable, intelligent or useful remark from you. Just one. Until you come up with it, please be quiet.

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Originally posted by: outlook
" At about 3:15 this afternoon I saw USM's athletic director turning into Canebrake subdivision. A-Did Mr G have a golfing date at Canebrake Golf Club B-Does Mr G live at Canebrake subdivision C-If "A" does that make him a lazy AD D-All of the above JoJo could you please help me with these questions?"

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I did see Gianny at 3:15 turning into Canebrake....I was just funning on the questions.

Does this guy have the right to go home, play golf, etc.....darn right he does, just as accounting professors, english instructors or polymer scientist IF they are salaried employees and are meeting the other requirements of their job.

Cool down and enjoy Shelby's last days

Anyone thought of getting a pool going on Shelby's last "official" day on the job?

If I should win the pool the prize goes to the G&S Scholarship!!

Outlook, I realized it was a joke, but too good a chance to make the point. Thanks.