You will not find any 50 or more win seasons at USM.  That's not the big thing.  What's amazing is the scant number of more-than-40-win seasons over there.  I suspect it's only around 5 or 6, including the past 2 years.  I say "only" because USM acts like it's Baseball U.

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Originally posted by: Oak Grove Rebel
"You will not find any 50 or more win seasons at USM.  That's not the big thing.  What's amazing is the scant number of more-than-40-win seasons over there.  I suspect it's only around 5 or 6, including the past 2 years.  I say "only" because USM acts like it's Baseball U."

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Need I remind everyone that the Lady Eagles softball team was winning 50+ (maybe even 60+) games in 1999-2001 period, but we through it all away (now they are like 28-30 overall).

It's amazing to me that Pete Taylor will probably have luxury boxes up and running before MM Roberts does.  Baseball gets everything and they can't even get out of the regionals, even when they host (lost to SUBR).

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Originally posted by: Symbiosis
"You can talk about sports all you want to, but whether its football, basketball, baseball, wrestling, horsehoes, bowling, billiards, checkers, or monopoly, a university's existance and survival is totally independent of any of them. A university's athletic program, on the other hand, is totally dependent on the existance and survival of the university. "

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Last year I attended graduation ceremonies at a Tier I University.  There were many students who had won national and international academic awards.  The president of this university is known for his academic achievements.  No indvidual awards were presented during the ceremonny.When a graduating "star" student athlete made his way across the stage the university president gave him a "high five" to a roaring ovation by the audience.(friends and family of the other graduates?/!)

The simple fact of the matter is athletics is above academics in most colleges and universities.

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Originally posted by: 3 point land
" Interesting that USM had more people in the seats(you determine the counting method) than MSU (at home vs Ala) or Ole Miss (away vs Auburn)"

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Originally posted by: Prof who supports sports
"Fifty years ago, those of you who say the academy is greater than athletics would have been correct. Today, however, you simply appear fifty years behind the times."

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You'll find that more colleges have dropped football than have adopted football. It has become painfully evident to some colleges that professional athletics on college campuses can bring more problems than they are worth.

Division I colleges that no longer play football

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Originally posted by: Prof who supports academics first & sports second
"A school that can't survive without intercollegiate sports probably has no legitimate reason to survive. Take football for instance. Dozens of colleges have dropped their intercollegiate football program. The most recent I know about is East Tennessee State University which dropped football in 2003. If you've never heard of them, maybe you know the University of the Pacific which dropped football in 1995. Even if you've never heard of the University of the Pacific, you have surely heard of their most famous football coach and one of the best known coaches in the history of the game, Dana X. Bible. Other schools who dropped football are Mercer University, Birmigham-Southern University, Boston University, George Washington University, University of Vermont, Stetson University, Saint Louis University, Pepperdine University, Providence University, St. Josephs University, Old Dominion University, Marquette University, Loyola of Chicago. I could go on and on. Dozens of them. All of them survived. Their names are common household words among prospective students who go to college for all the reasons one is supposed to go to college.  "

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Originally posted by: Prof who supports academics first & sports second
" Prof who supports sports, A school that can't survive without intercollegiate sports probably has no legitimate reason to survive. Take football for instance. Dozens of colleges have dropped their intercollegiate football program. The most recent I know about is East Tennessee State University which dropped football in 2003. If you've never heard of them, maybe you know the University of the Pacific which dropped football in 1995. Even if you've never heard of the University of the Pacific, you have surely heard of their most famous football coach and one of the best known coaches in the history of the game, Dana X. Bible. Other schools who dropped football are Mercer University, Birmigham-Southern University, Boston University, George Washington University, University of Vermont, Stetson University, Saint Louis University, Pepperdine University, Providence University, St. Josephs University, Old Dominion University, Marquette University, Loyola of Chicago. I could go on and on. Dozens of them. All of them survived. Their names are common household words among prospective students who go to college for all the reasons one is supposed to go to college.  "

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Originally posted by: Prof who supports academics first & sports second
" University of the Pacific ..... Dana X. Bible. "

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Originally posted by: Prof who supports sports
" Mercer, Birmingham-Southern College, Boston U, Stetson, St. Louis, Pepperdine, Providence College, St. Joseph's, Marquette, and Loyola-Chicago are all private schools. U of Vermont is quasi-public (mostly private). They have a different mission than USM (or any public institution) does.

I hope you are not suggesting that a university's "mission" or "public status" should determine whether or not it should field a football. team. Tulane, Stanford, Harvard, and Vanderbilt probably wouldn't be very happy about that.

Name the top USN&WR public universities: 1. Cal-Berkeley 2. Michigan 3. UVA and all three have football. "

I can picture this in a USM publication: "We, along with the University of California at Berkeley, the University of  Michigan, and the University of Virginia, field a football team." If I'm not mistaken, USM used a similar line regarding the USNews rankings.

I listed some of the many very good schools who dropped football in order to support my previous assertion that a school can survive very well without its students tossing the old pigskin around.

 

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by: Prof who supports sports
"i know you. You're the middle-aged guy who's pissed off that he never could play football past high school and have adopted the "I'm too cool for football" attitude. Bet you have your kids going to private school and will encourage them to do something like walk-on the swim team at a small, private liberal college instead of going to a state school with parties, beer, and, of course, football. "

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Originally posted by: Prof who supports sports
"i know you. You're the middle-aged guy who's pissed off that he never could play football past high school and have adopted the "I'm too cool for football" attitude. Bet you have your kids going to private school and will encourage them to do something like walk-on the swim team at a small, private liberal college instead of going to a state school with parties, beer, and, of course, football. "

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