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Date: May 9, 2005

RE: RE: mushroom cloud over Greene Hall

Date: May 9, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: eagle gone
"Did Doty ever get his paper accepted in Babin's journal? I think the acceptance was being strung out in quid pro quo fashion. I hear the college counts that journal as an A. Now you're saying that Babin is about to be made chair of marketing? It all makes sense. "

Didn't know about the paper at Babin's journal. Also didn't know Babin was zeroing in on the chair job. CoB faculty did get an e-mail from Doty today indicating that Babin won the college research award.

Date: May 9, 2005

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Originally posted by: Curious reader
"How many losses in finance do you anticipate?"

Charles Cartee will retire after next year I hear; another loss. It's not likely a search for his positon, even if undertaken, will be successful. I doubt seriously one will even begin. At that point, finance will be in the running with history and english and others for biggest losses. If anyone else departs, pack it in.

Date: May 9, 2005

With the loss of Charles Cartee, there goes the real estate program. This follows on the heels of the loss of Alex Hamwi and the insurance program. Some in finance have 9 hour, 3 prep loads with an IVN to Mongolia on top of that. An older economics faculty gets hit with a night class followed by an 8 am every semester. How thoughtful and considerate.

Date: May 9, 2005

What's about to die is the MBA program. My cousin says that the quality of the applicants is way down, and that recent graduates are turning prospective students away from it. Some are turning to William Carey, but most are leaving for other areas.

Date: May 9, 2005

I heard that another prof (besides Clark or Eisenberg) in finance has an offer on the table right now.

Date: May 9, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: stuck pig
"Charles Cartee will retire after next year I hear; another loss. It's not likely a search for his positon, even if undertaken, will be successful. I doubt seriously one will even begin. At that point, finance will be in the running with history and english and others for biggest losses. If anyone else departs, pack it in."

From what I've heard a replacement for Dr. Cartee isn't likely. Finance will be only for the likes of Suze Orman and Dave Ramsey wannabes.

Date: May 9, 2005

As always interested to see that the business college is continues to play games with the faculty positions and degrees. Not unexpected that Doty does not understand Finance, understanding that he does not like Economics, and he will play up Management and Marketing (his native discipline department at USM). He has done the same to other areas: Accounting continues its download fall to the bottom, MIS - don't even think he cares about this degree. Can you find it at the CoB web site? Heck no! Tourism Mgt and Fashion Mdse? Sure, why, because he is playing the Sheby game to make himself look good at any cost.

Once upon a time the Finance degree was truly a degree that all wanted, but few could achieve. The same for other areas such as MIS. But as administrators play games with degree programs these progams become the same as English, Math, Nursing at USM - pieces on the game board that are used to promote an administrator's personal agenda.

The college can't understand why alumni do not wish to support the college. Sad times for USM.

Date: May 9, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: knowledgeable CoB student
"I heard that another prof (besides Clark or Eisenberg) in finance has an offer on the table right now."

That would be Salter. I also heard that.

Date: May 10, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: BizEd
"Didn't know about the paper at Babin's journal. Also didn't know Babin was zeroing in on the chair job. CoB faculty did get an e-mail from Doty today indicating that Babin won the college research award."

Oh yeah, what was the deal with that. That award is always given at the annual awards dinner but this year it was not. Now we hear Babin won it.

Date: May 10, 2005

We have found the long-suspected pocket of Thames support on campus. They are huddled together in the COB attacking each other and plotting ways to ensure Shelby gets four more. At their current rate of progress, they may be helping Shelby more than all his external champions combined.

Date: May 10, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: whoa
"What's about to die is the MBA program. My cousin says that the quality of the applicants is way down, and that recent graduates are turning prospective students away from it. Some are turning to William Carey, but most are leaving for other areas."

The MBA program has been on a downward slide since a decision was made to give priority to students whose GMAT scores were higher. I know several students who didnt score high on the GMAT but who have really high GPAs who were denied admission -- I know a young woman who was denied entrance to USM's MBA and then went to W. Carey. She had a 4.0 GPA at USM but couldn't make the magic GMAT score whatever that is. What is th big deal with GMAT scores? A prof told me that its because it's a ranking factor for USN&WR, Business Week and others.

Also there is no incentive offered to profs who teach MBAs. MBA profs have the same load as everyone else, in fact they often have to drive to the Coast, Stennis, or somewhere else to teach. Teaching MBAs involves multiple courses taught at multiple campuses and also teaching undergrads. My current professor teaches two different undergraduate courses plus a graduate course that is sent by video feed to three other campuses. Thats stupid.

I feel ripped off by USM because they wont get enough profs to run the MBA correctly. Now im paying the price for it.

Date: May 10, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: RfT (Rumormongers for Thames)
"We have found the long-suspected pocket of Thames support on campus. They are huddled together in the COB attacking each other and plotting ways to ensure Shelby gets four more. At their current rate of progress, they may be helping Shelby more than all his external champions combined."

Thanks for the morning FUD. The CoB discussions are often (usually) way to specific to have Thames' hand in them (via JoJo or others). CoB has some serious problems, irrespective of whose in the dome./

Date: May 10, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: MBAmbassador
" . She had a 4.0 GPA at USM but couldn't make the magic GMAT score whatever that is. What is th big deal with GMAT scores?

Can you say "grade inflation?"

Date: May 10, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Outside Observer
"Can you say "grade inflation?""

Actually, she's a CPA now (passed on the first try -- very hard to do).

Date: May 10, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Outside Observer
"Can you say "grade inflation?""

The CoB is the only college that held the line against grade inflation in the past (see the infamous USM report on grade inflation). My guess is that it is the only college that continues to grade in a reasonable manner. Your argument is hollow without supporting facts to show grade inflation. More likely, she is the casualty of an administration hell-bent on rising in the "rankings."

Date: May 10, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Biz Doc
" The CoB is the only college that held the line against grade inflation in the past (see the infamous USM report on grade inflation). My guess is that it is the only college that continues to grade in a reasonable manner. Your argument is hollow without supporting facts to show grade inflation. More likely, she is the casualty of an administration hell-bent on rising in the "rankings.""

For quite some time Frank Glamser et. al. served as our "resident monitors" of grade inflation. He et. al. had at their fingertips the grade distributions of the various units at the university. At that time, as I recall, CoB was one of the toughest (if not the toughest) grader. Who is looking at grade inflation at the present time?

Date: May 10, 2005

my point its that it's MUCH easier to achieve a 4.0 gpa, than to score highly on the gmat (itself, a watered down version of it's former self). similar to comparing a 4.0 at usm vs. a 4.0 at Ga Tech

Date: May 10, 2005

The CoB is generally a civil place (as a poster recently pointed out). People are doing their level best to hang on. The leaders just need to settle down a bit and help others weather the storm. Stop promoting controversial changes etc. right now while the war wages on.

Date: May 10, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Outside Observer
"my point its that it's MUCH easier to achieve a 4.0 gpa, than to score highly on the gmat (itself, a watered down version of it's former self). similar to comparing a 4.0 at usm vs. a 4.0 at Ga Tech"

I am the perfect example of a disconnect between grades and test scores. I've always had stratospheric test scores; in my high school class I was the only Merit Finalist, the only winner of a major out of region scholarship, etc. but was only 22nd in a class of 425. Not shabby, but not what you'd expect. Same held true in college and grad school. I like to say that test scores don't measure your willingness to go to the library on Friday night, or to turn off the TV. Or in my case, to read what you're supposed to instead of what you want to.

Date: May 10, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Outside Observer
"my point its that it's MUCH easier to achieve a 4.0 gpa, than to score highly on the gmat (itself, a watered down version of it's former self). similar to comparing a 4.0 at usm vs. a 4.0 at Ga Tech"

Any idea of the number of 4.0 students graduating this week? Of the total number for the university, how many from CoB?

That will tell the story. If you have 100 4.0 graduates from a class of 1500 things maybe a little shaky in grading area, but if you only have ten 4.0 graduates that is a totally different story.

Date: May 10, 2005

Both good points (above 2 posts)...performance = ability X motivation X resources/obstacles.

tests aren't a perfect predictor...but there are problems with gpa as a measure also.

Date: May 10, 2005

The college can't understand why alumni do not wish to support the college. Sad times for USM.

Interested alum,

The faculty understand the nonsupport. Virtually none of us drones doing the teaching hold it against that group. Many of us are older and remember all of the former "good kids" that are now alums.

Date: May 10, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Interested Alum
"As always interested to see that the business college is continues to play games with the faculty positions and degrees. Not unexpected that Doty does not understand Finance, understanding that he does not like Economics, and he will play up Management and Marketing (his native discipline department at USM). He has done the same to other areas: Accounting continues its download fall to the bottom, MIS - don't even think he cares about this degree. Can you find it at the CoB web site? Heck no! Tourism Mgt and Fashion Mdse? Sure, why, because he is playing the Sheby game to make himself look good at any cost.
Once upon a time the Finance degree was truly a degree that all wanted, but few could achieve. The same for other areas such as MIS. But as administrators play games with degree programs these progams become the same as English, Math, Nursing at USM - pieces on the game board that are used to promote an administrator's personal agenda.
The college can't understand why alumni do not wish to support the college. Sad times for USM.

"

How many of you all are out there? Why don't we hear more from you? why don't "they" (the administration, the alumni association, the IHL) hear more from you? Are you only unhappy with the current dean? But he is SFT's man.

Date: May 10, 2005

Sort of back on topic RE: the Mushroom Cloud. One reason there is so much hostility in the college is that there is a definite power shift that has been affected by having Doty as dean. He has played favorites with the management area (his discipline), hiring more management profs than any other discipline and growing the management area to its largest size ever. Another case in point was that I spoke with an assistant prof in the CoB who was appealing his annual evaluation. I got the college committee assignment list from him and did some counting: there are at least 3 profs in management or marketing who do not have a single college committee assignment. The lion's share of the remainder of the faculty have 1 committee assignment. Profs in other disciplines within CoB have two college committee assignments as the norm.

Date: May 10, 2005

To imply that management faculty do no service would be incorrect. A management person is the chair of the curriculum committee and a management person is going to be the chair of the assessment committee next year.

Date: May 10, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: 0015 3/4
"To imply that management faculty do no service would be incorrect. A management person is the chair of the curriculum committee and a management person is going to be the chair of the assessment committee next year. "

Nobody said management faculty do no service. I too have noticed that management faculty have less service per capita than other departments.

Date: May 10, 2005

Actually the COB has hired more economists than any other discipline.

Date: May 10, 2005

One could also make the argument that you should not confuse quantity of membership with actual service rendered. I know numerous faculty in the CoB in finance, accounting, economics, MIS, management, etc. who are 'members' of committees but would not know what a genuine contribution was if it jumped up and bit them in the ass.

Date: May 10, 2005

As I recall, last year the College Advisory Committe and both program committees were chaired by management professors. I know that some of the markteting professors also served in important roles -- didn't a marketing guy chair the reserach committee and the academic integrity committee? I don't mind Doty bashing, but at least get the facts right.