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College/University Destinations of USM Departures


Alcorn State University


American University


Armstrong Atlantic State University


Bates College


Baylor University


Boise State University


California State University, Bakersfield


Central Missouri State University


Cornell University


East Carolina University


Eastern Kentucky University


Elon College


Gardner-Webb University


George Mason University


Georgia Institute of Technology


Georgia State University


Indiana University at South Bend


Jackson State University


LaGrange College


Louisiana State University


Louisiana State University, Shreveport


Mercer University


Mississippi State University


Mississippi University for Women


Mountain State University


Northern Kentucky University


Northern Michigan University


Northwestern University


The Ohio State University


Roger Williams University


Sam Houston State University


State University of New York


State University of New York, Cortland


State University of West Georgia


Texas A&M University


Texas Tech University


Troy University


Tulane University


Tulane University College (MS)


University of Alabama


University of Alaska


University of Arkansas, Ft. Smith


University of Arkansas, Little Rock


University of Central Arkansas


University of Central Florida


University of Florida


University of Georgia


University of Houston, Victoria


University of Iowa


University of Maine


University of Memphis


University of Minnesota


University of Mississippi


University of New Orleans


University of North Carolina, Greensboro


University of Oklahoma


University of South Alabama


University of South Carolina


University of South Carolina, Hilton Head


University of South Dakota


University of Tennessee


University of Tulsa


University of West Florida


Valdosta State University


Vanderbilt University


Virginia Commonwealth University


Virginia Military Institute


Washington State University


Western Carolina University


Western Kentucky Un


William Carey College


Winthrop University


Key: Tier I Schools; Tier II Schools; Tier III Schools (USNWR, 2005 edition)


Methodology: USNWR lists Tiers I & II together, about 120 schools. Top 60=Tier I and next 60=Tier II. Cut-off between top two tiers may not be precise here, but is close enough. Tier III list is separate.



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foot soldier

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On the basis of this list, it looks as if many people moved up to Tier 1 and Tier 2, and USM lost many wurl' class faculty members. I think it is also worth noting how many went to Tier 3 schools--what USM used to be ranked, and would be still if Shelboo's minions hadn't screwed up the paperwork. Basically this means that many people are not going to schools that are necessarily better than USM, they're simply going to similarly ranked schools to get away from USM.

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Robert Campbell

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When USM's academic reputation score fully reflects reactions to the Thames regime elsewhere, it will stay in Tier 4.  It may take some time after Thames is gone before USM reaches Tier 3 again.


Besides, a move from an institution on probation with SACS to one that isn't on probation is already a move up.


Robert Campbell



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just pointin' out

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Bates College is #22 on USNWR's list for Liberal Arts Colleges.

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Retiree

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A agree with Robert Campbell that just leaving USM is a step up. I wouldn't be looking down your noses at individuals who chose to go to universities or colleges (public or private) that aren't at the top of the ratings. Ever heard of quality of life? Many I know of are very happy in a lower tier school and could care less what the ranking is. Why? Because the administration practices shared governance and the university has not lost its humanity as USM has. On top of that, the faculty actually enjoy going to work and there is energy on campus. When was the last time we experienced that at the dying on the vine - USM? Some of this faculty also smile as they retired from USM, receive a salary at their new school, and receive a retirement check each month and the 13th month check in December. Pretty darn good situation if you ask me.

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Sucker punched

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Originally posted by: Retiree
"Ever heard of quality of life? "
That's what sold me on coming to a lower-tiered school in the first place...

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USM Sympathizer

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Thanks for this information; this list is extremely interesting.  I'll add this to the list of "must-read" pages.

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Anne Wallace

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Yes, I'm off to one of those Tier 3 schools (if I read the legend correctly), and am pretty thrilled to be going there. I was there Friday, talking with the Dean and Department, and attended an English faculty symposium where I heard two very fine papers by the most senior and newest members of the faculty. At 2 pm on a Friday afternoon at the end of term, almost 3/4 the department showed up to listen, ask excellent questions, share a glass of wine, and (in many cases) head back to their offices to finish work. Despite impending budget cuts, morale and energy are high; the faculty trust their administrative leaders (their trust being well-leavened with skepticism!); they look to the future with worries, often disagreeing about what's to be done, but maintaining their belief in the mutual good faith of the full university community. It was a rainy day, but to me the campus seemed full of light.

The difference was not in the Department--an English Department characterized by hard-working, appropriately ambitious, well-regarded scholars is no change for me--but in the context that enabled them all to get on with their work, to have joy in their everyday labors. What the Thames administration has never understood is that there are lots of universities and colleges that just go about their business, doing what they need and want to do, carrying on with their work and succeeding marvelously well, without pretension or bluster. These universities may be Tier 1 or Teir 3, but what matters to their faculty (the ones who have any sense, at least) is the everyday atmosphere of teaching and learning supported by a collegiality that extends all the way up into the Chancellor's Office. Sure, it's great to have the finest support, and there's no crime in aspiring to a truly national or international distinction. But you don't start there. You start with the everyday, and you do it well, and the distinction comes. (Well, an endowment doesn't hurt! but you know what I mean.)

USM was like that once. I hope and believe it will be again. In the meantime, come on up and visit me. We can go sit by the statue of Minerva and talk about the future.

NO QUARTER.
Anne Wallace



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Far away but not forgetting

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Anne,

Thanks for a beautiful post. You are a wise woman. UNC-G is a fortunate university.

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Minerva want to be (from Fire Shelby)

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You made me cry, Anne. We are all in the process of grieving for what seems like a death. Hopefully, there will be a resurrection. Best wishes to you. Best wishes to us all.

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foot soldier

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Mr. Wonderful, there must be something in Anne's post worth a prize. Take a look. Thanks!

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Mr. Wonderful

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Originally posted by: foot soldier
"Mr. Wonderful, there must be something in Anne's post worth a prize. Take a look. Thanks!"
Duly noted, foot soldier.

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Moving On Up

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Originally posted by: Anne Wallace
"Yes, I'm off to one of those Tier 3 schools (if I read the legend correctly), and am pretty thrilled to be going there. I was there Friday, talking with the Dean and Department, and attended an English faculty symposium where I heard two very fine papers by the most senior and newest members of the faculty. At 2 pm on a Friday afternoon at the end of term, almost 3/4 the department showed up to listen, ask excellent questions, share a glass of wine, and (in many cases) head back to their offices to finish work. Despite impending budget cuts, morale and energy are high; the faculty trust their administrative leaders (their trust being well-leavened with skepticism!); they look to the future with worries, often disagreeing about what's to be done, but maintaining their belief in the mutual good faith of the full university community. It was a rainy day, but to me the campus seemed full of light. The difference was not in the Department--an English Department characterized by hard-working, appropriately ambitious, well-regarded scholars is no change for me--but in the context that enabled them all to get on with their work, to have joy in their everyday labors. What the Thames administration has never understood is that there are lots of universities and colleges that just go about their business, doing what they need and want to do, carrying on with their work and succeeding marvelously well, without pretension or bluster. These universities may be Tier 1 or Teir 3, but what matters to their faculty (the ones who have any sense, at least) is the everyday atmosphere of teaching and learning supported by a collegiality that extends all the way up into the Chancellor's Office. Sure, it's great to have the finest support, and there's no crime in aspiring to a truly national or international distinction. But you don't start there. You start with the everyday, and you do it well, and the distinction comes. (Well, an endowment doesn't hurt! but you know what I mean.) USM was like that once. I hope and believe it will be again. In the meantime, come on up and visit me. We can go sit by the statue of Minerva and talk about the future. NO QUARTER. Anne Wallace "

Moving On Up to The Big Time!  Getting a Piece of the Pie.    Congratulations Anne!  I hope you attend your last (?) Faculty Senate meeting on Friday.  Will you be attending your last PUC meeting on May 10?  That should be great fun.  You could kiss Shelby good-by and mean it both ways.  



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Anne Wallace

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Moving On Up, I don't know about FacSen yet--dealing with various house repair people and don't have them scheduled yet. But I'll sure be there at 7 am Tuesday 5/10 for a final PUC meeting. Wouldn't miss it.

NO QUARTER.
Anne Wallace

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Third Witch

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You go, lady. Are we ever gonna miss you.

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Belated Party

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Originally posted by: Third Witch
"You go, lady. Are we ever gonna miss you."
Try to return for the big coming out party.

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