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Date: Apr 25, 2005

AAUP faculty statistics

Date: Apr 25, 2005

AND we have the lowest salaries in the state in our category, except for instructors!

USM UM MSU
Professor 74,800 83,200 79,300
Associate 57,800 65,100 62,300
Assistant 50,400 54,500 52,700
Instructor 38,400 32,700 35,800

Amy Young

Date: Apr 25, 2005

Amy,

588 is a bit of a drop from the 712 claimed in the USM Fact Book, isn't it? It's further evidence that administrators know how to count faculty reasonably well when "external forces" are pressing for accuracy in reporting.

As for USM offering higher average salaries for instructors than Ole Miss or Miss State, but lagging behind them in average salary for all three tenure-track or tenured ranks... it confirms one of the priorities of the Thames regime.

Robert Campbell

Date: Apr 25, 2005

And one of the 16 female profs is Dana Thames. What a rank promotion.

Date: Apr 25, 2005

What's staggering is that if 588 (admittedly it was probably a little higher) was the approximate number of professors last spring, and approximately 490 of those voted no confidence in Thames, then over 80% of the faculty voted against Thames. A general can't win many battles with that kind of descension in the ranks.

Date: Apr 25, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Amy Young
"I've been reading the latest issue of Academe and here are the data that USM turned into AAUP national:

Total faculty Number Male Number Female
Professor 140 124 16
Associate 162 102 60
Assistant 203 134 69
Instructor 83 31 52
ALL 588 391 197

So, when USM turned in the data, we had 588 faculty, of which 14% are instructors and the overwhelming majority are Instructor or assistant. What is also troubling is the underwhelming number of female full professors and the overwhelming number of female instructors.

More later
Amy Young
"

At least three of the 16 female professors are in music--Dana Ragsdale, Lois Leventhal, and Marta Hofacre (who is retiring.) There may be a fourth--Patricia Malone. One of the fulls is in theater--Monica Hayes. Interesting that the former CoTA has such a high percentage of the females.

Date: Apr 25, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Music patron
" At least three of the 16 female professors are in music--Dana Ragsdale, Lois Leventhal, and Marta Hofacre (who is retiring.) There may be a fourth--Patricia Malone. One of the fulls is in theater--Monica Hayes. Interesting that the former CoTA has such a high percentage of the females. "

Another is in history: Margaret Barnett, and there must be a good number from English - further concentrating female full professors in CoAL.

Date: Apr 25, 2005

I have a question about the salaries at UM and MSU. Do those numbers include the medical faculties' salaries at the medical center? Also, I have no reason to assume that MSU's numbers do not include the high cost of engineering and vet school faculty.

How about a comparison of average salaries in similar departments (history to history, polymer science to chemical engineering, etc.)?

Date: Apr 25, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Amy Young
"I've been reading the latest issue of Academe and here are the data that USM turned into AAUP national: Total faculty Number Male Number Female Professor 140 124 16 Associate 162 102 60 Assistant 203 134 69 Instructor 83 31 52 ALL 588 391 197 So, when USM turned in the data, we had 588 faculty, of which 14% are instructors and the overwhelming majority are Instructor or assistant. What is also troubling is the underwhelming number of female full professors and the overwhelming number of female instructors. More later Amy Young "

Not many females,hmm. How about redheads?,I haven't noticed many of them.What about transexuals?,a definite shortage there.Any conservative Republicans?,they all must have gone into the private sector.Not enough minorities either.It's very important to emphasize race and sex over competence.If we leave it to these kooks they'll soon be hiring people on the basis of ability.

Date: Apr 25, 2005

We don't seem to have stats on redheads, etc. The climb to full professor is tough for anybody. It is my perception that there is an unusual dearth of female full professors compared to other schools I know about. It would be interesting to know the reasons.

Also, English is losing one, Anne Wallace.

Date: Apr 25, 2005

English has 4 female full professors - Abbenyi, Ball, Ryan, Wallace - and had 5 before Robison left last summer. With Wallace's departure, there will be 3 next year.

Date: Apr 25, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: USM Alum
"What's staggering is that if 588 (admittedly it was probably a little higher) was the approximate number of professors last spring, and approximately 490 of those voted no confidence in Thames, then over 80% of the faculty voted against Thames. A general can't win many battles with that kind of descension in the ranks."

On the Fire Shelby board, the best estimate of genuine USM faculty minus instructors in Spring 2004 was 540 (not the 650 then being retailed to the media and the public). So the anti-Shelby margin --at least 430 out of 540--was indeed over 80%.

Genuine USM faculty minus instructors today? Assuming the numbers reported to the AAUP are close (and they probably are): around 500, instead of the 712 claimed in the Fact Book.

Robert Cmapbell

Date: Apr 25, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
" On the Fire Shelby board, the best estimate of genuine USM faculty minus instructors in Spring 2004 was 540 (not the 650 then being retailed to the media and the public). So the anti-Shelby margin --at least 430 out of 540--was indeed over 80%. Genuine USM faculty minus instructors today? Assuming the numbers reported to the AAUP are close (and they probably are): around 500, instead of the 712 claimed in the Fact Book. Robert Cmapbell "

SFT has a great plan for growing the faculty. Get rid of a professor and bring in 2-3 adjuncts to teach their courses. That grows the "Core of Instruction", as it is now called.

Date: Apr 25, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Count Down, esquire
"English has 4 female full professors - Abbenyi, Ball, Ryan, Wallace - and had 5 before Robison left last summer. With Wallace's departure, there will be 3 next year."

Nursing has 4 now, used to have 5. Anna Brock, Mary Coyne, Bonita Reinert, Kay Lundy. Sharyn Janes just left.

Date: Apr 26, 2005

Since SFT claims some of the "savings" from reorganization
was the shifting of administrative salaries to instructional
salaries, we should see more faculty post-reorganization
than there were pre-reorganization. Do we have 2002
data to compare to 2004 to see just what has happened
to the instructional core at USM?

Pirate

Date: Apr 26, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Pirate
"Since SFT claims some of the "savings" from reorganization was the shifting of administrative salaries to instructional salaries, we should see more faculty post-reorganization than there were pre-reorganization. Do we have 2002 data to compare to 2004 to see just what has happened to the instructional core at USM?"

A excellent point. If the professed "shifting" of resources from administrative salaries to instructional salaries actually occurred, the 2004 instructional core figures should be greater than the 2002 instructional core figures. Those figures should be readily available somewhere. It would be nice if somebody posted them here so that we can see if the shifting actually took place.

Date: Apr 26, 2005

Keep in mind that Shelby saying resources were shifted to instruction does not mean that all instructors see a benefit - the MIDAS program is the most egregious example of using funds that could benefit everyone to reward a few who were already living high off the pork-barrel hog.

Date: Apr 26, 2005

2 other female profs in Dana's dept. are Carolyn Reeves Kazelskis and Francis Karnes. Karnes does do a great job and RK is Dana's favorite henchwoman so she's going nowhere while Dana needs her. I think she got a huge MIDAS too - along with Dana.

Date: Apr 26, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Music patron
"

At least three of the 16 female professors are in music--Dana Ragsdale, Lois Leventhal, and Marta Hofacre (who is retiring.) There may be a fourth--Patricia Malone. One of the fulls is in theater--Monica Hayes. Interesting that the former CoTA has such a high percentage of the females. "

And Mary Ann Stringer was a prof. in music before she went to Texas with her spouse.

Date: Apr 26, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Amy Young
"What is also troubling is the underwhelming number of female full professors and the overwhelming number of female instructors.
"

Amy, you probably haven't had time to read the Chronicle of Higher Education lately (they've done a couple of good pieces in the last year or so), but this is a probably nationwide. The statistics on the small percentage of female profs who have made it through the glass ceiling of full profs are depressing.

That being said, I've worked at numerous universities, and USM is the only one where no one seemed to have any notion of sensitivity to gender issues in hiring or promotion. I've participated in searches at USM where illegal actions took place simply out of ignorance of the participants. Shelby's attempt to get rid of Becky Woodrick seemed to me to simply be the formalization of what had been an informal policy of being completely oblivious to affirmative action and legal procedures.

Date: Apr 26, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Female and proud
"

Amy, you probably haven't had time to read the Chronicle of Higher Education lately (they've done a couple of good pieces in the last year or so), but this is a probably nationwide. "

That's "problem," not "probably."

Date: Apr 26, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Just the facts, 'mam
"A excellent point. If the professed "shifting" of resources from administrative salaries to instructional salaries actually occurred, the 2004 instructional core figures should be greater than the 2002 instructional core figures. Those figures should be readily available somewhere. It would be nice if somebody posted them here so that we can see if the shifting actually took place. "

JTFM,

You're assuming that the Instructional Core numbers haven't been progressively padded since 2002. The increasing faculty numbers in the Fact Book (including the sudden appearance of a most interesting category called "Other" Faculty) are signs of progressive padding.

Some faculty body will have to cut through the BS and release honest faculty numbers to the media.

Robert

Date: Apr 26, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
" JTFM, You're assuming that the Instructional Core numbers haven't been progressively padded since 2002."

Quite the opposite. I said "If the professed "shifting" of resources from administrative salaries to instructional salaries actually occurred, the 2004 instructional core figures should be greater than the 2002 instructional core figures." My guess is that the alleged "savings" have not been poured into the academic side.

Date: Apr 26, 2005

JTFM,

Sorry, I misunderstood you.

The figures obtained by the national AAUP may not be perfect, but they are far more credible than the faculty numbers in the USM Fact Book.

Robert Campbell

Date: Apr 26, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Robert Campbell
"The figures obtained by the national AAUP may not be perfect, but they are far more credible than the faculty numbers in the USM Fact Book."

If the USM Fact Book said 2+2=4 I'd check that out very carefully before believing it.

Date: Apr 26, 2005

Are adjuncts in a category separate from instructors? Is that uniform across the university? What about visiting profs at any rank? Do instructors have voting rights?

Date: Apr 26, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Old adjunct
"Are adjuncts in a category separate from instructors? Is that uniform across the university? What about visiting profs at any rank? Do instructors have voting rights?"

depends on which version of the faculty handbook you read,

Date: Apr 26, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Old adjunct
"Are adjuncts in a category separate from instructors? Is that uniform across the university? What about visiting profs at any rank? Do instructors have voting rights?"

As I understand it, instructors are full-time and non-temporary. Adjuncts are considered temporary. Instructors typically vote and adjuncts do not.

What the figures I posted at the top of this thread do NOT reflect is research faculty status who have few or no teaching duties.

The latest issue of Academe actually does discuss the problem of women in the academy and USM is following a trend. However, I have not had the time to look closely at other schools in our district to compare females and males.

Amy Young