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Originally posted by: USM Sympathizer
"PS: My only fear now is that Shelby will go out and hire a PR person who is actually competent and effective.  Given his track record, however, I guess I don't have to worry too much."

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Lord no!  We wouldn't want someone competent and effective; that would be good for the university and we can't have that!  We can only win if the university fails . . . that'll show'em. 

i hear danny mitchell (USM alum and head of the Godwin Group) is going to help in selecting the next PR person.

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Originally posted by: lordy
"Lord no!  We wouldn't want someone competent and effective; that would be good for the university and we can't have that!  We can only win if the university fails . . . that'll show'em.  "

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Anyone Shelby hires will be Shelby's flunky.  USM can only win if Shelby fails -- and Shelby has a great track record of bungling everything he touches (with the possible exception of polymer plastics).  If you can please explain to me how a competent spokesperson who makes Shelby look competent can be good for USM, I'll take your post more seriously.  The good thing about Lisa Mader was that she was as incompetent as her boss and thus (without intending to) conveyed a true picture of things at USM.  In that respect, I will miss her.

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Originally posted by: lordy
"OK, you can't say you heard it hear first, but I'll put myself out there (not really since you don't know who I am) and say that SFT will get a new contract.  So, linear logic would dictate that what is good/bad for SFT is good/bad for USM.  Have it either way, I would like gud stuf."

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I'm sorry. I don't know what "good/bad" means.  Would you please explain?  I think I can figure out the rest.

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Originally posted by: lordy
"OK, you can't say you heard it hear first, but I'll put myself out there (not really since you don't know who I am) and say that SFT will get a new contract.  So, linear logic would dictate that what is good/bad for SFT is good/bad for USM.  Have it either way, I would like gud stuf."

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Rumors abound.  It ain't over 'til it's over. 

And a week is a long time in politics.

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Originally posted by: lordy
"sorry, "good/bad" would mean good or bad.  Good for USM = good for SFT, Bad for USM = bad for SFT.  Now, I will put good for USM ahead of bad for SFT anyday."

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Your argument is flawed from the get go because it assumes an alignment that does not exist.  What is good for USM is not having Shelby Thames as president.  What is good for Shelby Thames could not matter less.

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Originally posted by: First Fallacy
"Your argument is flawed from the get go because it assumes an alignment that does not exist.  What is good for USM is not having Shelby Thames as president.  What is good for Shelby Thames could not matter less."

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I agree with you that may be the case.  The best case senerio may be that USM not have SFT as el presidente.  But, the only way you will acheive what in your mind is "victory" is the demise of SFT - and that will cost USM.  They are, since he is IE, cosmic-ly connected. 

You can't wish ill on Thames and hope that our institution will thrive - it will not.  To care for our community is to hope that SFT gets lucky and does some things right and eventually leaves/"resigns."

Everytime one shouts "NO QUARTER" concerning the lost souls of administration we are saying that we will make every effort to see our beloved academy ache.

I'm with you, USM Sympathizer.

you just don't get it - he's teflon.  they believe in him, and are laughing at us.  all we are doing is running in circles playing kindergarden games and in the process . . . losing.

Patti, dismiss what (who) you will, a troll I am not.  I am not here to ensite flames.  The answer to your question is world-view.  Theirs is different than ours; plain and simple.  You could have a no-confidence vote everyday until Chirstmas and it won't change their minds.  Why?  Because the opinion of their 'employees' don't really matter that much - some, but not that much. 

In the so-called "bidness" world, change produces pain (some times pain produces change, co-catalyst) and that they understand.  SFT is right on track in the plan of revolution.  An organization only has two options - evolution or revolution.  Evolution is much too slow for them in the current economic, and otherwise, environment.

Now, disregard this if you like, but in the back of your noggin' a little bug is running around telling you I'm right. 

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Originally posted by: Invictus
" Is teflon a polymer? Well, it's not that Shelby Thames has a teflon coated butt, it's simply that he is serving a specific purpose. It is kind of sad that someone can work in a system for over 40 years & lack the perceptiveness to realize that they are being used. And folks, Shelby is being used like a pawn. He's just too egotistical to realize it or admit it."

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that may be the most insightful post made here in may moons.  someone gets my drift.

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Originally posted by: lordy
"Patti, dismiss what (who) you will, a troll I am not.  I am not here to ensite flames.  The answer to your question is world-view.  Theirs is different than ours; plain and simple.  You could have a no-confidence vote everyday until Chirstmas and it won't change their minds.  Why?  Because the opinion of their 'employees' don't really matter that much - some, but not that much.  In the so-called "bidness" world, change produces pain (some times pain produces change, co-catalyst) and that they understand.  SFT is right on track in the plan of revolution.  An organization only has two options - evolution or revolution.  Evolution is much too slow for them in the current economic, and otherwise, environment. Now, disregard this if you like, but in the back of your noggin' a little bug is running around telling you I'm right.  "

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Forgive me, I've been too busy to jump in earlier and contribute....

What I see is the efforts of a few (those currently on the IHL board and those in Hattiesburg who want SFT in office so they can benefit from his $ into their pockets) to damage what was once a forward moving institution.  SFT is the synergy to USM's destruction.  The only evolution is that USM will be less than "wurl class" and delegated to being a small regional university with empty dreams of what we once were and what we have become because of SFT blinding ego.

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Originally posted by: lordy
...............  In the so-called "bidness" world, change produces pain (some times pain produces change, co-catalyst) and that they understand.  SFT is right on track in the plan of revolution.  An organization only has two options - evolution or revolution.  Evolution is much too slow for them in the current economic, and otherwise, environment. Now, disregard this if you like, but in the back of your noggin' a little bug is running around telling you I'm right.  "

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Lordy,

I will agree that change comes slowly, and is often painful. Change can be for the good, or for the bad.  People will disagree whether what is happening here is good or bad.

We will have to agree to disagree on the rest.  From where I sit, outside of the forest, the damage done by SFT is incomphrensible.  Maybe he is a pawn, maybe the conspirators are right, that he was put in to destroy USM, if that is the case, he's done a good job.

In as much as the economic/enviroment is concerned, overall it sucks.  Too much outsourcing of jobs all over the country.  It isn't only Mississippi that is effected, look at Michigan, Ohio, New Mexico (where there aren't jobs to begin with) and then tell me that SFT is doing a bang up job.  So the little bug running around in the back of this girls mind is telling her that **** rolls downhill and USM happens to be at the bottom of the heap.  Recovery has to start at the top and work down, not the other way around Lordy.  Jobs have to be created, and it takes money to do that.  And the money is at the top of the food chain so to speak.  SFT is not going to create jobs, pure plain and simple.  He is destroying the foundation in which jobs are created, he is destroying a fine university, was he told to do this, hell I don't know.

Patti, I actually agree with 90% of your post, and I'm not against you.  But, looking from the outside (and I'm really outside) it still comes down to "world-view."  He wasnt sent to destroy but create - and like a phoenix from the ashes that's what "they" believe he is doing.  Don't you get it "they" think he's right on track.  And, the discontent from the ranks of faculty tells them such.  It is what was expected and prepared for - from the day his name was considered.  He never had a chance with some, they know it, and because of such looks active everytime someone displays 'no quarter.'