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Anthony Adverse

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Originally posted by: Site picker

" And it sure wasn't because of the engineers at MS State University. They've got full-time jobs and already do consulting to the extend their school's policy permits. So why can't South Mississippi attract major industry? Don't say "politics." That term is a cop out. There has to be a better reason than that."


This is funny. Are you arguing with yourself?  In your previous post you claimed that Nissan located near Jackson because of the proximity to MSU in "Starkeville."  Now you're saying "it sure wasn't because of the engineers at MS State University," which is correct. No one has suggested that major industry hasn't been attracted to South Mississippi because of "politics,"  only that in the specific case involving Nissan and Canton, politics and certain influential politicians were key players in closing the deal. 


Your question concerning the lack of interest by industry in South Mississippi, is excellent. I'd love to hear that  highly paid wurl' class economic development expert Dr. Dr. Angeline Dvorak expound on the subject.



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Elucidator

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"what's all of this nonsense about an academic program in economic develpment?"

Congratulations, you have just condensed 47,000+ posts into a single question.

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Bidness Guy

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"If attracting industry is solely political, as some here seem to be suggesting, then what's all of this nonsense about an academic program in economic develpment? We'd be better off pushing for a law school so down the road we'd have sufficient legislative support for the next Yugo facory."

Nooooo, attracting industry isn't "solely political."  If the other elements such as population, property, and economics aren't there, then no amount of political arm-twisting would cause a  successful corporation like Nissan to come on down to Mississippi.  Politics is the great facilitator, but not the only determinant. You're right on the mark with your assessment of the USM quasi-academic ED program, and the long term advantages of a law school.  By the way, where are our expert board contributors from the COB?  Rather than sniping at each other, I'd like to hear their take on this question.

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Peter Drucker

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" By the way, where are our expert board contributors from the COB?  Rather than sniping at each other, I'd like to hear their take on this question."

Perhaps Monique de Guerre could use her charm to lure those COB bad boys out from under their desks.  I too would like to know what they make of the ongoing failure to attract major industry to South Mississippi.

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Site picker

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Originally posted by: Anthony Adverse

"In your previous post you claimed that Nissan located near Jackson because of the proximity to MSU in "Starkeville." 

That's not what I said. What I said is that being in close proximity to a relatively large city (Jackson) and a major university (MS State) helps provide the social and cultural advantages desired when a major industry locates. Note that the emphasis is on "major." Small industry doing only routine piece work will locate most anywhere there is cheap labor. Those executives from corporations like Nissan demand a little more.

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U-Go

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The burden of attracting industry to South Mississippi does not rest with USM. USM can play an important role in attracting industry, but not if it continues to flush its top scholars. Site picker is right. All other things equal, it is the cultural/social environment that is attractive to industry. USM is an institution of higher learning and it should act like one. Developing into an economic goldmine is a formula for academic disaster.

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Unrealtor

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"What happened to Hattiesburg's Sunbeam Corporation and Chainsaw Al? "


The old Sunbeam plant? All 725,938 sq. ft. can be yours for a mere $17.5-20 million. Move in today.

www.theadp.com/economic%20development/construction/Sunbeam%20Hattiesburg%20Profile.pdf

http://www.southerncompany.com/mspower/ecodev/sunbeam.asp

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Don't forget us

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"http://www.southerncompany.com/mspower/ecodev/sunbeam.asp[/url]




This advertising site lists two or three dozen things about the old Sunbeam facility, evidently mentioned to attract a new industry. Nowhere do I see anything about its proximity to USM.

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Bigger than life

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Originally posted by: Don't forget us

"This advertising site lists two or three dozen things about the old Sunbeam facility, evidently mentioned to attract a new industry. Nowhere do I see anything about its proximity to USM."

They must be waiting until we reach 20,000 before adding it to their list of desirable features.

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blender

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"Nooooo, attracting industry isn't "solely political."  If the other elements such as population, property, and economics aren't there, then no amount of political arm-twisting would cause a  successful corporation like Nissan to come on down to Mississippi.  Politics is the great facilitator, but not the only determinant. You're right on the mark with your assessment of the USM quasi-academic ED program, and the long term advantages of a law school.  By the way, where are our expert board contributors from the COB?  Rather than sniping at each other, I'd like to hear their take on this question."

None of us in COB are smart enough to comment on these complicated issues.  You'll have to ask the experts in ED.

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Hermione Angleterre

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"None of us in COB are smart enough to comment on these complicated issues.  You'll have to ask the experts in ED."


As faithful readers will recall, Mlle de Guerre chose to remove herself from the "line of fire" so to speak, where COB posters are concerned, and prefers not to comment on issues which involve them. Except, of course, she would really, really like to be friends with a good accountant who can fix and drive cars, but he doesn't have to be in the COB necessarily. Of course we have our own concerns about the economic development program, especially since watching "Jean-Claude" our former chauffer, struggle with his dissertation. It took him days and days. Mlle de Guerre has serious reservations on this entire topic. She feels that teaching people to write well, think critically, do research (as in going to the library on foot) and developing skills in a chosen profession can enable students do their own economic developing. I am not doing justice to her ideas, but you get the drift.

Sincerely,

Hermione Angleterre, Social Secretary to Monique de Guerre

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ram

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"You're right on the mark with your assessment of  . . . the long term advantages of a law school.  "


The advantages may be there, but is it likely to happen?  We already have two law schools in a small, poor state.  Jackson State has been lobbying hard for years to get a second, public law school in the urban center.  


I don't what USM could bring to the table that JSU hasn't already tried.



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Bidness Guy

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Originally posted by: ram

" The advantages may be there, but is it likely to happen?  We already have two law schools in a small, poor state.  Jackson State has been lobbying hard for years to get a second, public law school in the urban center.   I don't what USM could bring to the table that JSU hasn't already tried."

I agree with your appraisal of the situation.  I wasn't suggesting that it was likely to happen, but rather expressing some wishful thinking.  I do think JSU has the disadvantage of having the Mississippi College law school right there in downtown Jackson, even though it isn't public.  Interestingly, Texas A&M attempted to take over the South Texas College of Law several years ago, in fact going so far as to close the deal before having it vetoed by the Texas legislature.  It seems the U. of Texas power brokers couldn't deal with the thought of an Aggie law school, even though South Texas had been in operation for decades. 


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Crossroads of the South

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Originally posted by: ram

"We already have two law schools in a small, poor state."


I don't know much about the law school in Oxford, but the one in Jackson is thriving:


Mississippi College School of Law



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Fair and Balanced

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Now you do:


School of Law (University of Mississippi, Oxford)


 


 



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Hortense

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The profile of the entering (2004) class at each of Mississippi's two law schools is interesting.


Ole Miss: 170 students in the entering class. 55 undergraduate schools represented. 17 states represented. 35 majors represented.


Mississippi College: 188 students in the entering class. 68 undergraduate schools represented. 20 states represented. 50 majors represented.


This suggests to me that these two schools have aspirations that are national in scope (entering class comprised of students from 17 and 20 states respectively), and that they both value a broad as opposed to a specialized undergraduate education (the undergraduate majors of those students were from 35 and 50 disciplines respectively). Strong writing skills are essential for admission to both of those schools. As USM loses its strong liberal arts faculty members, so too it loses its competive edge in placing its students in law school.


 


 


 



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