Shared Governance, the Thames way! - USM Forum -- Message Board

Date: Apr 13, 2005

RE: Shared Governance, the Thames way!

Date: Apr 13, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Prim and Proper
"Gnolme C., its difficult to tell from your post whether you are pretending to be a logician or a grammarian; or just pretending to be clever. I fully understood what Right of Center was saying."

P 'n' P--

"Pretending to be clever." I like that. Don't we wish pretending could make it so?

It's not a question of understanding what RoC was saying. That was obvious. RoC was trying to undermine the credibility of TW's post, not by addressing the content, but by calling TW a name: liberal.

I suppose this is more in the nature of "pretending to be logician." And you're right, I am not a logician by training, so you can criticize my credentials all you want; but the point I was making remains: RoC makes an unsupported assumption about TW (i.e. that TW believes inmates should be part of the decision making process at Parchman) then declares -- based on that assumption -- that TW is a "liberal". How can RoC presume to know what TW's position vis-a-vis prisoners' rights are, based only on what TW said about increased student involvement? (That's a rhetorical question, BTW. You're not expected to answer.)

I'll grant you, there are other problems with RoC's statement. (You qualified logicians or logisticians can talk about non sequitur.) All I picked up on were the introductory words and how often and easily they are used to reach a questionable conclusion. I don't know, maybe that is non sequitur.

Is this really about shared governance?

Date: Apr 13, 2005

Crofts did not just fall off the turnip truck. He will listen to all constituencies. That is a good thing.

He will process the input of everyone through the filter of his not inconsiderable experience.

Date: Apr 13, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Thames Watcher
" This photo (above, from yesterday's awards banquet) is what I'm talking about. Student support is growing every day."

Sorry, I can't see the photo.

Date: Apr 13, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Blind Banana Bush
"Sorry, I can't see the photo. "

It's just a candid shot of Shelby and his good buddy O.J. Simpson sharing an affectionate moment. You ain't missin' much.

Date: Apr 13, 2005

What an unkind remark. This picture is from the HA website. Let's continue to encourage and honor our students, like this young man. If SFT hadn't made the award, we'd have been upset about that.

Date: Apr 13, 2005

Right on, LVN. Frustrated we are, but there is no need to unload like this.

Date: Apr 13, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Blind Banana Bush
"Sorry, I can't see the photo. "

I can't see it either. Who's in it, what does it have to do with "Shared Governance, the Thames Way," and what's all the uproar?

Date: Apr 13, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: pictionary
"Can you define "inequitable" in the case of faculty pay in general relative to some staff, as you used it above?"

Staff pay (NOT at the upper tier of administrative management) is abysmal.

Date: Apr 13, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Helen Keller
"I can't see it either. Who's in it, what does it have to do with "Shared Governance, the Thames Way," and what's all the uproar? "

Try looking at the Hattiesburg American webpage. It's a young black student receiving an award from Dr. Thames.

Date: Apr 13, 2005

I don't understand why so much attention is being given to this troll. I would love to talk more about Dr. Campbell's visit and hear about his ideas of Shared Governance. I am sure that he and Dr. Croft have many of the same principals in common and that none of them are about turning USM into a bizzness with customers instead of students.

Date: Apr 13, 2005

You can bet Oak Grove High kids are fond of Dr. Thames. He is working on plans to bring USM courses out to their campus. That's been long overdue and he's getting it done.

Date: Apr 13, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: "Gnolme C."
RoC makes an unsupported assumption about TW . . . . then declares -- based on that assumption -- that TW is a "liberal"

Gnolme C. - Sorry, Buddy, but it was TW who made the "liberal" assumption: "All the Oak Grove based family/business supporters of SFT are about to organize their own army of kids to fight the liberal faculty establishment.

Date: Apr 13, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: local principal
"You can bet Oak Grove High kids are fond of Dr. Thames. He is working on plans to bring USM courses out to their campus. That's been long overdue and he's getting it done."

Those kids aren't NEARLY as excited as the chair of the department who already made his schedule for fall and doesn't know who the h*ll is supposed to teach those sections! Plus, if I want to send my kid to college, I want her to be at college. It's not all about what's in the book, it's about the whole college experience.

Date: Apr 14, 2005

You can bet Oak Grove High kids are fond of Dr. Thames. He is working on plans to bring USM courses out to their campus. That's been long overdue and he's getting it done

Say what? University classes are "overdue" to be taught in high schools? Isn't it enough that the university has to teach high school (remedial) classes?

Additionally, it was reported that Dr. Thames is not in favor of dual enrollment in any fashion.

Date: Apr 14, 2005

I can't believe the way some of you speak about USM students. It's appalling. It is long overdue that the University be an outreach citizen like it will become when we start making the local high school agreements. And, I don't believe that Dr. Thames is opposed to dual enrollment. It is a gateway to admission and full-time student status when these folks graduate from high school. Some of you don't seem to know a whole bunch about running an educational institution.

Date: Apr 14, 2005

kick

Date: Apr 14, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: local principal
"I can't believe the way some of you speak about USM students. It's appalling. It is long overdue that the University be an outreach citizen like it will become when we start making the local high school agreements. And, I don't believe that Dr. Thames is opposed to dual enrollment. It is a gateway to admission and full-time student status when these folks graduate from high school. Some of you don't seem to know a whole bunch about running an educational institution."

USM has lots of outreach. It used to have a whole division called "Continuing Education" -- it offered both high school and college courses by correspondence, for example. It's not just that classes at Oak Grove High School are a bad idea, per se, it's that once again an idea was put forward without consulting or conferring with the people who need to know about it (the academic departments involved.) No university is "top-down" in the way that public schools are; the two systems come from entirely different roots and have different structures and expectations. In the university world, academics have some input into what they do -- well, the rest of the academic world they do.