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Date: Apr 11, 2005

Jackson State Moving UP

Date: Apr 11, 2005

There is little doubt that Jackson State is going to be a major player in Mississippi's system of higher education. It's geographical location (in the capital and largest of our cities) is a natural place for a major university. JSU has already jumped into the doctoral arena with both feet, and it has been designated by IHL as a comprehensive university. If USM continues to receive the back of the hand, it won't be very long before we refer to Mississippi's "big 3" as Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Jackson State.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

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Originally posted by: Reporter
"Editorial April 11, 2005 Jackson State"

"Jackson State University has changed from a campus on a dead-end street at one end of Jackson to becoming a major doorway in the capital to national and international achievement — with a greater chance to grow."

Date: Apr 11, 2005

It is highly unlikely that the local business leaders in Jackson would try to interfere with academic matters that are the legitimate concern of the JSU faculty.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

I'd guess most everybody already knows the answer to this question so pardon me in advance for asking. I thought, and have even read on this board, that there was some "conspiracy" on the part of Ole Miss and MSU to bar USM from offering engineering degrees. If that's the case, then how does JSU fit into the equation? Don't they have a college of engineering, and offer degrees in several engineering fields? This isn't a criticism of JSU, more power to them. I just want to know how they were able to finagle offering engineering programs, when USM couldn't pull it off. Better administrators? Better lobbyists? Better inroads with the IHL?

Date: Apr 11, 2005

I wondered when USM would finally begin to realize there is another public university approximately 90 miles North - not much further North of Hattiesburg than our coast campus is South of Hattiesburg.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

USM lost the talented historian, Curtis Austin, to JSU.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

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Originally posted by: qwerty
"USM lost the talented historian, Curtis Austin, to JSU. "

And, as I am sure EagleTalk fans have noted, USM has lost a right many football prospects to JSU also

Date: Apr 11, 2005

Louisiana's capital (Baton Rouge) is home of their flagship school LSU. Texas' capital (Austin) is home of their flagship school University of Texas. North Carolina's capital (Raleigh) is home of their land-grant school North Carolina State. There is no good reason to suppose that one of these days Mississippi's capital (Jackson) will be home to one of their top state university also.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

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Originally posted by: Good for Goose, Good for Gander
"Louisiana's capital (Baton Rouge) is home of their flagship school LSU. Texas' capital (Austin) is home of their flagship school University of Texas. North Carolina's capital (Raleigh) is home of their land-grant school North Carolina State. There is no good reason to suppose that one of these days Mississippi's capital (Jackson) will be home to one of their top state university also. "

USM administrative leadership you'd better wake up or Mississippi's academic world will pass you by.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

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Originally posted by: Good for Goose, Good for Gander
"Louisiana's capital (Baton Rouge) is home of their flagship school LSU. Texas' capital (Austin) is home of their flagship school University of Texas. North Carolina's capital (Raleigh) is home of their land-grant school North Carolina State. There is no good reason to suppose that one of these days Mississippi's capital (Jackson) will be home to one of their top state university also. "

Good point, but a small modification to your recitation of examples is in order. TU at Austin is one of the two designated Texas "flagship" universities, the other being Texas A&M University at College Station. TAMU is some 20 years older than TU, and the only land, air, and sea grant university in the country. There is a movement afoot in the Texas legislature to confer flagship status on one, and possibly two additional universities, Texas Tech and the University of Houston being those most commonly mentioned. Of course Texas has ten times the population of Mississippi, and your overall argument still stands.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

Why do you have to call us "TU"? No one on this board is calling you "ATM"?

Date: Apr 11, 2005

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Originally posted by: Texas Aggie
"TU at Austin is one of the two designated Texas "flagship" universities, the other being Texas A&M University at College Station."

A&M Aggie, are you at the Commerce campus or at the branch campus in College Station?

Date: Apr 11, 2005

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Originally posted by: Texas Aggie
"TAMU is some 20 years older than TU, and the only land, air, and sea grant university in the country."

Air grant university? Heck, we've got our own airplane. Sea grant university? Heck, we've got a coast campus.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

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Originally posted by: Good for Goose, Good for Gander
"A&M Aggie, are you at the Commerce campus or at the branch campus in College Station?"

Actually I'm in Austin, where I earned my Ph.D. at The University of Texas at IH-35. But, once an Aggie, always an Aggie. Did the undergrad years in College Station, long before all the new little TAMU's popped up in Commerce, Kingsville, Corpus, etc etc etc.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

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Originally posted by: Longhorn Eagle
"Why do you have to call us "TU"? No one on this board is calling you "ATM"? "

The "TU" reference was made in good humor, with no offense intended. I figure that having graduated from both UT and TAMU, I have the standing to poke fun at both institutions whenever the occasion arises. Everyone in the academic universe knows UT is a fine institution. For whatever reason Texas A&M does not enjoy quite the same notoriety, although their academic programs are generally the equal of those at Texas, especially now that they have Gary Stringer. Call me/us "ATM" if you wish. Personally, I think it's funny.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

TU is what the University of Tulsa (according to one person - a counterpart of USM) is called. The Mississippi concept is like many land grant universities including AR/OK/NM/KS/IO/IN/IL/TN/GA/CO/UT/AZ/CA/WA/OR/OH/PA/NC/FL/MI

Sometimes a Notre Dame, Purdue, Northwestern slips through but we know the orginal plan.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

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Originally posted by: Longhorn Eagle
"Why do you have to call us "TU"? No one on this board is calling you "ATM"? "

You mean it isn't ATM?

Date: Apr 11, 2005

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Originally posted by: Invictus Football Equipment Manager
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You mean it isn't ATM?

"

WHOOP!

Date: Apr 11, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Emma
"TU is what the University of Tulsa (according to one person - a counterpart of USM) is called. The Mississippi concept is like many land grant universities including AR/OK/NM/KS/IO/IN/IL/TN/GA/CO/UT/AZ/CA/WA/OR/OH/PA/NC/FL/MI Sometimes a Notre Dame, Purdue, Northwestern slips through but we know the orginal plan."

Aren't Notre Dame and Northwestern both private universities? I don't follow you about their "slipping through." And isn't Tulsa private as well? I don't see any parallels at all between Tulsa and USM, other than both being institutions of higher learning. USM's becoming a little iffy there too.

BTW, "TU," or "tu" is the derogatory appellation for UT-Austin, just as ATM is the derogatory for Texas A&M. Probably a big deal only in Texas.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

I think Purdue was or is a land grant. I know for a fact that Northwestern is private, and was originally a Methodist school. Went there a couple of years. Also, Notre Dame is Catholic (duh!)

Date: Apr 11, 2005

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Originally posted by: Point of Order
" Aren't Notre Dame and Northwestern both private universities? I don't follow you about their "slipping through." And isn't Tulsa private as well? I don't see any parallels at all between Tulsa and USM, other than both being institutions of higher learning. USM's becoming a little iffy there too. BTW, "TU," or "tu" is the derogatory appellation for UT-Austin, just as ATM is the derogatory for Texas A&M. Probably a big deal only in Texas."

My sarcasm exceeds me - sorry. My point was that there are no parallels!! My apologies.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

Attend TU now - used to attend USM. Except for a teacher or so (Dr. Jan Drummond), I see little connnection between USM and TU. Right on, Emma.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

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Originally posted by: Emma
"My sarcasm exceeds me - sorry. My point was that there are no parallels!! My apologies."

Please don't apologize for your sarcasm. It was just over my old gray head.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Point of Order
"Please don't apologize for your sarcasm. It was just over my old gray head. "

TU is private and Presbyterian. I hope I spelled the last word correctly. My hair is gray too!

Date: Apr 11, 2005

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Originally posted by: Emma
"TU is private and Presbyterian. I hope I spelled the last word correctly. My hair is gray too!"

No kidding? Maybe we went to the senior prom together. Oops, I forgot. I boycotted the prom. I did attend a few frat parties at TU (I was a guest, not a student there) back in the day, and they were wild. Think "Animal House." Those Presbyterians rock. Or they did.

Date: Apr 11, 2005

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Originally posted by: Point of Order
"No kidding? Maybe we went to the senior prom together. Oops, I forgot. I boycotted the prom. I did attend a few frat parties at TU (I was a guest, not a student there) back in the day, and they were wild. Think "Animal House." Those Presbyterians rock. Or they did. "

USM has no Gailord Sartain!

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Date: Apr 11, 2005

And then there's this! Kinky has nothing on the great GS

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