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Date: Mar 30, 2005

Consolidating recent CoB stories

Date: Mar 30, 2005

Please explain how Lassen could even be considered as Dean of CoB? Doesn't he have a law degree and an MBA? Wouldn't he have to have a doctorate in a business field?

Date: Mar 30, 2005

When the Dean search for Doty began, someone from ED began the organizational meeting of the search committee by establishing that the credentials did not necessitate having a PhD in a business field. This person got the committee to stipulate to a J.D., etc. Little did anyone know then that Lassen would be involved as a candidate. That is why they established this idea.

Date: Mar 30, 2005

With KM as chair of "economic development" what isn't possible? Lassen is an expert in finance, just ask him. He can even use monopoly money to prove how one-time money is a great way to finance continuing expenses like salaries.

Date: Mar 30, 2005

Lassen was the belle of the ball at today's Founder's celebration. He's the golden child.

Date: Mar 30, 2005

Just another example of what a sad mess the "administration" of this place has become. Heaven help us all.

Date: Mar 30, 2005

Hasn't the golden child seen what happened to his predecessors?

Date: Mar 30, 2005

The accrediting agencies of some disciplines use stability or program stability as one of their accreditation criteria. I don't know anything about the criteria of business college accreditation agencies, but if stability is one of those it seems to me that USM business might be a cooked goose.

Date: Mar 30, 2005

Lack of stability and length of time in the job for Ty Black and other new CBA admin. types in the mid-80s was one of the reasons given by AACSB when CBA was put on continuing review and it continued for two very long years.

Date: Mar 30, 2005

I guess SACS does not use "stability" as a criterion when reviewing the university, no?

Date: Mar 30, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: ED's Close
"When the Dean search for Doty began, someone from ED began the organizational meeting of the search committee by establishing that the credentials did not necessitate having a PhD in a business field. This person got the committee to stipulate to a J.D., etc. Little did anyone know then that Lassen would be involved as a candidate. That is why they established this idea."

Wasn't it David Butler, the IDV program director and assistant professor of geography who nominated Lassen for the CBED Dean position way back when? Lassen must be close to getting his IDV PhD by now. He might not be an academic in the traditional sense but then again USM under Thames is not a university in the traditional sense. This also paves the way for the predicted re-merging of economic development and business.

Date: Mar 30, 2005

... in fact, it paves the way for eliminating the AACSB-accredited College of Business and replacing it with a College of Economic Development.

Robert Campbell

Date: Mar 30, 2005

RC, now you hit the nail on the head. Coming soon to USM the College of Economic Development that will house the technical business programs in accounting, management, marketing, finance, etc. to allow USM to compete against William Carey, U of Phoenix, Antonelli College, Pearl River CC, and Jones CC...................... world class all the way w/o AACSB.

Date: Mar 30, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Third Witch
"Please explain how Lassen could even be considered as Dean of CoB? Doesn't he have a law degree and an MBA? Wouldn't he have to have a doctorate in a business field?"

Many view a law degree, rightly or wrongly, as a valuable "tool" for a university administrator, often supplanting the Ph.D.. There have been a number of high profile schools whose governing bodies have selected individuals holding law degrees for high academic posts, including their presidencies. In fact, you need look no farther than Oxford to see this. Bobby Khayat at Ole Miss holds a J.D. and a masters in law, but not a Ph.D. (nor an LLD). I'm not defending Lassen, don't even know the guy. I'm only pointing out that someone with his credentials holding a position in academic administration wouldn't be unprecedented.

Date: Mar 30, 2005

Those to whom you refer made great accomplishments before becoming a university president. They didn't just walk in off the street.

Date: Mar 30, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Background Check
"Those to whom you refer made great accomplishments before becoming a university president. They didn't just walk in off the street."

Your point is well taken. However, I'll repeat my disclaimer: "I'm not defending Lassen, don't even know the guy."

Date: Mar 30, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Background Check
"Those to whom you refer made great accomplishments before becoming a university president. They didn't just walk in off the street."

Great accomplishments may lead to a university presidency? Oh, now I see. This must be the reason we ended up with Shelby Thames in the dome.

Date: Mar 31, 2005

Regarding the Bushardt story, he has been seen meeting with Doty, then Williams, then Doty, etc. etc. for the past few days. He has his admin hat on again, so to speak. All this is really perfect timing and a perfect situation for him. If he does it, the Interim tag will likely apply.

Date: Mar 31, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Fat Albert
"Great accomplishments may lead to a university presidency? Oh, now I see. This must be the reason we ended up with Shelby Thames in the dome."

That's not quite I meant, Fat A. I was referring to former presidents and other statespersons who have only a law degree but become a college president after many years of distinguished public service.

Date: Mar 31, 2005

I like Ike. Didn't he become a college president?

Date: Mar 31, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Lapel Button
"I like Ike. Didn't he become a college president?"

Ike served as president of Columbia University from 1948(?)-51. According to most historical accounts, he was considered an outstanding shared governance style administrator.

Date: Mar 31, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Fat Albert
"Ike served as president of Columbia University from 1948(?)-51. According to most historical accounts, he was considered an outstanding shared governance style administrator."

Do you think he might be available?

Date: Mar 31, 2005

General McCain and now General Ike. We could establish a USM tradition.

Date: Mar 31, 2005

take David Boren, for U.S. Senator, president of the University of Oklahoma since 1994.

Date: Mar 31, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Third Witch
"Please explain how Lassen could even be considered as Dean of CoB? Doesn't he have a law degree and an MBA? Wouldn't he have to have a doctorate in a business field?"

Don't forget that Lassen is currently enrolled in Malone's Economic Development Ph.D. program. Did anyone ever decide whether ED is considered a business discipline, or something else?

When he completes the degree, which could be any minute now, he'll have a vita on the same level as Angie Dvorak, with a J.D. and Ph.D. We'll have our choice of addressing him as Dean Lassen, or Dr.Dr. Lassen (much like Major Major Major from Heller's Catch-22).

Date: Mar 31, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Protocol Pete
"We'll have our choice of addressing him as Dean Lassen, or Dr.Dr. Lassen"

Don't forget . . . when in doubt "Mr." is always proper. Actually, "Mr." is always proper even if you're not in doubt (note that most top universities use "Mr." rather than "Dr." Many use that title in their catalogs, even for Nobel Laureates.

Date: Mar 31, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Namesake
"Don't forget . . . when in doubt "Mr." is always proper. Actually, "Mr." is always proper even if you're not in doubt (note that most top universities use "Mr." rather than "Dr." Many use that title in their catalogs, even for Nobel Laureates."

I wonder why Angie became so annoyed when I addressed her as Mr. Dvorak?

Date: Mar 31, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Namesake
"Don't forget . . . when in doubt "Mr." is always proper. Actually, "Mr." is always proper even if you're not in doubt (note that most top universities use "Mr." rather than "Dr." Many use that title in their catalogs, even for Nobel Laureates."

This was a change for me when I started working at Vanderbilt....I had been used to calling PhD's "Dr." and no one does that here. They call them "Professor (Last Name)." It makes sense, too, since there is a Medical School here, and you don't want to get the "doctors" mixed up!