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UM is advertising for a "Clinical Professor of MGT."  Non-tenure track.  but basically wants same credentials as tenure track prof.  Is this the new academic perhipheral employee?


 


http://business.academickeys.com/seeker_job_display.php?dothis=display&job[IDX]=3800-BU02050330


 



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Medical schools have "Clinical Professors" which are doctors in private practice who either teach courses or have clinic responsibilities with students and residents. They are not really part of the academic hierarchy, but this enables them to work with students. If this person is in private business but they want him/her to teach, sit on committees, guide research, etc. but not be on tenure track, that would explain the "clinical" title. They would already be set up for that rank because of the medical school.

Before the BSchool people start, I am not evaluating this idea, just explaining how it works in another context. Thank you for your support.

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In the b-school sense, a clinical professor is hired on to teach, primarily, and face very little in the way of research expectations.  Having them frees up the time of the big-time research types to spend attempting to hit the top tier journals in their respective fields.  Another view of this is that the clinical professor brings to the place a greater desire to do well in the classroom, to spend alot of time in undergraduate education efforts, than the top flight research types.  In a way it is a separation of teaching and research lines --- a specialization (move) of sorts.

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Actually, clinical professors are often retired professors from other schools who are excellent teachers and who give of their time freely to students. There is usually no research component to their appointments.

Many think that the clinical professor route is the wave of the future, allowing schools the ability to have good teachers (clinicals) who do no research and good researchers (tenure-track) who do little teaching. The salary discrepancy should be obvious.

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In the B-school, are they full-time? In med school they are in practice or work for the training hospital.

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"In the b-school sense, a clinical professor is hired on to teach, primarily, and face very little in the way of research expectations.  Having them frees up the time of the big-time research types to spend attempting to hit the top tier journals in their respective fields.  Another view of this is that the clinical professor brings to the place a greater desire to do well in the classroom, to spend alot of time in undergraduate education efforts, than the top flight research types.  In a way it is a separation of teaching and research lines --- a specialization (move) of sorts."


Sorry, was posting when you put this up.

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I guess it would work best for retired professors, or those with another full time gig, since it is a year to year appt "depending on funding and course demand."

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Medical schools have "Clinical Professors" which are doctors in private practice who either teach courses or have clinic responsibilities with students and residents.

LVN is right. I wonder why UM MGT didn't use traditional academic titles such as "adjunct" or "visiting." The term "clinical" in this medical context literally means "bedside." I wasn't aware that was standard nomenclatature for management departments appointments.

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"LVN is right. I wonder why UM MGT didn't use traditional academic titles such as "adjunct" or "visiting." The term "clinical" in this medical context literally means "bedside." I wasn't aware that was standard nomenclatature for management departments appointments."

If it is a full-time position maybe using that title is a way to avoid puting them on tenure track. Just a guess.

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"Clinical" sounds better than "adjunct" especially if they're full time. It seems like "Teaching professor" might be a better title.

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Professor in Practice?

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Part-Time Professional Professor of Philosophy?

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Vanishing Point

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All,


In the context of business schools, clinical professors are hired for excellence in teaching.  Any research or other service they do is a bonus for the school.  The terms of employment vary, but being on tenure track is unusual.  These positions are a reaction to the teaching/research dilemma.  If you want to be a "top" B school you have to have outstanding researchers that will move the departments up in the rankings that are periodically compiled for each area (mgt, etc).  The hard reality is that this drive to push the school up in the rankings may result in a faculty that is subpar or worse in the classroom.  In B schools this becomes especially acute in MBA programs where students are not shy about complaining about poor teaching or in expensive undergraduate programs. 


To reduce this problem, hire a few superstar teachers.  Your're now seeing clinical professors at places like NYU and Chicago.  Sometimes these are younger faculty from highly-ranked programs who couldn't cut it in research but are great teachers.  In other instances, these are older faculty leaving defined benefit retirement programs and are looking for a pleasant spot to end a career.  Expect more to follow.  For UM this really makes sense.  They are trying to keep up with the Joneses in the SEC.  In the competition for top researchers they may have to make more compromises on teaching/research than say Florida. 


As an example, the speculation on a certain business faculty member leaving USM as a clinical professor at an SEC school was plausible.  This person is an incredible teacher, a great colleague (who wants to hire a jerk), and is currently the editor of a respectable journal.  A big cake with icing on the cake.



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or Professor of Practice?

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I think all USM faculty could be called "clinical."  Reputedly there are 709 of us.  Apparently Nurse Ratchett isn't teaching very well in nursing.  We need the Big Chief to break us out of here.   

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Originally posted by: Psych Ward patient #709
"Apparently Nurse Ratchett isn't teaching very well in nursing. 




That's "Cratchet," Dude - "Cratchett."

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Vanishing Point

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Professor of Practice is an even newer deal.  These are active or retired business people who teach essentially as adjuncts. Used judiciously, these positions can improve instruction in a B school.  Used stupidly to save money and you end up back in the 1950s when B schools were full of retired "executives" telling a semester worth of war stories.  It was just this environment that led to the creation of AACSB to clean up the mess and make B schools more like the rest of academia.

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"All, In the context of business schools, clinical professors are hired for excellence in teaching."

I find it interesting that business would adopt a medical school model. Medical schools have used the the term "clinical professor" for decades. It makes sense for them. It makes no sense for business. Except, perhaps, for the perceived prestige of the title.

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"I find it interesting that business would adopt a medical school model. Medical schools have used the the term "clinical professor" for decades. It makes sense for them. It makes no sense for business. Except, perhaps, for the perceived prestige of the title. "

Of course medicine has adopted a business model

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Clinical faculty positions typically pay less and have heavier teaching loads. They are designed to reduce problems stemming from poor classroom performance by top researchers at top schools. These are becoming more popular at the high priced private schools.

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To expound on CoB Insider's post above:

The term clinical professor can be found in many schools (b-schools and otherwise) across the nation.

What we are seeing is the building of a two-tiered system for faculty: research professors and clinical professors.

Research professors focus on basic research and teach very few courses per year. Their salaries are much higher, and they have an opportunity to earn a tenure appointment.

Clinical professors teach a lotand have much lower salaries than the research professors do. They also do not get tenure; they receive long-term (say, 5-year) contracts which are renewable. Their function is to do an excellent job of teaching and perhaps do a little applied research to keep current.

I believe this is the way academia will deal with some of its problems in the near future --- clinical professors will be used to stop the slide in quality of teaching due to the increased emphasis on research. By the way, have you noticed that high-quality teaching schools no longer exist?

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"In the b-school sense, a clinical professor is hired on to teach, primarily, and face very little in the way of research expectations.  Having them frees up the time of the big-time research types to spend attempting to hit the top tier journals in their respective fields.  Another view of this is that the clinical professor brings to the place a greater desire to do well in the classroom, to spend alot of time in undergraduate education efforts, than the top flight research types.  In a way it is a separation of teaching and research lines --- a specialization (move) of sorts."


I think you have it about right.  My brother, W.J. Johnson, was hired on as a Clinical Professor of Business and Economical Development by Dr. Thames 'cause of his braggin' bout his success in the bidness world.  I don't think they ever figured out that W.J.'s been a  patient at Whitfield for the last several years, suffering from what they call grandiose delusions.  The poor guy always wanted to be a college teacher, ever since he dropped out of junior high school. All I know is, Shelby told old W.J. "Boy, we two of a kind! I can sure use you 'round heah." I just hope you folks will be nice to W.J..  He's really a nice fella, and he means well.


Sincerely,


J.W. Johnson



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As a faculty member who was once mistreated during the promotion process, I take great exception to the title "Professor of Practice." I find it to be insulting to my time, effort and accomplishments that someone with no academic experience can slide into a facult yposition (tenure track or not) and assume the title of "Professor." Anyone who has had to endure the arbitrary promotion process at USM should object to this designation because it belittles what those with real rank have worked hard to achieve. Even though most members of the general public would not know the difference, one should not refer to her/himself as a "professor" when, in fact, they are an assistant or associate professor. Before beginning the promotion process I would not have taken such a traditional stance on the matter, but now I have a better appreciation for the work that goes into earning the title. It's just plain wrong for someone else to "assume" such status without having earned it in the academic sense. When I recently heard of such an appointment I suggested that the title be appropriately renamed "assistant professor of practice." Just my two cents.

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From the April 16, 2004, Chronicle of Higher Ed

For These Professors, 'Practice' Is Perfect
A category of full-time faculty members, who concentrate on teaching but are not eligible for tenure, gains favor on some campuses


By PIPER FOGG


Durham, N.C.

Clare J. Tufts knows how to get students talking. It is two days before spring break starts, the kind of balmy, sunny day when Duke University students would rather be playing Frisbee on the quad than reciting French nouns in a stuffy classroom.

Quand allez-vous partir pour les vacances? she asks students in her morning phonetics class. Qui a gagné le grand match de basket hier soir? The class perks up and starts discussing last night's basketball game in French.

During the 45-minute class, Ms. Tufts, who has taught here since 1987, jumps from activity to activity, incorporating an overhead projector, the Internet, and a CD player. She separates the class into teams to see who can pronounce a tongue twister the fastest, and doles out chocolate euro coins to the winners.

The professor takes teaching seriously. It is her luxury to spend most of her time in the classroom, trying new methods, advising students, and training others to teach. That is because Ms. Tufts is not actually a professor of French. She is a "professor of the practice" of French.

The distinction is a big one.

At Duke, professors of the practice are full-time faculty members who are not on the tenure track. They are evaluated primarily on teaching and do not have to produce groundbreaking research like their tenured colleagues. In return, they have renewable contracts lasting from 3 to 10 years, with an average minimum contract of 5 years. Their salaries, administrators say, are comparable to those of their tenured and tenure-track colleagues, although tenured full professors have, on average, greater opportunities for top salaries. Professors of the practice do get the same fringe benefits, except they are not guaranteed sabbaticals.

About 10 percent of Duke's total faculty, including 97 professors in such disciplines as the arts, biology, languages, mathematics, and statistics, now fall into this special category, which was created here more than a decade ago.

While Duke has had this system the longest, other institutions have taken heed. Emory University has modeled a program partly on Duke's. Lecturers there focus on teaching and, while their renewable contracts can cover no more than five years, they enjoy many of the rights and benefits of tenured faculty members. The number of participants has grown from about 20 to about 90 since the program began in 1996, according to Emory.

And New York University's president, John E. Sexton, has proposed several new classifications of professors who would be full time, but not on the tenure track.

"New forms of faculty ought to exist ... because they bring value to the academic enterprise," Mr. Sexton wrote in a proposal for NYU's trustees last summer.

Such faculty restructuring might offer a solution to problems caused by a growing reliance on part-timers for undergraduate teaching on campuses today. Administrators at Duke say that having faculty members who focus primarily on teaching and are integral to university life provides stability. It improves the institution's ability to offer a first-rate curriculum, and it rewards people who do important work, they say.

But at a time when the U.S. Department of Education has found that more than half of all new full-time faculty members at four-year institutions are not on the tenure track, and the number of adjuncts has skyrocketed, many people are suspicious of the concept.

Teaching, some critics say, should be the purview of tenured professors. "It's essential for the regular faculty, the tenured faculty, to take teaching as seriously as they take their research," says John W. Etchemendy, provost of Stanford University, which has only a few full-time, non-tenure-track teaching professors, and the number is dwindling.

"I see this as one more increase in the loss of tenured jobs," says Keith Hoeller, a long-time adjunct and cofounder of the Washington Part-Time Faculty Association, in Washington state. He is also a member of the American Association of University Professors' Committee on Contingent Faculty and the Profession, which strives to improve conditions for part-time and non-tenure-track faculty members. He worries about protecting the academic freedom and job security of non-tenure-track professors, especially at cash-strapped public institutions that don't have the resources of Duke, NYU, or Stanford.

Most professors who are not on the tenure track, largely adjuncts, receive lower pay and fewer benefits than their tenured colleagues, creating a growing group of second-class faculty members. Still, professors of the practice at Duke say they are treated as valued colleagues and are happy with their jobs, most of them for the simple reason that they love to teach.

"I just get a real intense pleasure when that light bulb comes on and students start communicating," says Ms. Tufts.

An Inferior Track?

After two years on the tenure track as an assistant professor of statistics at Duke, Dalene K. Stangl came to a realization. "It was pretty clear my talents were far better in the classroom than in research," says the professor on a leisurely walk across Duke's grassy campus.

Ms. Stangl, who has a Ph.D. in statistics, also believed that her publications were not good enough to earn her tenure. "At Duke, they tell you you've got to be in the top half of your department to get tenure," she says. "I didn't think I could pedal that fast."

So with the administration's blessing, in 2000 Ms. Stangl switched off the tenure track and became an assistant professor of the practice of statistics. Now she teaches two introductory-statistics classes of 150 students each, plus a computing laboratory. She also supervises one graduate and 13 undergraduate teaching assistants. She declines to say how long her contract runs.

Each department at Duke evaluates professors of the practice using different criteria, but teaching always counts most. Ms. Stangl says she is also expected to maintain a national profile in her field and make time for research, but it can have an applied focus. She has edited two books on applied statistics and written about 60 papers. She also edits Chance, a magazine about practical applications of statistics in fields like law and sports.

Ms. Stangl is one of just a few professors of the practice at Duke who are chairmen of their departments. Professors of the practice are not allowed to vote on tenure cases, but Ms. Stangl is an exception. In the case of a tie on a tenure or search-committee vote, as chairman she wields the tie-breaking vote. Ms. Stangl writes evaluations and sets raises for the statistics faculty, including her nine tenured and tenure-track colleagues and two other professors of the practice.

"It's a very good thing for POP's to also be in the position of leadership and decision making," she says. "I truly believe that what I do is as valuable as what the tenured faculty does."

But do the tenured professors feel the same way? Or are they just happy that these faculty members make their lives easier by handling the grunt work, such as teaching introductory classes and training teaching assistants?

Jack Bookman, an associate professor of the practice of mathematics, says he has felt the sting of academic snobbery in more than 20 years at Duke. The first few he spent as a part-time instructor, before becoming a POP in 1991. Mr. Bookman has a master's degree in mathematics and a doctorate in education, but not a math Ph.D. "The tenured faculty viewed us as housekeeping staff," he says. "'Will you just take care of this? We're the real professors.'"

Today, however, having been around for more than a decade, professors of the practice have largely proved themselves to their tenured colleagues. "People are realizing ... we know something about pedagogy they don't know," he says. Still, someone with a more-fragile ego might feel uncomfortable in the position.

A former high-school teacher, Mr. Bookman is in his element in the classroom. During an afternoon class, he bounces around the room in his Nikes, pausing by a group of students at work on a calculus problem. Hands clasped behind his back, he bends over to check their worksheets. A student asks, "Are we on the right track for B?" The professor beams. "More than on the right track," he says. "You've got to find out what C is, then you're on a roll." And he's on to the next group.

Mr. Bookman marvels at his students. "It's amazing to watch," he says. "They say. 'Go away, I'm learning.' ... Sometimes I just sit back and watch them. It's really nice."

A New Status

Like most universities, Duke's non-tenure-track faculty used to comprise mostly adjuncts and lecturers who worked on one-year contracts. Duke's provost, Peter Lange, says that in the late 1980s and early '90s, the university took a look at those arrangements and thought it could do better.

"We decided that was not a just thing to do nor was it good for the overall quality of the work being done and the faculty as a whole," says Mr. Lange. The professor-of-the-practice rank would be a way to recognize and reward good teachers.

Another special faculty designation created at the time was that of research professor, a rank that is widespread at other colleges and universities. Like professors of the practice, research professors are full-time, non-tenure-track faculty members. They are judged mainly on their research activities. They usually do not have to teach, although some of them choose to, and their salaries are paid mostly by outside grants.

Over all, both types of professors make up about one-fifth of the faculty of arts and science at Duke. They generally compete in a national search process, have many of the same privileges as tenured and tenure-track professors, but are evaluated differently. They face rigorous review procedures, though each department has leeway in its evaluation criteria and research expectations. A language professor of the practice might be expected to produce a textbook or articles on teaching, while public performances might suffice for a music professor of the practice.

They can hold the rank of assistant, associate, or full professor of the practice or research professor. Most departments require external letters of support for promotion. Although sabbaticals are not a normal part of the benefits package, they can apply for them. Both types of professors were recently given full voting rights in the Academic Council, Duke's faculty governing body, but they are not allowed to vote on tenure and appointments.

Professors of the practice were initially clustered in the languages and the arts, and research professors in medical areas, but both have since spread throughout the university. "I think it's worked extremely well," says Mr. Lange. "It's given worthy status to people."

But departments were allowed to decide on their own whether to hire the professors, and not all departments embraced the idea. Duke's department of psychological and brain sciences, for example, does not hire professors of the practice and never has. Michael A. Wallach, a tenured professor of psychology who came to Duke in 1962, says the department does not want to segregate teaching.

"Teaching is heavily wedded to research," says Mr. Wallach. Having professors of the practice in his department "would tend to suggest something of a second-class citizenship, which is against what we want to promote." He says it could create "a status difference that is hard to beat down."

But the professors of the practice themselves generally like the position. Ms. Tufts says it allows her flexibility to create new courses and apply for grants, and yet there is no pressure to publish. She still finds time to do research, and has received a leave to examine Nazi propaganda in French children's cartoons during World War II. She also used university research money to travel around France recording regional accents. "You get a fair amount of freedom as long as you do a really good job," she says.

Giving up tenure has been a good bargain, says Ms. Tufts, who also directs Duke's French-language program: "I don't feel like I'm not a whole person because I don't have tenure."

Many freshly minted Ph.D.'s set their sights on the prestige of a tenured position, and all that working for one entails, but other scholars are looking for something different. Paula P. Lemons, who received her Ph.D. in biochemistry, came to Duke in 1999 as a teaching postdoc.

"I got my Ph.D. because I wanted to teach," she says. She considered applying to liberal-arts colleges where she would have lots of contact with undergraduates. Then a professor-of-the-practice slot opened up in Duke's biology department. She got the job.

Ms. Lemons coordinates the introductory-biology program, in which she teaches, and administers a training program for aspiring biology professors. "Research is too frustrating," she says. "In biochemistry, I had to wait too long for gratification. For me, teaching is so much more gratifying."

Plus, she says, "I don't feel the threat of the tenure knife."

Beyond Duke

Despite the satisfaction of many professors and administrators at Duke, some faculty groups worry that creating an additional track of nontenured professors spells bad news for the profession. Richard Moser, an associate secretary at the AAUP, says that the organization would support an arrangement like Duke's only if it represented an incremental step toward tenure for adjunct faculty members.

Without tenure, he says, professors cannot freely question university practices and policies, and they have no true job security. (A Duke administrator says fewer than 10 professors have been let go since the Duke program's inception, and most had to leave because of programmatic changes.)

Mr. Moser says separating professors into ranks based on their research and teaching activities would lead to a plantation-style system.

But what if all sides seem to be content with the arrangements, as they are at Duke? "Were there happy slaves? Sure," says Mr. Moser. "Our concern is the health of the institutions over all."

Mr. Hoeller, the adjunct organizer, says it is irrelevant whether professors in those positions are happy: "Most newlyweds are quite happy, too, especially on their honeymoons," he says. He worries about what happens after the honeymoon is over.

When conflicts arise with part-time and non-tenure-track faculty members, Mr. Hoeller says, safeguards for academic freedom -- including due process, grievance procedures, and rights to appeal -- become essential. Tenure, he argues, is the surest guarantee of academic freedom. "When you undercut tenure, you also undercut the mission of the university," he says.

At a large research university like NYU, a class of non-tenure-track professors devoted to teaching would offer great benefits, counters Mr. Sexton, the university's president. In a position paper he wrote last summer, he introduced his ideas on the matter, which he calls "a work in progress."

He has already hired about a dozen "teaching professors," who are similar to professors of the practice, as well as about 20 "global professors," distinguished professors from abroad who commit some time to the university. He is considering creating "cyberprofessors" and "arts professors." While those jobs haven't been fully fleshed out yet, they would be full-time, non-tenure-track positions for people with particular skills in technology or the performing arts.

Teaching professors, he argues, would come into play in cases where tenured professors were not up to certain tasks. Some tenured professors "who are brilliant in seminars, are ineffective in large classes," he writes. "Some who are brilliant with students whose basic and intermediate skills have been carefully honed would be disasters in introductory courses."

He envisions one- to three-year contracts initially for teaching professors, then three- to six-year contracts, with the possibility of further renewal. "We're not viewing this as a relationship that has to end," says Mr. Sexton.

Mosette Broderick, a teaching professor, teaches urban design and architecture at NYU. He has been an adjunct and then a lecturer at NYU for 20 years but was recently given his current title, clinical associate professor of fine arts. He has a three-year contract but understands that he can work until he retires as long as he performs well.

Mr. Broderick concentrates on teaching, advising, and helping his students get jobs in urban design. "You end up spending a lot of time with students," he says, because "the superstars don't do it."

NYU's global professors commit at least a few months a year to the university on a continuing basis and spend their time teaching, advising, collaborating with other faculty members, or pursuing other activities depending on their interests.

For each new category of professor, Mr. Sexton expects to tailor relationships to the idiosyncrasies of the discipline, as Duke has. He says there will be no attempt to impose a uniform set of standards and rights, although NYU would create floors for benefits like salary.

The changes would be healthy for the faculty, he says. More and more, "highly talented people are going to want different plans at different times," he says. "We are trying to celebrate that."

--There is also a letter to the editor from a Duke admin saying the article is wrong in that POPs are required to conduct research/publish too, just at different levels


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"I find it to be insulting to my time, effort and accomplishments that someone with no academic experience can slide into a faculty position (tenure track or not) and assume the title of "Professor." "

We take exception to your exception, Sir.  We are highly educated perfessionals, and if the president wants us to be PROFESSORS,  that's the way it is.  You'd better get used to it.  In fact, you might want to get a head start on the rest of your colleagues and practice saying "President Lassen" and "Provost Malone."

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Originally posted by: insulted

"As a faculty member who was once mistreated during the promotion process, I take great exception to the title "Professor of Practice." I find it to be insulting to my time, effort and accomplishments that someone with no academic experience can slide into a facult yposition (tenure track or not) and assume the title of "Professor." Anyone who has had to endure the arbitrary promotion process at USM should object to this designation because it belittles what those with real rank have worked hard to achieve. Even though most members of the general public would not know the difference, one should not refer to her/himself as a "professor" when, in fact, they are an assistant or associate professor. Before beginning the promotion process I would not have taken such a traditional stance on the matter, but now I have a better appreciation for the work that goes into earning the title. It's just plain wrong for someone else to "assume" such status without having earned it in the academic sense. When I recently heard of such an appointment I suggested that the title be appropriately renamed "assistant professor of practice." Just my two cents."


insulted,


Your comments illustrate but one problem with the "double standard" model described on this thread. If you are unhappy with such a prospect, think how unhappy those who are appointed on a full-time basis with the title "Professor Practice" or "Clinical Professor" will be once they have experienced that status for awhile. They will initially accept the position with zest and enthusiasm, but as time passes they will realize they are the ugly product of an academic "caste system."


The caste system didn't work in India, and it didn't work in South Africa. It didn't  work in America during the pre- civil rights area. It didn't work when women were deprived the right to vote.


These full-time "professors of practice or "clinical professors" (by whatever name they might be called) will soon learn that they second-class citizens in their department. They will probably not be allowed to vote on important personnel or other matters. They will feel deprived of their departmental citizenship and are nothing more than temporary members of the department family and their status within the family will be determined by a special kind vote to which the other family members are not subjected.


Such a caste system may be ininially less expensive to the university, but in the long run it will be very costly in terms of the ill will and disgruntlement that will surely occur as time passes. These types of appointments are just fine in medical schools where competent practitioners from the community are appointed on a part-time basis and the system works very well there. But on a full-time basis in a university setting this double-standard caste-system model is a model for disaster.



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This professor of practice or clinical professor model is precisely what has been proposed as a first step for abolishing the concept of tenure - multiple 5-year renewable appointments. It may be good for the administration, but it is not good for the faculty or - most importantly - for the students who are being largely stripped of the reason they chose a major university: contact with scholars in their respective disciplines. I'd prefer to take an English course with a Gary Stringer, a Noel Polk, a D.C. Berry, or an Anne Wallace than with somebody who had only read their works. Otherwise, I'd prefer a small liberal arts college who knows me and who cares. Under the professor of practice model, schools like USM lose their advantage.

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Actually, the clinical (or practice) positions would provide an equitable opportunity for terminally qualified fculty to rise to prestigious universities more quickly. Top-notch teachers could get a job at a Tier 1 school, where they could teach "better" students and receive better pay. Top-notch researchers would still have the opportunity to take tenure-track posts at universities, where they would have job security while conducting research. Not-so-good teachers who are also not-so-good researchers would have a harder time obtaining those plum positions at higher tiers based solely on pedigree (which is usually the case now).



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A key role for accrediting agencies is to define and monitor quality standards for professors.  Otherwise, diploma mills might just find a way to take advantage of the market demand for professors.



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Originally posted by: Equity Theory
"Actually, the clinical (or practice) positions would provide an equitable opportunity for terminally qualified faculty to rise to prestigious universities more quickly.


But as second-class citizens in a caste system.


Top-notch researchers would still have the opportunity to take tenure-track posts at universities, where they would have job security. .


But the purpose is not "job security." Tenure is designed to protect academic freedom.


Not-so-good teachers who are also not-so-good researchers would have a harder time obtaining those plum positions at higher tiers based solely on pedigree (which is usually the case now). "


This statement I agree with. I see no relationship between the prestige of the university where one receives their Ph.D. and later academic productivity. Having a doctorate from a prestigious university, all other things equal, does make it easier to obtain a job at a higher tier university, but I have seen numerous Ivy league types totally bomb out in academics while their low prestige colleagues thrive. The same is true for prospective graduate students. I've seen no overall difference in graduate school performance of the two groups.






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