where's Doty's 2nd offer? - USM Forum -- Message Board

Date: Mar 29, 2005

where's Doty's 2nd offer?

Date: Mar 29, 2005

I just got to this thread. I know Doty. You don't want him around after the Thames affair is over. Trust me.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

It's one thing to say that one does not shout at one's own family on the lawn, my dear Monique. But, as you well know from your days in my class, it is also considered impolite to peer through the windows of the neighbor's house and then make widespread commentary among the neighbors about the matters seen.

Dr. Doty's helping the cause 'this once' was, my child, a very good thing indeed. But, just because he has a beautiful rose garden that graces the entire neighborhood, we should not ignore the family when they tell us that he is beating them inside the house. It is not good to make observations too personal, either in lionizing Doty nor in demonizing others. Support (or attack) the behavior and not the individual, or I shall have to get my ruler out and blister a few hands. And you, Mlle de Guerre have been on the receiving end of that ruler more than once. Now, straighten your epaulets on your uniform and get to class, young lady.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

All the more reason to publicize Faculty Senate Pres Dave Beckett's reasoned response. A nice bit of "free advertising" given how easy it would be for Thames supporters to outspend us. Thanks HA.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

If you want to know how the CoB faculty really feel about Doty why don't you FOIA the Faculty Senate evaluations of Doty. The FS evaluations are not really personnel documents, were generated with public money, and thus are public records. When you speak with the facts, you'll probably discover that most of the CoB faculty support Doty. The real talk in the halls is that he is doing a pretty good job under difficult conditions.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Invictus
"I don't care if Doty has halitosis, bromidrosis or kicks his dog. He stood up to Thames like few others have -- and won a concession. In the heat of battle (metaphor alert) one selects one's allies based on the direction in which they are firing."

You're right, and we're lining up behind Pood to keep him as COAL Dean when all this is over because he wrote a wonderful public op-ed piece in the HA defending his college and the university. He's a great dean (never mind that I don't know about anything actually going on with him inside the COAL)!!! We're behind him all the way.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Biz Ed
"You're right, and we're lining up behind Pood to keep him as COAL Dean when all this is over because he wrote a wonderful public op-ed piece in the HA defending his college and the university. He's a great dean (never mind that I don't know about anything actually going on with him inside the COAL)!!! We're behind him all the way."

Don't know of anyone in CoAL who would agree with this--Biz Ed alias E. Pood?

Date: Mar 29, 2005

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Originally posted by: D. Thomas
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Don't know of anyone in CoAL who would agree with this--Biz Ed alias E. Pood?"

Just thought of this...while mentions of Doty on this board always seem to elicit a vareity of responses (all very passionate, though, I might add), mentions of Pood always elicit the same response...and it's not very positive. I've never seen one defense of Pood on this board that I can remember. Someone please point it out if I've missed it.

Pro-Pood faction, here's your chance to speak up!

Date: Mar 29, 2005

Biz Ed was being sarcastic, making a point about non bidness faculty's support of Doty on campus. Read the prior posts and you'll see it.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: new to scene
"I just got to this thread. I know Doty. You don't want him around after the Thames affair is over. Trust me."

I must be on the wrong board this morning. Or maybe some other posters are on the wrong board. I have no interest in the personal squabbles of COB.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Road Map
"I must be on the wrong board this morning. Or maybe some other posters are on the wrong board. I have no interest in the personal squabbles of COB. "

Is that right?

Well, then, I don't want to hear another word about Pood, Fos, Gandy, etc., on this board. Those of us not in CoAL don't care about what Pood does or who he does it to unless it's to help get Thames out. When this is all over, you can deal with them on your own.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Sister Mary David
"It's one thing to say that one does not shout at one's own family on the lawn, my dear Monique. But, as you well know from your days in my class, it is also considered impolite to peer through the windows of the neighbor's house and then make widespread commentary among the neighbors about the matters seen.

Dr. Doty's helping the cause 'this once' was, my child, a very good thing indeed. But, just because he has a beautiful rose garden that graces the entire neighborhood, we should not ignore the family when they tell us that he is beating them inside the house. It is not good to make observations too personal, either in lionizing Doty nor in demonizing others. Support (or attack) the behavior and not the individual, or I shall have to get my ruler out and blister a few hands. And you, Mlle de Guerre have been on the receiving end of that ruler more than once. Now, straighten your epaulets on your uniform and get to class, young lady."

Mlle de Guerre has asked me to respond to this message on her behalf. She is not amused. She begs to remind all that she is not a "young lady" and that she was never in your class, having been educated abroad. Furthermore, she does not permit herself to be spoken to in such a fashion, particularly when she is "on your side."

Mlle de Guerre states that she will henceforth not make any comments related to situations within the College of Business, as such remarks are clearly neither desired nor appreciated.

She made some further comments about your ruler, but they were in French and you probably would not want me to translate them.

On my own behalf, I would remind all that Mlle de Guerre regards herself as a friend and one who seeks only to boost morale within the Resistance. She does not wish to sow discord, but only to amuse and to make a point thereby. We shall confine ourselves to the "humanities" threads from now on. Excuse me, it is time to walk Dervish.

Sincerely,

Hermione Angleterre, Social Secretary to Monique de Guerre

Date: Mar 29, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: BS detector
"If you want to know how the CoB faculty really feel about Doty why don't you FOIA the Faculty Senate evaluations of Doty. The FS evaluations are not really personnel documents, were generated with public money, and thus are public records. When you speak with the facts, you'll probably discover that most of the CoB faculty support Doty. The real talk in the halls is that he is doing a pretty good job under difficult conditions. "

Doty has strong support in COB among the faculty and staff with only a few exceptions. The exceptions tend to be concentrated in economics and finance for whatever reason. I failed to see how anyone would do a better job under the current conditions.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: also inside business
" Doty has strong support in COB among the faculty and staff with only a few exceptions. The exceptions tend to be concentrated in economics and finance for whatever reason. I failed to see how anyone would do a better job under the current conditions. "

So the exceptions are concentrated inside the college's best department. What does that mean?

Date: Mar 29, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: question
"So the exceptions are concentrated inside the college's best department. What does that mean?"

It may suggest that you have a rather jaundiced view of what is the best department.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: also inside business
"It may suggest that you have a rather jaundiced view of what is the best department."

If you're not willing to stipulate to that, then your credibility is zero.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

Has no one found out where Doty's second offer is from???

Date: Mar 29, 2005

how about Bushardt for new COB dean? he has dept chair experience and has been there a long time.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Outside Observer
"Has no one found out where Doty's second offer is from???"

Yup. Doty's in line for the presidency at Harvard, provided that the faculty is ultimately successful in getting rid of Summers.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: also inside business
" Doty has strong support in COB among the faculty and staff with only a few exceptions. The exceptions tend to be concentrated in economics and finance for whatever reason. I failed to see how anyone would do a better job under the current conditions. "

I'm not in economics or finance. Doty doesn't have much support in my department either. Everyone tries to put the best face on working with him because we all know what he will do if we don't.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: busyprof
"how about Bushardt for new COB dean? he has dept chair experience and has been there a long time."

Not even close. Farhang Niroomand is the clear choice for dean.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

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Originally posted by: Loyalty
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Not even close. Farhang Niroomand is the clear choice for dean."

i SURELY HOPE YOU AREN'T IN CHARGE OF HIRING.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

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Originally posted by: CoB Insider
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i SURELY HOPE YOU AREN'T IN CHARGE OF HIRING."

Why? Name someone else with the experience and connections? There is no one. Even if there was someone with experience, he is still the best choice.

Date: Mar 29, 2005

OK, here are the reasons why not:

1. His health is not good. He has had serious heart problems for a couple of years, and he has not had a "clean" rehab from heart surgery.

2. He has made enemies with Thames and Co. as of late. This includes telling SFT that he was wrong in his opinion of the CoB to his face. While admirable, that won't bode well for his future ability to get things done.

3. Most of Farhang's political capital is held with Cynthia Easterling-Moore, and that ain't worth what it used to be.

4. Farhang has played politics in the CoB for too long. He wouldn't have a smooth ride at building consensus.

I could go on, but I won't.