Don't be fooled by the time at the bottom of the entry--I posted it then, took time off for dinner, etc., and when I came back I saw Amy's report, so I did some real quick editing. Trust me, I'm not prescient
There is no doubt that the news is favorable, even though so much remains to be done.
Nearly a year of lame-duck status for Thames is now possible, during which major efforts will be necessary to neutralize his remaining capacity to do harm.
I hate to throw cold water on your optimistic blog, but some one I know who recently spoke with a board member reported that half of the board was still prone to give Shelby a second term. I can't divulge my source, but s/he is reliable. (I am not a troll.)
Invictus recently said that the Board may still be divided 6-6 on Thames.
But what's been happening over the last couple of months is not working in Klumb, Ross, and Colbert's favor.
In fact, if the Board really goes to 1-year-terms and gives the Commissioner the power to fire presidents, 4-year second terms will no longer exist. Of course the Board will influence the Commissioner's decisions, but the Commissioner will be available to absorb some heat from certain constituencies who are offended when "their" guy is removed from office.
Meanwhile, do you think the recent stunt organized by Mixon, Drews, Lacy, Rouse et al. helped or hurt Thames' prospects of retaining power? Or that they would even have pulled the stunt, if they were sure that the Board was going to support him?
By the way, I wouldn't call my entry optimistic overall. Thames has done terrific harm, and as a lame duck, he could still do more. It just isn't 100% wreckage and decay .
Robert Campbell
PS. There's no doubt that the pressure must be kept on Thames. I really really hope the Faculty Senate will quit giving any of his underlings a free pass. Malone, Lassen, even Exline need to feel the heat now.
quote: Originally posted by: Arnold "I hate to throw cold water on your optimistic blog, but some one I know who recently spoke with a board member reported that half of the board was still prone to give Shelby a second term. I can't divulge my source, but s/he is reliable. (I am not a troll.)"
Reliable, perhaps. The same old story over and over. But valid? That's another story.
Do any of the posters you invite to your office or to Javawerks ever show up? Just curious. We can start the "Stephen buys trolls capuccino" fund, if needed.
quote: Originally posted by: Arnold "Hey Stephen, Do any of the posters you invite to your office or to Javawerks ever show up? Just curious. We can start the "Stephen buys trolls capuccino" fund, if needed."
No . . . .
Maybe I should start a "Saturday with Stephen" over at Javawerks . . .
They never do show up.
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quote: Originally posted by: stephen judd " No . . . . Maybe I should start a "Saturday with Stephen" over at Javawerks . . . They never do show up. "
Saturday at SEVEN or SIX with Stephen. I, alas, can hold no such meeting - unless I use words such as elephant, emu, electricity, England, eegads, egocentric, egret, or perhaps El Paso?
quote: Originally posted by: stephen judd " No . . . . Maybe I should start a "Saturday with Stephen" over at Javawerks . . . They never do show up.
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Perhaps it is that you arise too early, mon cher? One would have to be very passionate to arise before the dawn and arrange one's diamonds just so. Also, it is a sad fact that JavaWerks does not serve mimosas. One has requirements . . .
All that sunshine can be a bit daunting for some ladies, although I do believe that our dear USM needs a very big dose of sunshine in several areas. You are a public university. Nothing you do should be hidden. If it is a secret, dear administrators, what do you fear? Truth will out, as they say. Perhaps soon we shall have a day as in that charming song, "Today is a day of reckoning."
you don't know her or her strengths or what motivates her to keep doing her job. All you care about is who she reports to and feeding the lies. That isn't right. Why don't you wait and see what the outcome is rather than passing judgement and trying to get people to work against her?
You don't work here so you don't care what happens to us. Without her efforts, we would be likely to lose accreditation. Look at the mess Brad Bond left us in. If we lose accreditation, we lose our jobs.
quote: Originally posted by: Get Real "you don't know her or her strengths or what motivates her to keep doing her job. All you care about is who she reports to and feeding the lies. That isn't right. Why don't you wait and see what the outcome is rather than passing judgement and trying to get people to work against her? You don't work here so you don't care what happens to us. Without her efforts, we would be likely to lose accreditation. Look at the mess Brad Bond left us in. If we lose accreditation, we lose our jobs."
GR,
I'm not sure where you're coming from here.
People whose judgment on the subject I trust have reported that Exline has very little experience dealing with accreditation in general, or SACS in particular.
And I'm not sure what you mean by "feeding the lies."
What I do know is that USM will not emerge from probation without the hard work of large numbers of faculty members who, it appears, will get few thanks from Joan Exline, and none at all from her boss, Shelby Thames.
Nor will USM emerge from probation without Richard Crofts (or his successor) continuing to restrain Shelby Thames. As long as Thames has any degrees of freedom, he and certain of his underlings will undertake further actions that endanger USM's accreditation.
To my knowledge none of those hard-working faculty are working against Exline. But many of them are working against Thames. If they do not work against him, USM will go down the toilet--in fact, it may become history altogether.
The time will come--it could come soon--when Exline will have to decide whether her primary goal is to help get USM off probation and properly positioned for the next accreditation cycle, or her primary goal is to preserve the Shelby Thames regime. Those goals are incompatible.
Robert Campbell
PS. I have no idea whether Brad Bond had the aptitude or the experience needed to deal with SACS accreditation. What's obvious is that he was thrown the assignment by a president who thought SACS was scarcely worthy of his attention.
quote: Originally posted by: Robert Campbell "PS. I have no idea whether Brad Bond had the aptitude or the experience needed to deal with SACS accreditation. What's obvious is that he was thrown the assignment by a president who thought SACS was scarcely worthy of his attention."
My insider information was that (Assistant Provost) Brad Bond was put in charge of SACs, then for whatever reason, fired/removed/or let go as assistant provost. This happened (according to my sources for no reason) less than three months after, Joan Exline come into power. This raises the question was Brad Bond removed so Exline could have the new job title with the assignment of accreditation issues? Who "stabbed" Brad Bond in the back??????? Lo and behold, Exline takes over a new title as assistant to the president in charge of accreditation and to her surprise SACs comes down with it's probation......
in 2001 brad bond was made assistant to the provost, and his primary responsibilities were the same as Joan Exline's are now. he was made assistant to the provost by Andy Griffin, who was interim provost then. this was during the Fleming administration. brad formed the first university planning and assessment committee about 3 years ago, joan exline was co-chair of that committee. so brad was involved with SACS (including going to SACS conventions) since 2001. don't know why he stepped down.
quote: Originally posted by: stinky cheese man "in 2001 brad bond was made assistant to the provost, and his primary responsibilities were the same as Joan Exline's are now. he was made assistant to the provost by Andy Griffin, who was interim provost then. this was during the Fleming administration. brad formed the first university planning and assessment committee about 3 years ago, joan exline was co-chair of that committee. so brad was involved with SACS (including going to SACS conventions) since 2001. don't know why he stepped down. "
My sources indicate he was promoted to assistant provost summer or fall 2004 and then he returned to faculty. Insiders have informed me he was demoted (or fired) not long after his promotion and he returned to his faculty teaching position............
i don't know when he was made assistant provost, but prior to that he was assistant to the provost. occurred in 2001. andy griffin made the appointment. responsibilities were for SACS.