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Date: Mar 17, 2005

Please change the title of my letter

Date: Mar 17, 2005

ssDude,

I think this board fairly represents faculty opinion. Otherwise, how do you explain the overwhelmningly negative votes against SFT by the full faculty last year, and by the faculty senate last year and this year? How do you explain the fact that SFT routinely loses in public opinion polls by margins of over 90% (I think it's safe to assume that many of the people who vote in these polls are faculty, since they are the ones most affected by SFT's rule).

What would YOU advise that faculty opposed to SFT should do instead? You concede that SFT may be on his way out; would you say that this board, and the continuous pressure it has helped generate, has had nothing to do with helping to further that possible result?

You write as if this board has generated ill-will in the community, but you do not mention that much ill-will against the faculty has been expressed by members of the community, and that much of it seems to have existed long before this board was ever created or even imagined.

What has the faculty (or even a small segment of the faculty) done that could possibly harm the community in the ways that the actions of a small segment of the community have already harmed faculty, staff, and students? What power does the faculty have over the community except as consumers who may choose to direct their patronage to businesses that do not attack the faculty?

Forgive me, but I think you have a very lop-sided view of what has been happening at USM and in Hattiesburg over the last several years. I welcome your response so I can understand your position better than I apparently do.

Date: Mar 17, 2005

You should stop blurring the AAUP-USM with the rest of the faculty. The faculty senate leader should have gotten her letters approved by the full faculty senate before she mailed them. That is, the letters should be voted on first. Her letters—and her posts here—make it look as though she speaks for all the faculty. The new speaker should not make the same mistakes his predecessor did. People should stop using their real names here. It makes it look like this really is a faculty hangout. Some of the things you say here make USM look very bad.

Where to begin...?

It's freedom of speech. I have the right to it, you the right to it, the faculty senate leader, the entire faculty senate and so does everyone else.

You also think people should stop using their real names here. But don't you want the faculty senate leader to make a distinction that her letters and posts are HER OWN ideas and not that of a group? I think you do, so therefore, you should support using real names here so that we can all put a name with a post, so to speak, and not worry about possible incorrect generalizations, like yours.

There are several posters on here who make no attempt to appear as faculty members. I can't think of a reason to pretend that one is a poor factulty member still here sifting through the mess. It's not exactly the hip thing to do.

So, in conclusion, this a public message board, and everyone here is entitled to his or her own opinion whatever that may be.

Date: Mar 17, 2005

quote:

Originally posted by: ssDude
"...After reading your replies it is clear to me that the damage to the reputation of the faculty has been caused by a few people—most of whom seem to be friends of the two fired professors.

Opps, you forgot to supply your reason or evidence for this, troll. Below you admit to making assumptions based on little or no evidence.

I have been at USM for almost five years, but I came here and thought this was a faculty hangout. I know better now. I also assumed that the negative letters and smear opinions in the Hattiesburg American were a product of the faculty. This was clearly wrong too. If I made all these false assumptions, even after being here for five years, imagine what non-USM members of the community think about your actions.

Why do you think others make faulty assumptions based on no evidence? People can and do reason, even if that is too much troble for you, troll.

Imagine how you are confusing them.

If they are using your methods of reasoning, they don't need anyone's help in confusing them, troll.

There is no doubt in my mind that you will succeed in getting Thames removed, but the damage you do to the reputation of the faculty and USM will be unforgiving and difficult to repair.

Opps, you forgot to point out what damage to USM the faculty or AAUP is causing USM. All you did was show that people who don't or can't think clearly may confuse themselves, troll.

With your future tactics, you should take care to distinguish yourself from the real faculty, especially those who care about USM. You should stop blurring the AAUP-USM with the rest of the faculty.

Please remember, only you did that,troll, because you made assumptions not based on evidence.

The faculty senate leader should have gotten her letters approved by the full faculty senate before she mailed them. That is, the letters should be voted on first. Her letters—and her posts here—make it look as though she speaks for all the faculty.

Here you go again. The Faculty Senate president is male. He was given permission by the senate to compose letters for the senate on certain issues. Boy, how do you get so confused, troll?

The new speaker should not make the same mistakes his predecessor did. People should stop using their real names here. It makes it look like this really is a faculty hangout. Some of the things you say here make USM look very bad.

In what way? Be specific.

The sad thing about this misconception people have about you, as most all of you have admitted, is that you are not faculty. The misconception that you are creating is unfair. "

But you admitted above that the misconception was caused by your assumptions that wasn't based on evidence. Stupid people do stupid things by definition.

By folks, I'm on vacation for a few days.

Date: Mar 17, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: 4th Tier--Need a Beer
" But don't you want the faculty senate leader to make a distinction that her letters and posts are HER OWN ideas and not that of a group? "

Just an FYI, as Reporter already pointed out...the USM Faculty Senate president is Dave Beckett (a man) and the USM-AAUP president is Amy Young (a woman). These are two very distinct organizations at USM.

Date: Mar 17, 2005

Terribly sorry. I was a little flustered while posting and ignored that detail. I noticed it after I hit 'submit'

Date: Mar 17, 2005

Safe travels, Reporter. I also want to add my thanks to that of an earlier poster (on a different thread) for all that you do for us.

No Quarter!

Date: Mar 17, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: 4th Tier--Need a Beer
"Terribly sorry. I was a little flustered while posting and ignored that detail. I noticed it after I hit 'submit'"

No problem, just didn't want to be part of the vast conspiracy to confuse everyone!

Date: Mar 17, 2005

ssDude,

If you are willing to address the questions I raised and the points I made, perhaps people will begin to re-think their suspicions that you are a troll. I encourage you to respond to the questions and points I raised. I think you'll find that people on this board are desperate for honest dialogue with persons who may disagree with them, provided that those persons are sincerely motivated.