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Date: Mar 4, 2005

Real Issues

Date: Mar 4, 2005

From a purely pragmatic standpoint, those points are totally valid. They do, however, represent only one side of the pragmatic argument. Mississippi is poor, and Mississippi needs economic development more than it needs art appreciation. Perhaps when Mississippi gets out of a financial bind, then it can afford to provide a more cultural education to its residents.

However, if we provide a cultural education to residents, then the population will become more cultured, and it would value education more and would agree to taxation for supporting education.

From an idealistic standpoint, those points are appalling. However, you are fighting ideals with ideals. Klumb, et. al., are shouting them from the rooftops while USM faculty are, by comparison, quiet as church mice.

Date: Mar 4, 2005

FireShelby website - halfway down p.9

Date: Mar 4, 2005

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Date: Mar 4, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Ted Jefferson, Thomas' more pragmatic brother
"From a purely pragmatic standpoint, those points are totally valid. They do, however, represent only one side of the pragmatic argument. Mississippi is poor, and Mississippi needs economic development more than it needs art appreciation. Perhaps when Mississippi gets out of a financial bind, then it can afford to provide a more cultural education to its residents.
"

There was a study done that showed the the arts brought millions of dollars into the community.
You want people to come to an area--it needs to have something there in addition to golf courses.

Date: Mar 4, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: foot soldier
" There was a study done that showed the the arts brought millions of dollars into the community. You want people to come to an area--it needs to have something there in addition to golf courses. "

well shelby did his part, he closed a golf course. addition/deletion shelby is always ready to do HIS part for economic development

Date: Mar 4, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Welcome Back Otherside
"FireShelby website - halfway down p.9"

Welcome Back,

I looked on page 9 of the FS site, but I don't know what I'm looking for. Hints please.

Date: Mar 4, 2005

The original Real Issues thread, originally posted by Otherside, is found on the FireShelby link from the sticky section at the top of the AAUP message board. Once in the old FS site, it is on page 9. Many of the responses to your original post are also found at the bottom of page 67 on this website in a thread called Best Pieces by USM Sympathizer.

Date: Mar 4, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: WBO
"The original Real Issues thread, originally posted by Otherside, is found on the FireShelby link from the sticky section at the top of the AAUP message board. Once in the old FS site, it is on page 9. Many of the responses to your original post are also found at the bottom of page 67 on this website in a thread called Best Pieces by USM Sympathizer."

That's odd. When I check the FS site the "Real Issues" thread is on page one about 3/4 of the way down. Maybe we have our browsers on different settings. Yes, I'm familiar with the "Best Pieces". It's all good reading.

Date: Mar 5, 2005

Kicked to get Robert Campbells comments.

Date: Mar 5, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: Otherside
"That's odd. When I check the FS site the "Real Issues" thread is on page one about 3/4 of the way down. Maybe we have our browsers on different settings. Yes, I'm familiar with the "Best Pieces". It's all good reading."

My mistake, I sorted by "started by" to find it and that's how it came up on p.9. Sorry for the confusion.

Date: Mar 5, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: WBO
"My mistake, I sorted by "started by" to find it and that's how it came up on p.9. Sorry for the confusion."

Thanks WBO. Now I'm getting worried when read the paper that my speculations that began the Real Issues thread may have given the local business leaders ideas. Its scary if my fun speculations were really what they were planning. Where are the intellectuals in this state?

Date: Mar 5, 2005

I didn't think you posted "fun speculations" last spring. Your posts were not casual then and I'm guessing they are not casual now, especially after six months of being MIA. Your "real issues" weren't so far-fetched at the time, nor were the responses that you received. Open dialogue and open decision making, even if it is not in the direction some of us would choose to go, is legitimate. What is not legitimate is deal-making in the dark. Certainly you would agree?

Date: Mar 5, 2005

quote:
Originally posted by: WBO
"I didn't think you posted "fun speculations" last spring. Your posts were not casual then and I'm guessing they are not casual now, especially after six months of being MIA. Your "real issues" weren't so far-fetched at the time, nor were the responses that you received. Open dialogue and open decision making, even if it is not in the direction some of us would choose to go, is legitimate. What is not legitimate is deal-making in the dark. Certainly you would agree?"

Yes, WBO, you are right. And I was serious about those speculations. The real value are the rebuttals that really need to be reread and used to counter this latest anti-Liberal Arts outbreak. I wish there were some way to get the "community leaders" attending that meeting at the Coke plant to read those rebuttals to their anti-intellectual mentality.