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Angeline

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Link: http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050216/OPINION01/502160310/1014/OPINION

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Angeline

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Choice excerpts:


We disagree that the public should have been shut out of knowing what's at stake in the matter.

No other Mississippi public university has received SACS probation in more than 20 years, according to College Board records. If Southern Miss loses its accreditation, the damage to the university and the community which relies on the university would be profound.

Southern Miss President Shelby F. Thames was forwarded a copy of Grimes' letter on Feb. 3. When questioned about it, Thames said he wouldn't do anything to jeopardize Southern Miss' accreditation. Why, then, did it take nearly a week and a stern warning from Crofts before he issued a statement backing away from Grimes' directive?

Internal politics are often of little interest to the public. But when internal moves at a public institution can potentially harm the school and the economy, taxpayers need to know what's happening.



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Robert Campbell

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Angeline,


I was wondering when the Hat Am's editorial board was going to make a statement.


They're not saying Thames has to go, but they are delivering a rebuke to him and his PR machine.


That will be more than enough for now.


Robert Campbell



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In the News

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An incredibly well-written and effective editorial - one that the average person will understand. And very well timed too. This is a late Christmas present if I ever saw one.

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In the News

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And when I say "average person" I am referring to the majority of people who simply are not familiar with the way universities operate internally, or how accreditation works.

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email?

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How can we make sure Crofts and the IHL see this?  Do we have Croft's direct email address?  I'm skeptical of sending things through Ms. Sharpe with the hopes it finds its way to the other folks...

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CL, where are you?

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This on top of Kevin Walter's opening paragraph on Saturday, repeated in the SH on Sunday:


The state College Board's interim commissioner says the University of Southern Mississippi risked losing its overall accreditation and an almost certain loss of accreditation for its College of Business if instructions from interim provost Jay Grimes had been followed by business dean Harold Doty.


could not come at a more opportune time.  Now the question is when is the CL going to weigh in...



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Angeline

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Now the question is when is the CL going to weigh in...


They already did last week - check back through the threads - they called for Shelby's retirement.



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Angeline

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Originally posted by: Angeline

"Now the question is when is the CL going to weigh in... They already did last week - check back through the threads - they called for Shelby's retirement."


Here it is, from February 8:




 http://clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050208/OPINION01 /502080308/1008/OPINION


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University of Southern Mississippi President Shelby Thames says he's not considering retirement. "Why would I retire?" asks Thames, who turns 69 in August.

But the controversial USM president — and the College Board — should be looking toward his retirement.

The USM Faculty Senate voted 39-2 to ask the College Board to begin searching for his successor



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anyone?, anyone?

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Originally posted by: email?

"How can we make sure Crofts and the IHL see this?  Do we have Croft's direct email address?  I'm skeptical of sending things through Ms. Sharpe with the hopes it finds its way to the other folks..."


Does anyone answer this?


 



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Angeline

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Ask Google and you shall know:


Mississippi
Mississippi State Institutions of Higher Learning (G)
Richard Crofts, Interim Commissioner of Higher Education
Board of Trustees
3825 Ridgewood Road
Jackson, Mississippi 39211
Telephone: 601-432-6623
Fax: 601-432-6972
rcrofts@ihl.state.ms.us
www.ihl.state.ms.us/



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LVN

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I guess you mean "slurs." No editorial in any newspaper is signed. It is assumed that it is written by the editorial page editor, or a board. The HA's editorial page editor is named Rich Campbell. The paper is not trying to be anonymous.

By the way, apparently you forgot that the loudest voice calling for public disclosure during the Glamser-Stringer situation, was none other than Shelby Thames. You need to brush up on your history.

The bees don't gather pollen on the USM campus without SFT's knowledge and permission. This whole Grimes debacle is his baby.

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USM Sympathizer

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"The bees don't gather pollen on the USM campus without SFT's knowledge and permission."


Surely this sentence deserves some kind of award!



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Hard Copy

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There's a shaded box in the hard copy of the editorial that is not in the on-line version.  It reads:


"Southern Miss


When internal decisions at a public institution can harm the school and the area, taxpayers need to know what's happening."


Kudos to opinion page editor Rich Campbell.


 



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Invictus

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Originally posted by: LVN

"The bees don't gather pollen on the USM campus without SFT's knowledge and permission. "


Actually, this is not now true. It was true many years ago, but the bees got wise & equipped themselves with stingers.

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Robert Campbell

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Originally posted by: Mr. Fidelity

"What I want to know is why the HA keeps running these obvious smurs but do not sign any names to them? They should not be anonymous. That takes away credibility. They keep this up and the HA will be no better than that sophomoric Independent."


You seem to be unaware of the way that daily newspapers handle editorials.

Perhaps, too, you don't realize that the local newspaper, in a town the size of Hattiesburg, rarely do anything to antagonize the local establishment--which includes the administration of the loclal university.

The person you ought to be asking questions about is Shelby Thames. How did he manage to antagonize the editorial board of the Hattiesburg American? That is really, really hard for a university president to do.

But then it is really, really hard for the president of a national university to screw up so badly that the institution gets put on probation by its accrediting body--and Thames has managed to do that, too.

Robert Campbell

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Mr. Wonderful

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Originally posted by: USM Sympathizer

" Surely this sentence deserves some kind of award!"

Duly noted.

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Pool Shark

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Originally posted by: Mr. Fidelity

" Right, LVN,  I wonder what hand you have played in all these letters to the newspapers?"

LVN, this guy seems to think you have the Hattiesburg American in your pocket

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LVN

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Boy, will Rich Campbell be surprised!! I don't even write letters. Which ones did I orchestrate??

I am "happy" about SACS probation? I am "happy" that a school I care about and many of my friends' careers are in jeapordy? Sheesh. . .

And, I don't think my old department caused the situation. I think the administration's lack of attention and lack of leadership caused the situation.

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Board Buddy

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Originally posted by: LVN

"Boy, will Rich Campbell be surprised!! I don't even write letters. Which ones did I orchestrate?? I am "happy" about SACS probation? I am "happy" that a school I care about and many of my friends' careers are in jeapordy? Sheesh. . . And, I don't think my old department caused the situation. I think the administration's lack of attention and lack of leadership caused the situation."

Well, you know I'm a true blue friend because I liked you BEFORE I knew how influential you were!

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Invictus

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Originally posted by: Mr. Fidelity

"What I want to know is why the HA keeps running these obvious smurs but do not sign any names to them? They should not be anonymous. That takes away credibility. They keep this up and the HA will be no better than that sophomoric Independent."


It is called an "editorial," MF. (Why do these trolls keep picking aliases that make such great acronyms?) It is written by the staff of the paper. I thought most folks who've completed the 7th grade knew that.

Will the USM department responsible for this uneducated person please stand up? Somebody has to take credit for it & I don't think there really are that many polymer science graduates running around...

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Andy

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Originally posted by: Mr. Fidelity

" Right, LVN, and the plural pronoun  'we'  is scattered all throughout the piece. I know all the history I need to know.  For example, I guess you are particularly happy about the SACS probation because it is your old depratment of Continuing Education that has caused the problem. I wonder what hand you have played in all these letters to the newspapers?"

While Rich Campbell as opinions editor may well have written this, he is speaking for the editorial board, which is made up of editors and several community members, thus the repeated use of "we" throughout.  No names are signed because it is understood to be from the editorial board.   

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LVN

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Originally posted by: Board Buddy

"Well, you know I'm a true blue friend because I liked you BEFORE I knew how influential you were!"


It's great to be powerful. I just explained to the MegaCats that I was influential and now I demand some respect, etc. etc. They looked suitably impressed, rolled over, and went back to their Power Naps.
Sic transit gloria mundi.

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Let Freedom Ring

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Originally posted by: Mr. Fidelity

" Right, LVN, and the plural pronoun  'we'  is scattered all throughout the piece. I know all the history I need to know.  For example, I guess you are particularly happy about the SACS probation because it is your old depratment of Continuing Education that has caused the problem. I wonder what hand you have played in all these letters to the newspapers?"


I suspect this is the same troll that was picking on LVN last week with those comments about her checking his spelling, grammer, etc. in a couple of posts.  I thought it was weird at the time, and now seeing this makes me think he's just an idot bully troll.  Oh well, I guess when they fear the end is nearing (as I dearly hope it is) they get unpleasant.


No Quarter!


 



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foot soldier

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Hey LVN, did Judge Cooley send you anything for Valentine's Day?
I sure do miss that guy (and his entourage).

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