In the not too distant past USM's Nursing program held a premier status among its peers within the state. I have not taught USM Nursing students for a few years, but when I did have them in class I was very impressed. The criteria for entering that program was higher than in most other undergraduate disciplines at USM. I recently came across some data that bothers me and which I hope is inaccurate. USM Nursing students have, traditionally, been highly competitive on the national examination nursing (NCLEX). I heard recently that around 2001 USM's NCLEX pass rate approached 82%, but that the 2004 data show the pass has dipped to less than 76%. If these data are accurate, this may be the lowest pass rate among all nursing programs in Mississipi and perhaps the lowest in two decades at USM. Can anybody confirm whether or not these data are correct? The on-again, off-again decision to move Nursing to the old Albertson's building is only one thing that has bothered me (Nursing in a remote former grocery store building?). It is my understanding that there has been a devastating attrition rate among senior faculty over the past couple of years. And three directors in three years! Also, there was the reorganization decision to remove independent status from that college. All of this within a two to three year period. And the beat goes on. Nursing has been a proud and respected discipline at USM. USM Nursing students have been stellar. I trust that the malignancy which seems to have invaded other areas at USM has not reached Nursing. If it has, however, the impact on the local community is coming to a hospital near you. USM Nursing should be nurtured. Their faculty deserve strong support. Please, somebody, tell me what I have heard is not true.
Yes, the pass rate has dropped to just above 75%. It has to be brought up next year or we will be in trouble with the board of nursing.
The students in last year's class were brought into nursing in 2002, and were taught among the administrative, organizational chaos and loss of resources. Are we having fun yet?
But the good news is that we are marshalling more resources and Our present Dean, Fos and Asst. Dean and Director Nugent are working very hard with Nursing Faculty to right things. I hope we have the stability this year in Nursing to pull our students back up.
quote: Originally posted by: Athena "Yes, the pass rate has dropped to just above 75%. It has to be brought up next year or we will be in trouble with the board of nursing."
How can next year's scores be brought up? Maybe we can outsource to Sylvan Learning Centers. I think they try to help students with raising their GRE, SAT, and other standardized test scores.
quote: Originally posted by: Athena "Yes, the pass rate has dropped to just above 75%. It has to be brought up next year or we will be in trouble with the board of nursing. "
Look on the bright side. If we lose accredidation, we don't have to even worry about our NCLEX pass rates because you have to have a degree from an accredited school to sit the exam, right?
quote: Originally posted by: another drop in the bucket " Look on the bright side. If we lose accredidation, we don't have to even worry about our NCLEX pass rates because you have to have a degree from an accredited school to sit the exam, right?"
Hey, bright side, if you are trying to cheer me up, quit! Nurses will cuss you out in a heart beat, you know
Athena is correct about the tumultuous situation at USM is showing up in student learning...in nursing the evidence is available, because nursing grads take national boards...unlike grads from some other disciplines...but I think you can safely bet that it's not only nursing students whose learning is being negatively affected by the constant turmoil created by the actions of your president.
One of the major indicators being assessed these days by the nursing accreditation organizations is board scores. The antics of your president, alone, are putting nursing's professional accreditation in jeopardy...the national board score plunge, reflective of the turmoil brought on by those antics, will make it even more evident to the professional accreditation body that nursing at USM needs to be closely monitored for a period of years...not a good thing!
What about the other disciplines whose grads take national or state boards of some kind - what have the trends been over the last two years? It is a very well known and well documented phenomenon in nursing that internal crisis is directly reflected in board scores. How about other disciplines? Particularly disciplines that have separate professional accreditation as nursing does?
USM's nursing programs have had extremely good reputations within the state and nationally for a long time. The current situation, with constant turmoil, changes in administration every year, early retirement of faculty, and loss of faculty to other institutions, doesn't bode well at all for the continued professional accreditation of USM's nursing programs. Nursing students and their parents have an excellent reputation for being politically active vis a vis university administrations - now's the time for action!
Amy, nursing in Mississippi is regulated by IHL. (This is a good news, bad news post). Only in New York state and Mississippi is this the structure. Boards of Nursing regulate nursing education in all other states. Deans and Directors Council at IHL along with a staff member (Dr. Mary Ware, formerly at William Carey SON) monitor schools of nursing for compliance with STATE accreditation and NCLEX scores. Schools only have to be accredited with the State for their graduates to sit for NCLEX. National accreditation (NLN or CCNE) is voluntary but we are very proud that all of our schools of nursing (adn and bsn) are nationally accredited. If a SON falls belox 74 per cent on NCLEX (RN test), they are put on probationary status (State). USM has been declining since 2002, for 2004 our rate was 74.8% pass for first time examinees. We have one more year to pull it up. EVeryone should be VERY concerned, but the faculty and adminstration have failed to get anyone's attention, including Mary Ware's or previous Commisioner or IHL Board members (shocking isn't it?). NCLEX scores are just one of the many indicators of our serious problems in this very fine College of Nursing past. But it is an indicator that the public perhaps identify with. I don't know. We have a fine faculty and good administrators, always have. And we have excellent students, the pick of the crop. WE have twice as many students who qualify who apply, our pool of applicants is most likely the best on campus, that has NOT changed. Our faculty work more, have higher loads and are the most dedicated, competent,caring people you will find anywhere. But there are limits to what students and faculty can endure and I fear we are there.
We are exhausted but very concerned for our community. Like Joni Mitchell says, "you don't know what you got, till its gone." WIth nurses, our community will suffer so much as our school declines. WE have the largest school in the State (go to the URL below and you will see the numbers of students and graduates) and have graduated more students than any other SON historically. When we falter, everyone in the State, but especially our community will feel it directly....eventually. And this isn't being dramatic or crying wolf. Do the math and read other communities' stories of similar fates. A sad tale and one that we know all too well.
We have had three directors/deans/cnas (who knows what the next title will be) in three years, senior faculty have left in droves. We have eight tenured professors left for all campuses. GO to the IHL web site for nursing, excellent analsyses for student/faculty ratios (we are the highest), NCLEX scores for last several years up to 2003 for all schools in Miss, and other very good data sources. WE wonder why no one seems to care either. But no one cares (relatively speaking) that all USM aculty are being beaten up on a daily basis at USM, why would we be any different? I know that there are good people out there who are silent; for the life of me I do not know what will cause them to stand up and let their voices be heard.
and you will see link to NCLEX scores and the other measures of quality also.
Maybe all programs, including nursing will finally get someone's attention THIS week. I haven't given up yet. SIster Harkins would have NEVER given up! After all, COLLEGE of nursing is still on the east side of our building. Perhaps Kevin Walters will pick up on this and run a story.
Maybe it's time for some caring MD's to start writing letters and making phone calls. Some of these nursing alums and faculty can surely make some contacts -- harking back to earlier posts that it's time for the people you serve to come to your aid.
quote: Originally posted by: Out-sorcerer "How can next year's scores be brought up? Maybe we can outsource to Sylvan Learning Centers. I think they try to help students with raising their GRE, SAT, and other standardized test scores. "
I think you might consider out-sorcering to the nearest community college (See the link to 10-year pass rates posted by Ordered to Care.)
How is USM going to survive all of this? Maybe the university could withstand one or two isolated major problems, but it now appears that the academic malignency has spread. It now extends from HWY 49 to McDonalds, from Hardy Street to Fourth Avenue. The NURSING data are very troubling. The ruthless manner with which a couple of COAL faculty were treated is scary. BUSINESS has taken a very bit hit which is well documented on this message board and in the media. EDUCATION/PSYCHOLOGY, including but limited to LIBRARY, has not escaped unharmed. Even COST, and the strange thing that happened in Physics in particular, have serious implications. And the shabby manner which which the GULF PARKCAMPUS has been treated defies belief. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? It's difficult to determine the locus of that program at any given time. The malignency continues to grow and expand. It's difficult to determine what which organ will be invaded next. It could have been stopped if the IHL had relied on academic professionals rather than on amateurs. Early emergency surgery could have stopped the invasion. The manner with which the IHL has dealt with USM is worse than a placebo.
quote: Originally posted by: Ordered to Care "Amy, nursing in Mississippi is regulated by IHL. (This is a good news, bad news post). Only in New York state and Mississippi is this the structure. Boards of Nursing regulate nursing education in all other states. Deans and Directors Council at IHL along with a staff member (Dr. Mary Ware, formerly at William Carey SON) monitor schools of nursing for compliance with STATE accreditation and NCLEX scores. Schools only have to be accredited with the State for their graduates to sit for NCLEX. National accreditation (NLN or CCNE) is voluntary but we are very proud that all of our schools of nursing (adn and bsn) are nationally accredited. If a SON falls belox 74 per cent on NCLEX (RN test), they are put on probationary status (State). USM has been declining since 2002, for 2004 our rate was 74.8% pass for first time examinees. We have one more year to pull it up. EVeryone should be VERY concerned, but the faculty and adminstration have failed to get anyone's attention, including Mary Ware's or previous Commisioner or IHL Board members (shocking isn't it?). NCLEX scores are just one of the many indicators of our serious problems in this very fine College of Nursing past. But it is an indicator that the public perhaps identify with. I don't know. We have a fine faculty and good administrators, always have. And we have excellent students, the pick of the crop. WE have twice as many students who qualify who apply, our pool of applicants is most likely the best on campus, that has NOT changed. Our faculty work more, have higher loads and are the most dedicated, competent,caring people you will find anywhere. But there are limits to what students and faculty can endure and I fear we are there. We are exhausted but very concerned for our community. Like Joni Mitchell says, "you don't know what you got, till its gone." WIth nurses, our community will suffer so much as our school declines. WE have the largest school in the State (go to the URL below and you will see the numbers of students and graduates) and have graduated more students than any other SON historically. When we falter, everyone in the State, but especially our community will feel it directly....eventually. And this isn't being dramatic or crying wolf. Do the math and read other communities' stories of similar fates. A sad tale and one that we know all too well. We have had three directors/deans/cnas (who knows what the next title will be) in three years, senior faculty have left in droves. We have eight tenured professors left for all campuses. GO to the IHL web site for nursing, excellent analsyses for student/faculty ratios (we are the highest), NCLEX scores for last several years up to 2003 for all schools in Miss, and other very good data sources. WE wonder why no one seems to care either. But no one cares (relatively speaking) that all USM aculty are being beaten up on a daily basis at USM, why would we be any different? I know that there are good people out there who are silent; for the life of me I do not know what will cause them to stand up and let their voices be heard. Thanks for caring. At least someone is listening. GO to IHL web site: http://www.nursingms.org/annual_reports.htm and you will see link to NCLEX scores and the other measures of quality also. Maybe all programs, including nursing will finally get someone's attention THIS week. I haven't given up yet. SIster Harkins would have NEVER given up! After all, COLLEGE of nursing is still on the east side of our building. Perhaps Kevin Walters will pick up on this and run a story. "
Our colleagues in AD schools do have the advantage of higher NCLEX pass rates. That is the major focus of their program: to meet the NCLEX test requirements.
However, the BSN graduate takes many more courses in Leadership, Research, Professional responsibilities that advantage them in their career. It also advantages patients, as more BSN's in hospitals = lower mortality rates, fewer errors, more $$ efficiently run units, lower health costs.
Other BSN schools I taught at had NCLEX pass rates higher or equal to AD programs, but this is not the usual case. For USM SON, the chaos and loss of resources and experienced faculty is our aggravating disease factor.
But, with some resources and stability in the administrative arena, USM SON should be able to improve our NCLEX pass rate in the next couple of years (We should have more faculty and lower clinical instructor to student ratios), and still continue to produce the nurses who think critically and know how to modify and work within health care systems to the advantage of the patient, family and community.
What is happening on Campus is awful all round. But each of our depts and schools HAS to pull it together so that if USM survives, we can continue our great USM Legacy.
This sentence is from an Associated Press article I read today:
"Colleges should better measure and report their students' progress, Education Secretary Margaret Spellings said Monday."
Nursing traks its students progress quite well, and the NCLEX examination is quite a good outcome measure. It sort of serves as an exit examination. Some departments here possibly require an exit examination, but not many do. They have to rely primarily on gut level feelings. Nursing, on the other hand, has hard quantitative data. Education Secretary Margaret Sellings is suggesting that the policies in place at lower levels be applied to colleges. If this comes to fruition, Nursing is well ahead of the pack.
please translate: what is "kick" and what is "no quarter"? Thank you for helping our school of nursing. We have great students who really want to be great nurses. We also have great teachers but every semester there are fewer of them. Can anyone help us?
kick means that someone wants the thread to go back to the top
no quarter is from a quotation by William Lloyd Garrison:
"With reasonable men I will reason, with humane me I will plead; but to tyrants I will give no quarter, nor waste arguements, where they will certainly be lost."
We tell this to new people all the time. It's always worth repeating. Look at some posts from the old Fire Shelby board, and get a sense of what we're about.
quote: Originally posted by: USM Sympathizer ""Kick" is just something to type to kick the thread to the top of the page "No quarter" = no backing down, no giving in."
Adding to USM Sympathizer post:
"With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plead; but to tyrants I will give no quarter, nor waste arguments, where they will certainly be lost"-William Lloyd Garrison
BTW, Nursing Student, some of you are the best students we have at USM. Study hard because we depend on you someday to save a life.
I have heard that the problems in nursing were discussed at the College of Health curriculum meeting this week. Hopefully more information will come to light. Ifany of you know more, please post.
quote: Originally posted by: LVN "USM Symathizer beat me to it, because I had to go find my t-shirt to copy the quotation!! Could somebody do a pinned post we can send folks to??"
The time is now to get information about the school of nursing to the public and to IHL. Also need to correct a previous post. IHL Standards for Schools of Nursing require that programs in Mississippi maintain a 75% pass rate on NCLEX each year not 74% as was posted. USM had a 74.8% for 2004. A School of Nursing has one year to pull that up or be put on probation (state). Kevin Walters has the information on NCLEX. Wouldn't hurt if others on this strand would email him and encourage a bit of investigative journalism. (See previous posts for more background on USM nursing school). He needs to look into the entire program and effects of the horrendous 2003 reorganization (college to school, firing of Dean Farrell, bogus new building deal, mass exodus of qualified faculty, stripping of school's resources while requiring same number of admissions, etc) in addition to falling NCLEX scores. Here are important email links:
Ricki R. Garrett (formerly member of Board of Trustees) Executive Director rgarrett@msnurses.org
We need to get the public's attention NOW, like yesterday. This week. Wonder what Hattiesburg and surrounding communities would be like without an outstanding SON the size of USM? We all might get a chance to find out if this train wreck continues for a year or two more. Remember, we are not only the LARGEST in the state (BSN and MSN) but have also graduated the most nurses of all the nursing schools in the State, in spite of the fact that UMC is the oldest. Our national accreditation is already on the line, now our State is on the line. Without State accreditation, our graduates CANNOT sit for the NCLEX (RN) exam. We are not being dramatic nor crying WOLF. We simply cannot afford to get "punished" again as we did from the nursing student demonstration which occurred right after the reorganization two years ago; we are still smarting from that "freedom of expression". Our SON has a distinguished and honorable history, fine faculty and outstanding graduates. We desperately need others to act as our advocates, to be our voices--this is one area where everyone has a stake, presuming everyone cares about being healthy and would like to stay that way. Have you been to an ER lately and had to wait? Pretty scary NOW. If you can help, thanks so much!